jeffrey27rj 0 #1 April 9, 2018 I think I heard something about this before but was curious as to what the rules were. I have a coach rating but likely will be letting it lapse here soon. I enjoy being able to give back when I can but I've been too busy with team training to do many coach jumps this last year. With a D license, are you allowed to jump with a student off AFF but not yet with their A license? I figure I couldn't sign anything off their progression card without the rating but could help them work on stuff? Is that a rule or maybe I just heard about it somewhere and it was a DZ specific rule that allowed it. Thanks!*If you fail to plan, you plan to fail* *It's not flair, it's flare* *Please use "your" and "you're" responsibly* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bill6870 3 #2 April 9, 2018 From the BSR's in the SIM 6. Students training for group freefall [S] a. Student freefall training for group freefall jumps must be conducted by either a USPA Coach under the supervision of a USPA Instructor, or a D-license holder, and; b. The maximum group size allowed for any group skydive is four if that group includes any solo students cleared for self-supervision. There must be at least one instructor, coach or D-license holder for each student involved. Blue Skies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeffrey27rj 0 #3 April 9, 2018 great, thanks. So sounds like I could do one on one work with them. I'm assuming that wouldn't make me eligible to sign off on their progression card though.....or else once you have your D license you wouldn't need a coach rating to do any coach jumps really and it would be a pointless rating. Interesting that you could do a 4 way with two students and 2 D license holders though as that still puts 2 students not yet cleared with an A license on a jump together responsible for tracking away efficiently. Not sure how I feel about that one.*If you fail to plan, you plan to fail* *It's not flair, it's flare* *Please use "your" and "you're" responsibly* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #4 April 10, 2018 jeffrey27rjInteresting that you could do a 4 way with two students and 2 D license holders though as that still puts 2 students not yet cleared with an A license on a jump together responsible for tracking away efficiently. Not sure how I feel about that one. There are many things that are allowed by the rule book that are still dictated on a case-by-caase basis on the drop zone and this would/should be one of them. Just as things like acceptable wing loading, maximum winds, and minimum deployment altitudes are flexible (within the USPA guidelines) based on a student's abilities, whether or not to allow a student to conduct group jumps should follow that same model. I think it should be assumed that a qualifier for group jumps would be the student's ability to track and clear the air properly.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelmullins 81 #5 April 10, 2018 jeffrey27rjI think I heard something about this before but was curious as to what the rules were. I have a coach rating but likely will be letting it lapse here soon. I enjoy being able to give back when I can but I've been too busy with team training to do many coach jumps this last year. With a D license, are you allowed to jump with a student off AFF but not yet with their A license? I figure I couldn't sign anything off their progression card without the rating but could help them work on stuff? Is that a rule or maybe I just heard about it somewhere and it was a DZ specific rule that allowed it. Thanks! Actually, keeping your Coach rating current is not as difficult as some may think. Definition of a Coach Jump, from the USPA SIM: "A Coach jump is any jump where a USPA Coach jumps with any person and provides instruction and/or critique to that person". You need not jump with a student to count it as a Coach jump. I am very familiar with this definition as I wrote it. Mike Mullins USPA National Director Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelmullins 81 #6 April 10, 2018 jeffrey27rjgreat, thanks. So sounds like I could do one on one work with them. I'm assuming that wouldn't make me eligible to sign off on their progression card though.....or else once you have your D license you wouldn't need a coach rating to do any coach jumps really and it would be a pointless rating. Interesting that you could do a 4 way with two students and 2 D license holders though as that still puts 2 students not yet cleared with an A license on a jump together responsible for tracking away efficiently. Not sure how I feel about that one. You think that 2 students in a 4 way is scary? Prior to this recent change (within the last year) a Coach, or Instructor, could take as many students on a group jump as he chose. He literally could take 99 students with him for a 100 way. Mike Mullins Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeffrey27rj 0 #7 April 13, 2018 Ya i organize a lot of jumps but hate teaching ground school. Haven’t taught one. Is year which is why I think it’s gonna lapse!*If you fail to plan, you plan to fail* *It's not flair, it's flare* *Please use "your" and "you're" responsibly* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuai43 7 #8 April 16, 2018 michaelmullins You think that 2 students in a 4 way is scary? Prior to this recent change (within the last year) a Coach, or Instructor, could take as many students on a group jump as he chose. He literally could take 99 students with him for a 100 way. Mike Mullins I suppose this is why I love you.Every fight is a food fight if you're a cannibal Goodness is something to be chosen. When a man cannot choose, he ceases to be a man. - Anthony Burgess Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
