Is Trump Evil?

[jakee 1,489]

airdvr

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***As far as real vs. perceived threats; The list is a long one.

So... could ya use some examples?

Let's use a real simple one...the AAD.
Could ya use some examples that relate to Trump?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Not debating their effectiveness. Refusing to make a jump without one (not a long term series of jumps) is a perceived threat that jumping without an AAD is dangerous.

There are two sides to a threat or danger. The possibility of something happening and the severity of the outcome.

Jumping without an AAD is indeed significantly more dangerous than jumping with one. Not because the possibility of something changes, but because the severity of the outcome dramatically increases.

Whether the possibility of it happening is great enough to warrant concern is an individual decision, separate from that.

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If you have control over something then it's not a threat at all.

Bit of a silly statement since the situations where you have control over all variables are pretty much nil.

[DJL 235]

airdvr

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Here's a good list of the truly evil. Trump isn't even close.

http://emgn.com/entertainment/25-of-the-most-evil-people-the-world-has-ever-seen-the-things-they-did-are-absolutely-disgusting/

That's a list of the most evil people the world has seen. If Trump were on that list would you finally quit defending every move of his?

...only when you quit villainizing his every move.

So it doesn't matter to you if Trump were actually on that list as someone who committed horrendous acts, he's on your team so you're going to defend him just for the point of defending him.

And THAT is exactly how those people got on that list. They were terrible people in their upbringing, most were normal soldiers with unremarkable careers who were enabled by people like you.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[airdvr 210]

jakee

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***As far as real vs. perceived threats; The list is a long one.

So... could ya use some examples?

Let's use a real simple one...the AAD.
Could ya use some examples that relate to Trump?

I'd need to know what threat you think Trump brings.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[airdvr 210]

DJL

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Here's a good list of the truly evil. Trump isn't even close.

http://emgn.com/entertainment/25-of-the-most-evil-people-the-world-has-ever-seen-the-things-they-did-are-absolutely-disgusting/

That's a list of the most evil people the world has seen. If Trump were on that list would you finally quit defending every move of his?

...only when you quit villainizing his every move.

So it doesn't matter to you if Trump were actually on that list as someone who committed horrendous acts, he's on your team so you're going to defend him just for the point of defending him.

And THAT is exactly how those people got on that list. They were terrible people in their upbringing, most were normal soldiers with unremarkable careers who were enabled by people like you.

Perhaps we have a different definition of horrendous. What "horrendous" acts has he committed?

Please don't dent the planet.

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[kallend 2,026]

airdvr

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Here's a good list of the truly evil. Trump isn't even close.

http://emgn.com/entertainment/25-of-the-most-evil-people-the-world-has-ever-seen-the-things-they-did-are-absolutely-disgusting/

That's a list of the most evil people the world has seen. If Trump were on that list would you finally quit defending every move of his?

...only when you quit villainizing his every move.

So it doesn't matter to you if Trump were actually on that list as someone who committed horrendous acts, he's on your team so you're going to defend him just for the point of defending him.

And THAT is exactly how those people got on that list. They were terrible people in their upbringing, most were normal soldiers with unremarkable careers who were enabled by people like you.

Perhaps we have a different definition of horrendous. What "horrendous" acts has he committed?

Why does it have to be "horrendous" to be evil.

Deliberately harming others, even in a small way, is evil. Trump has done this, consistently, throughout his career.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

airdvr

Perhaps we have a different definition of horrendous. What "horrendous" acts has he committed?

I'd consider sexual assault to be pretty 'horrendous'.

While he's never been convicted or even charged, the numerous allegations and his own admissions add up to a pretty convincing overall narrative.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[airdvr 210]

kallend

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Here's a good list of the truly evil. Trump isn't even close.

http://emgn.com/entertainment/25-of-the-most-evil-people-the-world-has-ever-seen-the-things-they-did-are-absolutely-disgusting/

That's a list of the most evil people the world has seen. If Trump were on that list would you finally quit defending every move of his?

...only when you quit villainizing his every move.

So it doesn't matter to you if Trump were actually on that list as someone who committed horrendous acts, he's on your team so you're going to defend him just for the point of defending him.

And THAT is exactly how those people got on that list. They were terrible people in their upbringing, most were normal soldiers with unremarkable careers who were enabled by people like you.

Perhaps we have a different definition of horrendous. What "horrendous" acts has he committed?

Why does it have to be "horrendous" to be evil.

Deliberately harming others, even in a small way, is evil. Trump has done this, consistently, throughout his career.

I'm not the one using the horrendous tag.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[airdvr 210]

wolfriverjoe

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Perhaps we have a different definition of horrendous. What "horrendous" acts has he committed?

I'd consider sexual assault to be pretty 'horrendous'.

While he's never been convicted or even charged, the numerous allegations and his own admissions add up to a pretty convincing overall narrative.

So Bill Clinton was also evil?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[DJL 235]

airdvr

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Perhaps we have a different definition of horrendous. What "horrendous" acts has he committed?

I'd consider sexual assault to be pretty 'horrendous'.

While he's never been convicted or even charged, the numerous allegations and his own admissions add up to a pretty convincing overall narrative.

So Bill Clinton was also evil?

Oh good, we're back at the "Bill Clinton did it too" thing. Sexual assault is evil. If Bill Clinton sexually assaulted someone then YES he is evil. I would like nothing more for the truth to come out in those cases because to me it does not matter if he's a member of the political party that I vote for or that I supported some of the things he did.

Back to you. Do you think it is wrong to sexually assault someone?

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[gowlerk 2,190]

Evil is hard to define, isn't it? One man's evil doer is another man's hero. My vote for most evil POTUS in history goes to Andrew Jackson for his illegal and immoral forced removal of American natives resulting in the trail of tears. Nowadays we call this "ethic cleansing". It borders on genocide.

Evil is as evil does.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[billvon 2,990]

>The threat of dying in a hook turn accident is completely mitigated by consciously not
> performing them.

Given that I've had two friends killed by a hook turn that they were not performing, that's not a great example. But I will grant that it is _almost_ completely mitigated by not performing them.

[billvon 2,990]

>So Bill Clinton was also evil?

1) Trump isn't evil
2) OK so he's evil but no one cares.
3) Clinton did it first.

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billvon

>The threat of dying in a hook turn accident is completely mitigated by consciously not
> performing them.

Given that I've had two friends killed by a hook turn that they were not performing, that's not a great example. But I will grant that it is _almost_ completely mitigated by not performing them.

If they're the two I'm thinking of, they weren't killed by the hook turn, they were killed from collision with jumpers performing them. A different issue.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[gowlerk 2,190]

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If they're the two I'm thinking of, they weren't killed by the hook turn, they were killed from collision with jumpers performing them. A different issue.

That's a little like saying the victims on the ground did not die in the plane crash because they were not on the plane.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

airdvr

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Perhaps we have a different definition of horrendous. What "horrendous" acts has he committed?

I'd consider sexual assault to be pretty 'horrendous'.

While he's never been convicted or even charged, the numerous allegations and his own admissions add up to a pretty convincing overall narrative.

So Bill Clinton was also evil?

I don't recall accusations of sexual assault against Clinton.

Sexual harassment, yes. But not assault.

One is a crime, punishable by jail/prison time.
If Trump were an "ordinary citizen", he'd likely be behind bars for what he's done (and bragged that "they let you get away with it").

Clinton was simply facing civil suits for his behavior.

The false equivalency that Trump defenders resort to is pretty telling.

Edit to add:

After a bit of checking, there were two accusations of sexual assault against Bill Clinton. But there were some discrepancies in the stories, and they are nowhere near as pervasive or as convincing as those against Trump.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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gowlerk

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If they're the two I'm thinking of, they weren't killed by the hook turn, they were killed from collision with jumpers performing them. A different issue.

That's a little like saying the victims on the ground did not die in the plane crash because they were not on the plane.

No, it's like saying they didn't die of a high speed stall during a turn to final.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[AlanS 1]

airdvr

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Here's a good list of the truly evil. Trump isn't even close.

http://emgn.com/entertainment/25-of-the-most-evil-people-the-world-has-ever-seen-the-things-they-did-are-absolutely-disgusting/

Trump isn't even close.

If you want to talk about true evil, focus on ISIS and the Kim dynasty of North Korea

ISIS beheads anyone that isn't in agreement with their ideology. When ever they got hold of chemical weapons they have used them. They celebrated when a brain-washed teenage boy detonated a bomb at a concert full of teenagers. Totally deranged. They are right now in Yemen having their best college educated chemist creating device to sneak bombs past x-ray machines and might in next few years create and distribute these bombs to their followers. If they go hold of a nuclear bomb it is going off in the middle of the nearest western city they can transport it too.


Kim Jun-un killed his mentor and uncle with anti-aircraft guns. Used VX nerve agent the most toxic chemical weapon ever created to kill his own brother in the middle of a busy airport where it could have killed many more. He had killed people within his cliche for offenses as simple as falling asleep during a meeting, or simply speaking the truth instead of spewing out the sycophantic non-sense.

In the 90s the Kim dynasty let a famine kill 20% of its populate, and the rest eat bark and grass while the ruling family dinned on the best imported caviar in the world.

North Korea runs the most brutal internment camps that still currently exist in the world Read this book if you are curious.

https://www.amazon.com/Escape-Camp-14-Remarkable-Odyssey/dp/0143122916

North Korea now has nuclear weapons and might be able to make them small enough to fit on a missile with the range to hit Seattle. If they launch it today it is a 50/50 chance of us stopping it.

Those are the true evils we face in this world. Trump. Really? Not even close. Stop being a bunch of snowflakes.

[gowlerk 2,190]

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Those are the true evils we face in this world. Trump. Really? Not even close. Stop being a bunch of snowflakes.

You've done a good job of pointing out greater evils than Trump. Indeed, he is more of a dotard than a devil. Trumps has done some things that many would consider evil. Much more than most of us have. But overall his evil is small time...so far. Calling people snowflakes undercuts your point.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[billvon 2,990]

>Those are the true evils we face in this world. Trump. Really? Not even close.
>Stop being a bunch of snowflakes.

[hyperbolic drive engaged]
Hitler was much worse than anyone else. Kim Jon-Un? Not even close. People should stop being such fearful snowflakes.
[hyperbolic drive disengaged]

[airdvr 210]

DJL

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Perhaps we have a different definition of horrendous. What "horrendous" acts has he committed?

I'd consider sexual assault to be pretty 'horrendous'.

While he's never been convicted or even charged, the numerous allegations and his own admissions add up to a pretty convincing overall narrative.

So Bill Clinton was also evil?

Oh good, we're back at the "Bill Clinton did it too" thing. Sexual assault is evil. If Bill Clinton sexually assaulted someone then YES he is evil. I would like nothing more for the truth to come out in those cases because to me it does not matter if he's a member of the political party that I vote for or that I supported some of the things he did.

Back to you. Do you think it is wrong to sexually assault someone?

Absolutely it's wrong. I don't know whether it qualifies as evil.

e·vil
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adjective
1.
profoundly immoral and malevolent.
"his evil deeds"
synonyms: wicked, bad, wrong, immoral, sinful, foul, vile, dishonorable, corrupt, iniquitous, depraved, reprobate, villainous, nefarious, vicious, malicious; malevolent, sinister, demonic, devilish, diabolical, fiendish, dark; monstrous, shocking, despicable, atrocious, heinous, odious, contemptible, horrible, execrable; informallowdown, dirty
"an evil deed"

Please don't dent the planet.

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[jakee 1,489]

airdvr

I'd need to know what threat you think Trump brings.

You were the first person to mention threats. In fact if you recall (which I'm sure you do, you're just being difficult) I argued that Trump could theoretically be evil and not pose a threat to the country. Remember that? It was yesterday. Really not very long ago.

So, since you brought the concept of real vs perceived threats as they relate to Trump into this thread, I really thought you might have some idea about what those real vs perceived threats might be. Do you not?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,489]

AlanS

If you want to talk about true evil, focus on ISIS and the Kim dynasty of North Korea

ISIS beheads anyone that isn't in agreement with their ideology....

Kim Jun-un killed his mentor and uncle with anti-aircraft guns. Used VX nerve agent the most toxic chemical weapon ever created to kill his own brother in the middle of a busy airport where it could have killed many more. He had killed people within his cliche for offenses as simple as falling asleep during a meeting, or simply speaking the truth instead of spewing out the sycophantic non-sense.

That's simply a question of opportunity. The US is not a war torn failed state, nor is it a totalitarian dictatorship. The President's power has limits. Trump can't behead people, he can't execute family members, he can't use capital punishment against aides who displease him (good thing too, they'd be piled to the ceiling in the West Wing corridors!).

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In the 90s the Kim dynasty let a famine kill 20% of its populate, and the rest eat bark and grass while the ruling family dinned on the best imported caviar in the world.

North Korea now has nuclear weapons and might be able to make them small enough to fit on a missile with the range to hit Seattle. If they launch it today it is a 50/50 chance of us stopping it.

Those are the true evils we face in this world. Trump. Really? Not even close. Stop being a bunch of snowflakes.

Trump has said he is willing and ready to "totally destroy" North Korea. What percentage of their population would be killed if Trump launched an all out strike against them? Wouldn't that slaughter of innocents be evil? If the possibiity of NK launching a nuke against the US is evil, isn't the possibility of the US launching nukes against them evil?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[airdvr 210]

jakee

***I'd need to know what threat you think Trump brings.

You were the first person to mention threats. In fact if you recall (which I'm sure you do, you're just being difficult) I argued that Trump could theoretically be evil and not pose a threat to the country. Remember that? It was yesterday. Really not very long ago.

So, since you brought the concept of real vs perceived threats as they relate to Trump into this thread, I really thought you might have some idea about what those real vs perceived threats might be. Do you not?


I'm not saying Trump is evil. I'm saying many here can't tell the difference from a perceived threat vs. a real one. That Trump is evil is a perceived threat IMHO.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[jakee 1,489]

airdvr

******I'd need to know what threat you think Trump brings.

You were the first person to mention threats. In fact if you recall (which I'm sure you do, you're just being difficult) I argued that Trump could theoretically be evil and not pose a threat to the country. Remember that? It was yesterday. Really not very long ago.

So, since you brought the concept of real vs perceived threats as they relate to Trump into this thread, I really thought you might have some idea about what those real vs perceived threats might be. Do you not?


I'm not saying Trump is evil.
Yeah, I know. That's why I didn't so much as imply that's what you said.

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I'm saying many here can't tell the difference from a perceived threat vs. a real one.

Yeah, I know. That's why I'm asking you for some examples of the real threats and the percieved threats.

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That Trump is evil is a perceived threat IMHO.

What is an example of the specific perceived threats that result from Trump being evil? What is an example of a real threat of the same scale and seriousness as that perceived threat?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?