Moral relativity

[normiss 800]

Not accepting what you say is not total rejection, more so when stated as what you said was wrong - I simply disagree with it in it's entirety. Disagreements aren't anger to most of us Ron, sorry that's your interpretation.

I never wish hate on anyone. Again, disagreeing with what you say doesn't equate anger and hate, as they do in your mind.

It all leads to the repetitive comments you put forth in this forum. The majority of folks here disagree with you. To me, it's mostly due to you putting others down, the hate you spew, that you're better than the rest of the planet, and the nonsense in that book you interpret oddly.

I could discuss life and current events, but you insist only on religious nonsense and angry politics.

I'm more focused on loving everyone and making new friends along the path of this amazing adventure. So far, it's been an outstanding ride!

HAve a good night Ron, I have a hot date!

[Phil1111 1,149]

I don't know how hate got into the equation. Most of the discourse here is civil. Few US citizens go to protests and fewer still ever see violence at those protests.

By and large in the US and most western democracies there is little to get so upset by the other side to "hate". When the pendulum of conservatism or liberalism gets too far in one direction. There is inevitably a swing in the other sooner or later. Usually the next election.

While I despise trump, there are many republicans that I admire and look up to. McCain and Graham being two. Not that I agree with everything they say, or stand for. Just most.

[C-Jam 0]

kallend

Suggest you ask the individual who. . .

I'm asking YOU since you're the one that posted the quote as if you actually knew something about it.

key words there, "as" and "if"

[jakee 1,489]

RonD1120

A deep hatred, is that more than just hatred?

A) Pretty sure that's what adjectives are for.

B) You said it, you should know.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,027]

C-Jam

***Suggest you ask the individual who. . .

I'm asking YOU since you're the one that posted the quote as if you actually knew something about it.

key words there, "as" and "if"

I'm not the one who pretends to have a direct line to Jesus. I simply take the Sermon on the Mount at its face value. I don't try to re-interpret it to meant something other than what it says.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

kallend

******Suggest you ask the individual who. . .

I'm asking YOU since you're the one that posted the quote as if you actually knew something about it.

key words there, "as" and "if"

I'm not the one who pretends to have a direct line to Jesus. I simply take the Sermon on the Mount at its face value. I don't try to re-interpret it to meant something other than what it says.

Professor, you also aren't the one who starts a new account and jumps into the conversation, as if someone was already participating...

And was banned.

Hmmm...

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[normiss 800]

Time to change socks.
Again.
And again.
And again.


I really feel for the mods that have to deal with shit every single time.

[normiss 800]

Had this same discussion with a stranger we met in a bar tonight.
It's just unreal that we seem to be struggling having normal conversations these days. Simply because some people refuse to accept differing opinions.
I have spent my life with different opinions and ha d no issues.
We're all still humans sharing this planet, country, cities, communities.
Our survival depends on cooperative teamwork not refusing it because of some silly reason the opposing view refuses to tolerate.

[AlanS 1]

I wonder if American Pragmatism, the thing that once made us a great and exceptional country is withering away and dying. It still lives in some place in this country, but in Washington DC and in our political debates it is all but dead.

Quote

Pragmatism is a philosophical tradition that began in the United States around 1870. Its origins are often attributed to the philosophers William James, John Dewey, and Charles Sanders Peirce.

Quote

Pragmatism considers thought an instrument or tool for prediction, problem solving and action, ...

From a general point of view, for William James, something is true only insofar as it works.

Pragmatists contend that most philosophical topics—such as the nature of knowledge, language, concepts, meaning, belief, and science—are all best viewed in terms of their practical uses and successes. The philosophy of pragmatism "emphasizes the practical application of ideas by acting on them to actually test them in human experiences".[4] Pragmatism focuses on a "changing universe rather than an unchanging one as the Idealists, Realists and Thomists had claimed".

[tkhayes 348]

Quote

The question for me becomes, why do you foreigners stalk American thought with the objective of telling us we are wrong, stupid or blind.

Don't be so smug Ron... to claim that your thought is 'American thought' is simply inane.

[wmw999 2,447]

One issue with a purely pragmatic approach is the neglect of differing results when they don't match the desired outcome ("well those people don't matter because...."). Scientific experiments (which a pragmatic approach really is in some form) only work when you define the population being experimented on pretty well.

I'm not sure that's valid when the population is as large and heterogeneous as the US is, unless the pragmatist is intellectually honest enough to understand that just because something works for him or her doesn't mean it'll work for others.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Quote

I have never encountered these discussions anywhere in life except in this forum.

That's what happens when you surround yourself with likeminded people only.

Quote

The question for me becomes, why do you foreigners stalk American thought with the objective of telling us we are wrong, stupid or blind.

That's the result of Americans loudly boasting how their country, their government, their founding fathers, their flag etc is the best in the world and everybody should be like them.

All you want to do is boast and yammer without getting challenged.

Quote

In my mind it would be the same as if I spied on my neighbor and then told him what he and his wife were doing inside their house was incorrect and dumb.

After your neighbour has been telling you for decades how they are so much more superior to you.

Quote

I offer a suggestion, not so much to you but the others. Hold off and let those that live here speak first then offer your enlightened point of view rather than being the first with condemnation, disparagement or anger.

So you mean that you post first and then people react to it?

like this:

Quote

What I am aware of is this, the majority of my posts are first attacked

[RonD1120 62]

Thank you, that seemed fairly accurate.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

I agree. When words are taken out of context the perspective changes.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[kallend 2,027]

RonD1120

In my mind it would be the same as if I spied on my neighbor and then told him what he and his wife were doing inside their house was incorrect and dumb.

You don't seem to have a problem telling same sex couples that what they do in private is wrong and sinful.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[RonD1120 62]

kallend

***

In my mind it would be the same as if I spied on my neighbor and then told him what he and his wife were doing inside their house was incorrect and dumb.

You don't seem to have a problem telling same sex couples that what they do in private is wrong and sinful.

Wrong is relative, but it is sin. Just lust of the flesh.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 2,991]

>Wrong is relative . . .

Yep. Moral relativity, the favorite of the evangelical right.

>but it is sin. Just lust of the flesh.

Well, there's your answer then. Foreigners "stalk" American thought with the objective of telling us we are wrong, stupid or blind for the same reason you "stalk" gays with the objective of telling them that they are wrong, sinful or blind.

[Lawndarter 3]

RonD1120

The question for me becomes, why do you foreigners stalk American thought with the objective of telling us we are wrong, stupid or blind.

Easy answer for this one, too. When you elect insane people who are totally unqualified for public office, like Donald Trump, all of us are also impacted.

[coreceeo 0]

SkyDekker

That's what happens when you surround yourself with likeminded people only.

And there's nothing wrong with that. Blacks, Mexicans and Arabs do it all the time! Who are you to force dissemination? Is there a problem with crime rates or something?

Quote

All you want to do is boast and yammer without getting challenged.

If you have a problem with how we run the world, then by all means, challenge us - that is if you're not too busy smoking pot and watching "reruns" of Strange Brew. . .

Quote

After your neighbour has been telling you for decades how they are so much more superior to you.

Well, after years of smoking pot and watching "reruns" of Strange Brew, all you've contributed to this country was Justin Bieber along with all the other tons of trash that supplies our landfills.

Just face it, we are superior to you. Hell, we didn't even bring it up until you started being a dick about it. . .

[wmw999 2,447]

Minorities do it because the ruling party, as it were, doesn't allow them full access, with things like "they just don't fit in." Enough history of that, and they do, in fact, start to form their own social structure.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Quote

all you've contributed to this country was Justin Bieber along with all the other tons of trash that supplies our landfills.

You get what you are worth I guess.

Quote

And there's nothing wrong with that.

I like diversity and challenge. I understand some people are not up to that. It takes the ability to look beyond just your own self interest, something inherently impossible for a Christian. They only do things so they themselves can get into heaven. All about me, me, me. No wonder so many Americans identify as Christian.

Quote

Just face it, we are superior to you.

If that is how you need to feel to make it through the day without reverting back to being an alcoholic junkie, I am fine with that.

[yoink 321]

RonD1120

The question for me becomes, why do you foreigners stalk American thought with the objective of telling us we are wrong, stupid or blind.

Ron, if you choose to only pay attention to your tiny part of the world then you'll obviously think that anyone who provides opinions about your particular corner is meddling in things that don't concern them.

The reality is that it's perfectly reasonable to live in one location yet be fully aware of actions and consequences of what's going on in another thanks to the availability of news from around the world, and to form opinions that are just as valid as yours as a result. Just because you choose not to do that doesn't mean that people who do are 'stalking' Americans.

I also have opinions on what's happening in the UK despite not living there, as well as various other countries around the world. I'm not stalking them, either.

Quote

Kallend falls in the category of a Brit in my order of nationalities.

And that's just funny - you'll actually alter someone's nationality to make it fit your weird world-view, because saying 'I also get criticized by Americans' would completely invalidate your entire point.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

yoink

***

Kallend falls in the category of a Brit in my order of nationalities.

And that's just funny - you'll actually alter someone's nationality to make it fit your weird world-view, because saying 'I also get criticized by Americans' would completely invalidate your entire point.

Of course, lots of Americans criticize him. But they are "Northerners" or "Californians" or what ever label he chooses to apply to convince himself that those opinions don't matter.

And for the record, Professor Kallend is a naturalized American citizen. And has been for a long time.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Phil1111 1,149]

wolfriverjoe

******

Kallend falls in the category of a Brit in my order of nationalities.

And that's just funny - you'll actually alter someone's nationality to make it fit your weird world-view, because saying 'I also get criticized by Americans' would completely invalidate your entire point.

Of course, lots of Americans criticize him. But they are "Northerners" or "Californians" or what ever label he chooses to apply to convince himself that those opinions don't matter.

And for the record, Professor Kallend is a naturalized American citizen. And has been for a long time.

Oh hell, throw him overboard.

When it concerns political discourse and facts. If your arguments, points and counterpoints are poorly constructed. Choose a convenient label to disparage, hate and label.

Or use feelings.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Phil1111

*********

Kallend falls in the category of a Brit in my order of nationalities.

And that's just funny - you'll actually alter someone's nationality to make it fit your weird world-view, because saying 'I also get criticized by Americans' would completely invalidate your entire point.

Of course, lots of Americans criticize him. But they are "Northerners" or "Californians" or what ever label he chooses to apply to convince himself that those opinions don't matter.

And for the record, Professor Kallend is a naturalized American citizen. And has been for a long time.

Oh hell, throw him overboard.

When it concerns political discourse and facts. If your arguments, points and counterpoints are poorly constructed. Choose a convenient label to disparage, hate and label.

Or use feelings.

Or use beliefs.

Or call any news you don't agree with "Fake."

Or use an imaginary figure in the sky to justify whatever you want.
The fact that the written teachings of said figure contradict the majority of the things one says and does doesn't matter. Because it's all about one's "personal relationship" with this figure.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo