kallend 2,027 #1 July 31, 2017 Sheriff Joe Arpaio GUILTY of criminal contempt: www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-joe-arpaio-verdict-20170706-story.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faicon9493 141 #2 August 17, 2017 Trump floats the idea of a possible pardon. And the message in this is...........? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,995 #3 August 17, 2017 >Trump floats the idea of a possible pardon. And the message in this is...........? That the Deplorables have a new champion. Nazis, white supremacists, racists, anti-immigrant types, even Russian agents and spies - are all welcome in the New America. Even Stormfront, David Duke and Richard Spencer are thanking him for his support now. Come to think of it we should probably get around to updating that loser poem at the base of the Statue of Liberty to better reflect the New America. "Keep, foreign lands, your peoples!" cries she With silent lips. "But give me your whites, your bigots, your spies, Your wealthy gentry yearning to oppress, all those who hate the wretched masses of our teeming shores. Send these, thy followers of fascism and division, I lift my lamp beside Trump's golden throne!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #4 August 25, 2017 Faicon9493Trump floats the idea of a possible pardon. And the message in this is...........? The message is that, once again, Trump doesn't understand what he can and cannot do, and/or doesn't understand the words he uses. Arpaio would have to apply for the pardon at least 5 years after being released after serving his time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #5 August 25, 2017 Yet the White House reported today that the pardon is ready for Trump to sign if he prefers to. The level of idiotic incompetency is laughable, except that is not funny in any way. Thankfully, the Russian noose is tightening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 362 #6 August 25, 2017 headoverheels***Trump floats the idea of a possible pardon. And the message in this is...........? The message is that, once again, Trump doesn't understand what he can and cannot do, and/or doesn't understand the words he uses. Arpaio would have to apply for the pardon at least 5 years after being released after serving his time.However he could commute any jail time Arpaio receives. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #7 August 25, 2017 GeorgiaDon******Trump floats the idea of a possible pardon. And the message in this is...........? The message is that, once again, Trump doesn't understand what he can and cannot do, and/or doesn't understand the words he uses. Arpaio would have to apply for the pardon at least 5 years after being released after serving his time.However he could commute any jail time Arpaio receives. Don Thus my comment about him not understanding the words that he uses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,198 #8 August 25, 2017 QuoteThus my comment about him not understanding the words that he uses. Pay no attention to what he says. You have to listen to what he means. As scary as that is.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,497 #9 August 25, 2017 headoverheels***Trump floats the idea of a possible pardon. And the message in this is...........? The message is that, once again, Trump doesn't understand what he can and cannot do, and/or doesn't understand the words he uses. Arpaio would have to apply for the pardon at least 5 years after being released after serving his time. Why is that? As far as I was aware the power of the President to pardon offenders at any time after the offence took place (even before they are indicted, let alone tried, convicted and time served) was absolute.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #10 August 25, 2017 jakee******Trump floats the idea of a possible pardon. And the message in this is...........? The message is that, once again, Trump doesn't understand what he can and cannot do, and/or doesn't understand the words he uses. Arpaio would have to apply for the pardon at least 5 years after being released after serving his time. Why is that? As far as I was aware the power of the President to pardon offenders at any time after the offence took place (even before they are indicted, let alone tried, convicted and time served) was absolute. Nixon was blanket-pardoned by Ford prior to any formal charges being filed. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon (ETA source link) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #11 August 26, 2017 President Trump Pardons Former Sheriff Joe Arpaio https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-pardon-arpaio/537729/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phillbo 11 #12 August 26, 2017 I just want the media hound Arpaio to fade away. Sick of hearing him and about him. The Sheriffs department is much better off under the new leadership. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #13 August 26, 2017 Judges across the country should be livid. Between this, North Korea launching multiples today, the hurricane being largely ignored, and Gorka's departure.......and dumb ass Trump takes off for the weekend. AGAIN. Never have I seen this level of insanity in our gooberment. We're fucked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #14 August 26, 2017 normiss Judges across the country should be livid. Between this, North Korea launching multiples today, the hurricane being largely ignored, and Gorka's departure.......and dumb ass Trump takes off for the weekend. AGAIN. Never have I seen this level of insanity in our gooberment. We're fucked. Well, I'm reading that all 3 missiles failed, and with Gorka out, we are down to just one Nazi in the WH, so that doesn't seem so bad."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #15 August 26, 2017 aphid Nixon was blanket-pardoned by Ford prior to any formal charges being filed. With more careful reading, it seems that the 5 year wait is only if the criminal is going to apply for a pardon. The president can go ahead on his own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #16 August 26, 2017 Personally I would hope they did not in fact "fail". 😉 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #17 August 26, 2017 normiss Personally I would hope they did not in fact "fail". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Phil1111 1,149 #18 August 26, 2017 trump is just setting the bar low so that when the pardons are issued for Ivanka, Don Jr., etc. Nobody will get too upset! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,497 #19 August 26, 2017 headoverheels*** Nixon was blanket-pardoned by Ford prior to any formal charges being filed. With more careful reading, it seems that the 5 year wait is only if the criminal is going to apply for a pardon. The president can go ahead on his own. That's just the rules for a formal petition through the DoJ. Alternatively they could just write to Donald on Twitter whenever they wanted.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #20 August 26, 2017 Phil1111trump is just setting the bar low so that when the pardons are issued for Ivanka, Don Jr., etc. Nobody will get too upset! This has been speculation for quite awhile.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fasted3 0 #21 August 26, 2017 Faicon9493Trump floats the idea of a possible pardon. And the message in this is...........? That Trump condones ignoring the rule of law if it aligns with his agenda. Trump condones racism if it aligns with his (racist,) agenda. The message to his supporters is to keep the faith. To everybody else, fuck you, you're not a 'real' American anyway. That's my take on it.But what do I know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DirtyChai 0 #22 August 27, 2017 fasted3ignoring the rule of law That's pretty much the end result of pardons/commutations, right? Hundreds are given throughout every presidency, (some more than others) and everyone always finds a few to bitch about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #23 August 27, 2017 DirtyChai***ignoring the rule of law That's pretty much the end result of pardons/commutations, right? Hundreds are given throughout every presidency, (some more than others) and everyone always finds a few to bitch about. By far most are given for compassionate reasons; a person so old they'd otherwise die in jail for some goofy minor crime where sentencing went awry. Stuff like that. Hell, even GWB didn't pardon Scooter Libby, he simply commuted it after awhile. So Libby is still a convicted felon. http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/02/libby.sentence/ No. This IS different. The crime here was disobeying a court order. It was for six months. Trump blatantly pardoned as a political favor and as a sign to his "team" they don't have to cooperate in the FBI Russia probe because if they get tossed in jail, he'll pardon them too.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #24 August 28, 2017 quade***trump is just setting the bar low so that when the pardons are issued for Ivanka, Don Jr., etc. Nobody will get too upset! This has been speculation for quite awhile. It may hurt them quite a bit to accept the pardon. I know you know this, but accepting the pardon is an admission of guilt and can be used in civil court. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #25 August 28, 2017 SkyDekker It may hurt them quite a bit to accept the pardon. I know you know this, but accepting the pardon is an admission of guilt and can be used in civil court. I heard that exact point on a radio interview with a legal expert yesterday."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Phil1111 1,149 #18 August 26, 2017 trump is just setting the bar low so that when the pardons are issued for Ivanka, Don Jr., etc. Nobody will get too upset! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,497 #19 August 26, 2017 headoverheels*** Nixon was blanket-pardoned by Ford prior to any formal charges being filed. With more careful reading, it seems that the 5 year wait is only if the criminal is going to apply for a pardon. The president can go ahead on his own. That's just the rules for a formal petition through the DoJ. Alternatively they could just write to Donald on Twitter whenever they wanted.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20 August 26, 2017 Phil1111trump is just setting the bar low so that when the pardons are issued for Ivanka, Don Jr., etc. Nobody will get too upset! This has been speculation for quite awhile.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasted3 0 #21 August 26, 2017 Faicon9493Trump floats the idea of a possible pardon. And the message in this is...........? That Trump condones ignoring the rule of law if it aligns with his agenda. Trump condones racism if it aligns with his (racist,) agenda. The message to his supporters is to keep the faith. To everybody else, fuck you, you're not a 'real' American anyway. That's my take on it.But what do I know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyChai 0 #22 August 27, 2017 fasted3ignoring the rule of law That's pretty much the end result of pardons/commutations, right? Hundreds are given throughout every presidency, (some more than others) and everyone always finds a few to bitch about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #23 August 27, 2017 DirtyChai***ignoring the rule of law That's pretty much the end result of pardons/commutations, right? Hundreds are given throughout every presidency, (some more than others) and everyone always finds a few to bitch about. By far most are given for compassionate reasons; a person so old they'd otherwise die in jail for some goofy minor crime where sentencing went awry. Stuff like that. Hell, even GWB didn't pardon Scooter Libby, he simply commuted it after awhile. So Libby is still a convicted felon. http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/02/libby.sentence/ No. This IS different. The crime here was disobeying a court order. It was for six months. Trump blatantly pardoned as a political favor and as a sign to his "team" they don't have to cooperate in the FBI Russia probe because if they get tossed in jail, he'll pardon them too.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #24 August 28, 2017 quade***trump is just setting the bar low so that when the pardons are issued for Ivanka, Don Jr., etc. Nobody will get too upset! This has been speculation for quite awhile. It may hurt them quite a bit to accept the pardon. I know you know this, but accepting the pardon is an admission of guilt and can be used in civil court. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #25 August 28, 2017 SkyDekker It may hurt them quite a bit to accept the pardon. I know you know this, but accepting the pardon is an admission of guilt and can be used in civil court. I heard that exact point on a radio interview with a legal expert yesterday."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
