National Anthem Protest

[NewGuy2005 53]

quade

I'm sorry? What part of the NFL is in Revelations?

Everything is in Revelations, when you need it to be.

[jakee 1,489]

RonD1120

Whatever misguided adolescent message the NFL is trying to promote, it is not working. All they are doing is fueling the fire and making more and more folks angry.

Hmm. The message 'the NFL' is trying to promote is that there is still a evel of institutinal racism in society that needs to be acknowledged and tackled. The message the angry people are promoting is that a piece of coloured cloth is the most important thing in the world.

Interesting which of those you view as adolescent.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[nolhtairt 0]

I think the #Takeaknee started with Tonya Harding... Just saying...

[EvilGenius 0]

Egypt’s education minister has ordered students to respect the Egyptian flag or risk jail time.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/25/egyptian-students-respect-flag-risk-prison

This flag stuff is all the rage for dictators perhaps Trump picked up a few ideas from Sisi when he visited!

[quade 4]

Iago

******because Trump can't go a day without making bold statements on something. (It's how he measures that he's managing stuff).

Meanwhile, in Puerto Rico an entire US territory is devastated and little is being done.
There's quite a bit being done in PR and it started since before the hurricane even landed.

I think your news source for this is probably misaligned with reality.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[kallend 2,026]

normiss

It's a social injustice protest, not a National Anthem protest.
A fully protected constitutional right.
Seems every owner besides Jerry Jones (surprise? LOL) supports it.

When I signed up for the Navy, I raised my right hand and swore to protect those rights. I still do.

When I was ROTC faculty liaison for 27 years I attended scores of commissioning ceremonies. I never once heard anyone swear to defend a flag or a song. Every one swore an oath to defend the Constitution.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[quade 4]

Iago

************because Trump can't go a day without making bold statements on something. (It's how he measures that he's managing stuff).

Meanwhile, in Puerto Rico an entire US territory is devastated and little is being done.
There's quite a bit being done in PR and it started since before the hurricane even landed.

I think your news source for this is probably misaligned with reality.

Considering I left the island early Tuesday ahead if the hurricane and have friends there reporting back, I'm pretty sure I know a little more about it than you.

You should have them call the governor's office then.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/us/hurricane-maria-puerto-rico/index.html

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Lawndarter 3]

RonD1120

Whatever misguided adolescent message the NFL is trying to promote, it is not working. All they are doing is fueling the fire and making more and more folks angry. Many of my friends are tuning out pro football. And now there is a move to boycott their sponsors. What does it all mean? SHTF is coming boys, get ready.

Cool. I've just started taking more of an interest in it, and so have a lot of people.

[Lawndarter 3]

Iago

These are professional athletes and playing pro sports is their job. You keep your personal politics out of your job. And yes, an employer has every right to fire you for your personal politics.

Or you realize you're a significant public figure with a huge platform, and you use that to highlight something wrong with society. I'm pretty solidly in favour of that. And their employers seem to be for the most part too.

[nolhtairt 0]

Lawndarter

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These are professional athletes and playing pro sports is their job. You keep your personal politics out of your job. And yes, an employer has every right to fire you for your personal politics.

Or you realize you're a significant public figure with a huge platform, and you use that to highlight something wrong with society. I'm pretty solidly in favour of that. And their employers seem to be for the most part too.

Only as long as the employers are on board with it.

[JerryBaumchen 1,362]

Hi John,

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Every one swore an oath to defend the Constitution.

I enlisted in 1959; no song or flag was mentioned. We did however swear to defend the Constitution.

People really should know who is on first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg

Jerry Baumchen

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Simply replying to last post.

This is a part of a much longer post on FB.

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Three generations of my family, serving the USA, in harms’ way. Three vastly different enemies, but enemies who shared one common trait. ALL of them stifle free speech. All of them bully, degrade and terrorize those who hold opposing views and who peacefully express them. All of them are intolerant and demand “loyalty” to the leader.

I can tell you, speaking for three generations of my family, it is PRECISELY for men like Kaepernick, and his right to peacefully protest injustice, that we were willing to serve. There is NOTHING more respectful of our country than living up to its ideals. There is nothing more patriotic than to say “I’m concerned with injustice, and will use my position to try and address it.”

Pretty clear and to the point.

Link to original post on Facebook.

Also, it's kind of funny (not really).

Distraction and misdirection are the key tools for con men.

So the "Distractor in Chief" starts a storm of reactions by posting this.

And the story that Jared Kushner has been using a private, unsecured e-mail account since shortly after the inauguration, and been using it for official WH business gets ignored.

https://www.google.com/search?q=jared+kushner+white+house+email&oq=Jared+Kushner&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.7167j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Coincidence?

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"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[billvon 2,990]

>You keep your personal politics out of your job.

Cool. Then no one says the anthem. Problem solved.

[JerryBaumchen 1,362]

Hi Joe,

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Distraction and misdirection are the key tools for con men.

And that is exactly why I said that people should know who is on first.

He is all about the old, 'Hey, look over here.'

And the schmucks fall for it.

Jerry Baumchen

[normiss 798]

Hey Jerry,
Yours is the latest post, so replying in order!


My wife's dad, a Nam Marine LT who lead artillery in Nam posted this:

I, Dick Stier, will "take a knee" with the NFL players. When I joined the Marine Corps in 1962, I swore to uphold our Constitution. I am a Patriot, having honorably served in combat doing what my country expected. I did not swear to sing the anthem, salute the flag, pledge allegiance, stand, sit or hold my hand over my heart. Those are important and meaningful expressions of pride and tradition, but they are not the law of the land. Also in 1962, one could feel the beginning of the equal rights movement. I naively thought that equality among Americans would be in place within 20 years or so. I was wrong, wrong and wrong.....if you're honest you will have to agree. Fifty five years later (55 !) African Americas are again pushing the rest of us to deliver on the promise. One man, a single professional football player chose to express his feelings. He did not harm anyone....he did not defame anyone...he did not violate a law....he did not 'flip the bird'. Instead, he took advantage of our Constitution's free speech clause by simply kneeling during the singing of our anthem. Many thought he showed disrespect toward our country. I think he, and the others who followed him are Patriots because they are trying to improve our country. I thought he showed sublime courage and poetic intelligence. More of us should "take a knee".

IMO, he's entirely correct and one of the men I have respected most in my life.

[gowlerk 2,190]

airdvr

************Interested in everyone's thoughts.

Personally I believe the players are employees and if directed by their employer not to kneel they shouldn't.

Maybe so. Which means the dotard is correct. They could be fired. Which means it is the fault of the owners for allowing their paid servants to be uppity instead of knowing their place of subservience.

Way to play the race card without actually playing the race card.


Exactly what the POTUS is doing. You've got it.

If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL,or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect....

Sorry...I didn't see anything about race in the tweet.


You did not see anything about race in my words either. But I intended you see the connection. Just as the dotard did.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[skycatcher68 7]

jimjumper

Disrespect only fosters more disrespect. That applies to both sides of this argument. If you wish to protest don't disrespect the very symbols of the system that allows you to protest.

How do you disrespect a system that allows you to protest by using said system to protest? How do you not see the contradiction in what you're saying? You don't disrespect the National Anthem, the Flag, or this country by exercising freedom of speech, you celebrate this country and its Constitution by doing so!

For example, don't disrespect Christmas by opening Christmas gifts on Christmas since Christmas is about giving gifts. The logic is ridiculous!

What if the Bible had been written by Stephen King?

[airdvr 210]

gowlerk

***************Interested in everyone's thoughts.

Personally I believe the players are employees and if directed by their employer not to kneel they shouldn't.

Maybe so. Which means the dotard is correct. They could be fired. Which means it is the fault of the owners for allowing their paid servants to be uppity instead of knowing their place of subservience.

Way to play the race card without actually playing the race card.


Exactly what the POTUS is doing. You've got it.

If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL,or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect....

Sorry...I didn't see anything about race in the tweet.


You did not see anything about race in my words either. But I intended you see the connection. Just as the dotard did.

paid servants to be uppity instead of knowing their place of subservience.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/11/yep-uppity-racist/335160/

Yep, 'Uppity' Is Racist

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[tkhayes 348]

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If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL,or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect....

Sorry...I didn't see anything about race in the tweet.

Why are football players of color 'privileged' to earn a living when they worked pretty hard to get to the NFL and white millionaire/billionaires simply 'earned' their money?

Why are black people always supposed to be so 'grateful' for even existing in America it would seem.

The Wall St conservative wants his tax breaks and wants to keep all his money because it is HIS afterall, he EARNED it, and he should be keeping more of it - among other tidbits of americana...

Black football players are supposed to be thankful that we 'allowed them' to earn that money. This is a fundamental issue that continues to put non-whites (and women) in America at the bottom end of our idea of equality.

Trevor Noah summed it up perfectly in a recent bit about 'when is the right time for black people to protest?'

[Phil1111 1,149]

tkhayes

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If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL,or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect....

Sorry...I didn't see anything about race in the tweet.

Why are football players of color 'privileged' to earn a living when they worked pretty hard to get to the NFL and white millionaire/billionaires simply 'earned' their money?

Why are black people always supposed to be so 'grateful' for even existing in America it would seem.

The Wall St conservative wants his tax breaks and wants to keep all his money because it is HIS afterall, he EARNED it, and he should be keeping more of it - among other tidbits of americana...

Black football players are supposed to be thankful that we 'allowed them' to earn that money. This is a fundamental issue that continues to put non-whites (and women) in America at the bottom end of our idea of equality.

Trevor Noah summed it up perfectly in a recent bit about 'when is the right time for black people to protest?'

Outstanding.

[Phil1111 1,149]

Iago

The Guard was out Friday going town to town with sat phones assessing damage and needs.

Water trucks were sent out immediately to distribute potable water.

Roads have been cleared by everyone with a chainsaw and a machete. You can drive from San Juan to Mayaguez on the West coast without pro lems.

Gasoline trucks are out distributing for emergency use. Restrictions should be lifted as more supplies arrive.

Portable cell towers are being setup to restore communications. Some landlines are already restored. Internet is working in spots.

Some power and water service already restored. Outages are still widespread and massive, but there is progress.

SJU port has been reopened by USCG and a dozen ships have already docked with relief supplies. Five naval vessels are already there providing support.

Ramey airbase in the NW started receiving planes of responders and supplies as early as Saturday. BQN will stay restricted until at least 10/3. SJU has been receiving military and relief flights and expects limited commercial flights soon.

It's going to be a long recovery, but there's a lot of progress being made not even a week after the storm.

I've seen a couple reports where residents inland have yet to receive help so I hope you are right.

PR is in trouble between the debt bomb and this hurricane. I hope that fed aid can get electrical on line soon.
https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2017/09/disconnected-by-disasterphotos-from-a-battered-puerto-rico/540975/

Odd that trump never traveled to PR like he did to Texas and Fla.

I wonder if it.....

[billvon 2,990]

>Meanwhile, in Puerto Rico an entire US territory is devastated and little is being done.

Trump has finally weighed in on Puerto Rico. Food, water and medical are all doing well, he says. But there are a few real problems, according to him. First their electrical grid is devastated (but it's their own fault, because it was "in terrible shape" to start with.) Secondly, and most importantly, the real tragedy is all the money Puerto Rico owes to Trump's friends - Wall Street and the banks. And that, according to Trump, is what "must be dealt with."

[billvon 2,990]

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Disrespect only fosters more disrespect. That applies to both sides of this argument. If you wish to protest don't disrespect the very symbols of the system that allows you to protest.

I agree. You should still show respect. Kneeling is one way to do that, even if it's not politically correct.

[RonD1120 62]

When I was in the military I was told that the duty day ended at 1630. At that time the base flag would be lowered and the national anthem played over loudspeakers. I was ordered at that time to come to attention and salute the flag. If the flag could not be seen salute toward the sound of the music. Failure to do so could result in disciplinary action.

I wonder why they ordered that if it was unconstitutional?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,489]

Hmm, I wonder if their antiquated infrastructure and massive debt could have anything to do with them all being disenfranchised citizens without representation in the House, the Senate and the Presidency and with no power to trade when it comes to appropriations?

Nah, must be a coincidence.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?