CesspoolDave 0 #1 June 28, 2006 I stumbled accross this video and submit only to show as video evidence of what can happen when your closing pin or closing loop fail, or comes out on the airplane. I don't know what happened in this particular case, nor do I know what the outcome was. We can only hope that this individual was able to cut away the main, and get his reserve out. A very harrowing video to say the least. Even though I have a low number of jumps, I think this video speaks volumes for why we get several pin checks before exit. [/url] http://www.littlemidgets.com/detail.php?type=2&sort=date&cf=7&page=3&content=6577 [url] . . . ."I have no fear of falling, but I hate hitting the ground" -The Badlees Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoBroJosh 0 #2 June 28, 2006 Yeah, I have seen that before and it is ugly. The guy was actually able to cut away and go to his reserve. He landed without further incident. The canopy actually shredded itself over the tail and eventually fell off. It didn't look (in the other vid I saw of this, which was a little longer and a little better quality) like the pilot had any control issues or damage with the tail as a result. Gnarly for sure!! Check those pins!!Josh K. "Rice is great when you're hungry and want 2000 of something" Mitch Hedberg '68 - '05 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikiBee 0 #3 June 28, 2006 cesspool, this video is from Rantoul 2 years ago. the guy was able to cutaway and the main stuck on the tail, but shredded off. i heard from someone on that load that the guys had rushed onto the plane last minute before it taxied off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MF42 0 #4 June 28, 2006 clicky Link to much better video of the same incident without all those NSFW webcam girls all over the place. Matt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoBroJosh 0 #5 June 28, 2006 Thanks Matt, I knew there was better vid somewhere... Also, here is the link to the original DZ.com post with the details... http://dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=1192698Josh K. "Rice is great when you're hungry and want 2000 of something" Mitch Hedberg '68 - '05 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #6 June 28, 2006 Yeah, I was on that load. A pretty hairy event. One lesson from that - if a jumper experiences an open container in the aircraft, first goal is to prevent any part of it from going out of the plane. If any significant part of the parachute escapes out the door, get him out the door any way you can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #7 June 28, 2006 And probably get out of the airplane too.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoBroJosh 0 #8 June 29, 2006 QuoteYeah, I was on that load. A pretty hairy event. One lesson from that - if a jumper experiences an open container in the aircraft, first goal is to prevent any part of it from going out of the plane. If any significant part of the parachute escapes out the door, get him out the door any way you can. I read that thread all over again as a result of the new post. I was in Rantoul when this happened and heard about it. I didn't get all the details until I got home and read the thread you posted though. Thanks for the first hand account Bill, spooky shit bro. Another reminder of what "could have been" and why we all need to be on our toes at ALL times never hurts. All pins should be checked BEFORE the door even opens, not just before climbout.Josh K. "Rice is great when you're hungry and want 2000 of something" Mitch Hedberg '68 - '05 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #9 June 29, 2006 QuoteQuote Thanks for the first hand account Bill, spooky shit bro. Another reminder of what "could have been" and why we all need to be on our toes at ALL times never hurts. All pins should be checked BEFORE the door even opens, not just before climbout. not just pins?...I recently saw a looped bridle on a student rig catch wind when the jumper was in the door. Bridle wasn't fully laid flat against the container, and no bridle cover on the container. No one seriously hurt. Deploying at 13k and being jerked out of the doorway *might* have been avoided if the bridle had been more closely checked along with the pin check, or so it seems. I'm thinking that if the PC hadn't come out with the main, it could have been a horseshoe mal as well? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #10 June 29, 2006 Quote Deploying at 13k and being jerked out of the doorway *might* have been avoided if the bridle had been more closely checked along with the pin check, or so it seems. I'm thinking that if the PC hadn't come out with the main, it could have been a horseshoe mal as well? A closing loop of the proper length probably could have prevented that as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #11 June 29, 2006 While I understand assumptions shouldn't be made, wouldn't one assume the closing loop would be the proper length on a student/rental rig? I have no idea if it was or wasn't, since I didn't look at the container after it was opened. But I have seen it jumped on numerous occasions without incident. Is the length related to anything more than the pressure generated by the bag? In other words, am I missing a piece of the puzzle beyond how tight the closing system should be? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #12 June 29, 2006 My personal rule for closing loop length: If I'm not using profanity trying to close it, it's not tight enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #13 June 29, 2006 > If I'm not using profanity trying to close it, it's not tight enough. A good (but sexist) metric I once heard - if your girlfriend/wife can close your rig, your closing loop is too loose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #14 June 29, 2006 >All pins should be checked BEFORE the door even opens, not just before climbout. I would add to this: 1) Pins should NEVER be checked once the door is open. If you yank on the flap, pull on the bridle accidentally and open the container, you don't want the door open at that point. 2) Pins/gear should be checked so that sufficient time exists to fix the problem. I have found misrouted 3-rings, unthreaded chest straps and even a few misrouted bridles during gear checks, and you need time to fix them before exit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #15 June 29, 2006 Quote> If I'm not using profanity trying to close it, it's not tight enough. A good (but sexist) metric I once heard - if your girlfriend/wife can close your rig, your closing loop is too loose. Thanks guys. I just ran the other room in to check mine...and it's not tight enough to make me cuss, so I guess I'd better shorten it a bit. Knowing now what a premature deployment is like... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWFlyer 2 #16 June 30, 2006 Quote> If I'm not using profanity trying to close it, it's not tight enough. A good (but sexist) metric I once heard - if your girlfriend/wife can close your rig, your closing loop is too loose. My personal metric is: if I can close it with a pull-up cord, it's too loose. If it requires me to use my packing tool, it's right."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
justinb138 0 #10 June 29, 2006 Quote Deploying at 13k and being jerked out of the doorway *might* have been avoided if the bridle had been more closely checked along with the pin check, or so it seems. I'm thinking that if the PC hadn't come out with the main, it could have been a horseshoe mal as well? A closing loop of the proper length probably could have prevented that as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #11 June 29, 2006 While I understand assumptions shouldn't be made, wouldn't one assume the closing loop would be the proper length on a student/rental rig? I have no idea if it was or wasn't, since I didn't look at the container after it was opened. But I have seen it jumped on numerous occasions without incident. Is the length related to anything more than the pressure generated by the bag? In other words, am I missing a piece of the puzzle beyond how tight the closing system should be? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #12 June 29, 2006 My personal rule for closing loop length: If I'm not using profanity trying to close it, it's not tight enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #13 June 29, 2006 > If I'm not using profanity trying to close it, it's not tight enough. A good (but sexist) metric I once heard - if your girlfriend/wife can close your rig, your closing loop is too loose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #14 June 29, 2006 >All pins should be checked BEFORE the door even opens, not just before climbout. I would add to this: 1) Pins should NEVER be checked once the door is open. If you yank on the flap, pull on the bridle accidentally and open the container, you don't want the door open at that point. 2) Pins/gear should be checked so that sufficient time exists to fix the problem. I have found misrouted 3-rings, unthreaded chest straps and even a few misrouted bridles during gear checks, and you need time to fix them before exit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #15 June 29, 2006 Quote> If I'm not using profanity trying to close it, it's not tight enough. A good (but sexist) metric I once heard - if your girlfriend/wife can close your rig, your closing loop is too loose. Thanks guys. I just ran the other room in to check mine...and it's not tight enough to make me cuss, so I guess I'd better shorten it a bit. Knowing now what a premature deployment is like... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #16 June 30, 2006 Quote> If I'm not using profanity trying to close it, it's not tight enough. A good (but sexist) metric I once heard - if your girlfriend/wife can close your rig, your closing loop is too loose. My personal metric is: if I can close it with a pull-up cord, it's too loose. If it requires me to use my packing tool, it's right."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
