Bob_Church 7 #76 May 5, 2018 "I think everyone just said, "Yup, figures, and surprise surprise, he's lying about something again." In the grand scheme I think the typical "Clinton voter" was thinking "Hey, at least it was consensual." " But I thought that was the $64k question all along. That is, "Where does consent end and coercion start with a powerful figure?" I don't remember Clinton being vilified for having sex with willing women, but getting them to his room, sometimes with help from the Highway Patrol, then putting on the pressure. It's hard to look through those old articles and not be overwhelmed with the accusations of pressuring women for sex. Bill Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000, not to keep quiet but as an out of court settlement after she accused him of flashing her then demanding oral sex. Even Lewinski is seeing it differently now. "I now see how problematic it was that the two of us even got to a place where there was a question of consent,” Lewinsky says in her new essay. “Instead, the road that led there was littered with inappropriate abuse of authority, station, and privilege. (Full stop.)" https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/02/26/what-monica-lewinsky-learned-from-metoo/?utm_term=.0a77f02f2db2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #77 May 5, 2018 Michael Cohen Issues $130,000 Payment to Silence Giuliani -- Andy Borowitz "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #78 May 5, 2018 The final position is that it means nothing in regards to strengthening our economy and our nation. The goal is simply MAGA.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #79 May 5, 2018 RonD1120The final position is that it means nothing in regards to strengthening our economy and our nation. The goal is simply MAGA. So you admit that President Trump wasn't telling the truth? If it means nothing either way, why were you lying about it?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #80 May 5, 2018 jakee***The final position is that it means nothing in regards to strengthening our economy and our nation. The goal is simply MAGA. So you admit that President Trump wasn't telling the truth? If it means nothing either way, why were you lying about it? I know I'm going to regret this, what lie are you referring to?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #81 May 5, 2018 RonD1120******The final position is that it means nothing in regards to strengthening our economy and our nation. The goal is simply MAGA. So you admit that President Trump wasn't telling the truth? If it means nothing either way, why were you lying about it? I know I'm going to regret this, what lie are you referring to? When you just said it was shown that Trump was telling the truth. You were asked to clarify what he was telling the truth about and you coudn't, you just switched to saying it didn't matter anyway. Now, whatever actually happened we know for sure that Trump has lied about it, since he's given utterly contradictory statements at different times. So - if you thik it doesn't metter anyway whether or not he told the truth, why did you feel the need to lie about it yourself? Can you not seperate the concepts of supporting his economic strategy while admitting that he's lying about the payoff?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #82 May 5, 2018 jakee*********The final position is that it means nothing in regards to strengthening our economy and our nation. The goal is simply MAGA. So you admit that President Trump wasn't telling the truth? If it means nothing either way, why were you lying about it? I know I'm going to regret this, what lie are you referring to? When you just said it was shown that Trump was telling the truth. You were asked to clarify what he was telling the truth about and you coudn't, you just switched to saying it didn't matter anyway. Now, whatever actually happened we know for sure that Trump has lied about it, since he's given utterly contradictory statements at different times. So - if you thik it doesn't metter anyway whether or not he told the truth, why did you feel the need to lie about it yourself? Can you not seperate the concepts of supporting his economic strategy while admitting that he's lying about the payoff? From my understanding, President Trump did not lie about the payoff. He explained it unsatisfactorily to those who want him out of office. It is only important to those who will not give up the witch hunt. It is our economy and our national security that is important.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #83 May 5, 2018 QuoteFrom my understanding, President Trump did not lie about the payoff. How is that your understanding? Trump was directly asked on Airforce One if he knew about it, and he said no. He was directly asked if he knew where Cohen got the money for the payoff, and he said "No, I don't know". Now both he and Giuliani have confirmed that, by the time he was asked those questions, Trump had fully paid Cohen back for the payment to Daniels, and paid him a significant amount more in fees and expenses. How is it not a lie for Trump to say he didn't know where Cohen got the payoff money, when Trump was well aware that ultimately the payoff money came from Trump's own personal bank account? If you don't think it even matters, why don't you have the integrity to admit that Trump lied?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #84 May 5, 2018 QuoteFrom my understanding, President Trump did not lie about the payoff. You can lead a horse to water.....blind following is scary stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #85 May 5, 2018 RonD1120 He explained it unsatisfactorily Interesting way of saying "he lied"Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #86 May 5, 2018 Stumpy *** He explained it unsatisfactorily Interesting way of saying "he lied" To be fair, saying "no" instead of "yes" and "I don't know anything about that" instead of "I paid him from my personal bank account" is most definitely an unsatisfactory explanationDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #87 May 6, 2018 Perhaps you can explain why an honorable individual (especially a President) needs to have a FIXER on retainer. I'm really interested in the reason.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #88 May 6, 2018 Last night's SNL cold opening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1K8s-tQGqY "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #89 May 6, 2018 Stumpy*** He explained it unsatisfactorily Interesting way of saying "he lied" "Alternative Explanations""There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #90 May 6, 2018 kallend Perhaps you can explain why an honorable individual (especially a President) needs to have a FIXER on retainer. I'm really interested in the reason. He had the fixer before he was president. This is a commonly held position for the uber rich. They have problems and situations that neither of us can begin to comprehend. That was explained to me many years ago by a friend who had been employed as a consultant to the wealthy in NYC. You have the same situation with large corporations that will pay frivolous settlements out of court even when innocent. Disreputable people will lie to get your money or otherwise take advantage of those who are better off.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theplummeter 15 #91 May 6, 2018 kallend Perhaps you can explain why an honorable individual (especially a President) needs to have a FIXER on retainer. I'm really interested in the reason. Because if we've learned nothing else from Jerry Springer at least we know not to write a check for our mistress' abortions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #92 May 6, 2018 >The final position is that it means nothing in regards to strengthening our economy and our nation. Ron - "He didn't lie." BVN - "Here's his lie." Ron - "It doesn't matter." Once again the GOP three step: 1) He didn't do it 2) OK he did do it but it doesn't matter. 3) Clinton did it first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #93 May 6, 2018 >They have problems and situations that neither of us can begin to comprehend. Like paying off a porn star so that she wouldn't tell anyone that he was cheating on his wife who was home with his newborn? You may not be able to understand that, but it's pretty clear what his motivations were (and why he needed a fixer.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #94 May 6, 2018 Yawn! President Trump's list of accomplishments thus far are beyond impressive. Some say he has done more in 1.25 years than President Reagan did in 8 years. What have the Democrat Liberals accomplished in the same amount of time? Oh yeah, they have maintained a relentless witch hunt. It's time to move on and taste the good flavor of MAGA.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #95 May 7, 2018 >President Trump's list of accomplishments thus far are beyond impressive. That is true. Over 3000 misleading or false statements; that's something no other president has managed to accomplish. Two divorces. Fifteen allegations of sexual assault or harassment - more than even Clinton. One payoff to a porn star. Several other payoffs to foreign mistresses. The fastest turnover of the cabinet in history - as well as the most corrupt cabinet in history. You have a lot to be proud of. >What have the Democrat Liberals accomplished in the same amount of time? What did the GOP accomplish in the first 1.25 years of Obama's presidency? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,459 #96 May 7, 2018 Ron, what do you consider his actual accomplishments to be? I'm honestly asking, because the only legislation actually passed has been the tax cut, which seems to be a short-term "make people happy today" kind of tax cut. Everything else has been dodging the admittedly relentless barrage of accusations. And, of course, complaining about them, and posting accusations. "Pissing off liberals" doesn't count as an accomplishment. If it did, then I'd have to say that Obama was the most spectacularly successful president in history, because he sure pissed off his opponents. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #97 May 7, 2018 billvon>President Trump's list of accomplishments thus far are beyond impressive. That is true. Over 3000 misleading or false statements; that's something no other president has managed to accomplish. Two divorces. Fifteen allegations of sexual assault or harassment - more than even Clinton. One payoff to a porn star. Several other payoffs to foreign mistresses. The fastest turnover of the cabinet in history - as well as the most corrupt cabinet in history. You have a lot to be proud of. >What have the Democrat Liberals accomplished in the same amount of time? What did the GOP accomplish in the first 1.25 years of Obama's presidency? You missed raising the deficit by $1.5 Trillion.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #98 May 7, 2018 wmw999Ron, what do you consider his actual accomplishments to be? I'm honestly asking, because the only legislation actually passed has been the tax cut, which seems to be a short-term "make people happy today" kind of tax cut. Everything else has been dodging the admittedly relentless barrage of accusations. And, of course, complaining about them, and posting accusations. "Pissing off liberals" doesn't count as an accomplishment. If it did, then I'd have to say that Obama was the most spectacularly successful president in history, because he sure pissed off his opponents. Wendy P. A quick Google search yielded: 1. https://www.bls.gov/ 2. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/year-one-list-81-major-trump-achievements-11-obama-legacy-items-repealed America is going back to work again. America is seeing that national security can be a reality. Israel is experiencing a greater sense of partnership as our ally. On a personal note, in my community, we have ceased complaining about the president. Now we laugh at the insane stupidity of the MSM. And, we pray that they do not win out. We understand the evil spirits at work in America. In many aspects, primarily abortion, we recognize our suffering for sin. But, for now, at this time, President Trump is the leader this nation needs. We thank God for him.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #99 May 7, 2018 RonD1120***Ron, what do you consider his actual accomplishments to be? I'm honestly asking, because the only legislation actually passed has been the tax cut, which seems to be a short-term "make people happy today" kind of tax cut. Everything else has been dodging the admittedly relentless barrage of accusations. And, of course, complaining about them, and posting accusations. "Pissing off liberals" doesn't count as an accomplishment. If it did, then I'd have to say that Obama was the most spectacularly successful president in history, because he sure pissed off his opponents. Wendy P. A quick Google search yielded: 1. https://www.bls.gov/ 2. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/year-one-list-81-major-trump-achievements-11-obama-legacy-items-repealed America is going back to work again. America is seeing that national security can be a reality. Israel is experiencing a greater sense of partnership as our ally. On a personal note, in my community, we have ceased complaining about the president. Now we laugh at the insane stupidity of the MSM. And, we pray that they do not win out. We understand the evil spirits at work in America. In many aspects, primarily abortion, we recognize our suffering for sin. But, for now, at this time, President Trump is the leader this nation needs. We thank God for him. Trump Deficit up 1 trillion (YoY) Unemployment down .9% But the wages created are all low paying jobs with wages increases of only 2.6%(annual) https://qz.com/1225580/unemployment-us-jobs-report-shows-big-growth-in-jobs-not-wages/ While tax breaks have and massive deficits have put inflation on the Fed's agenda: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/higher-inflation-trump-tax-and-spend-boom-leave-investors-looking-for-fed-clues-2018-02-17 Trump's net coal jobs created !,000 https://www.npr.org/2018/02/23/586236738/coal-jobs-have-gone-up-under-trump-but-not-because-of-his-policies Obama’s Final Numbers https://www.factcheck.org/2017/09/obamas-final-numbers/ Unemployment rate down 1.3% Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #100 May 7, 2018 I choose to look at positive news sources. After living in a black sucking cloud of oppression for 8 years I am enjoying the fresh air. The news today is discussing Mueller's conflict with his Russia Troll Farm indictments. He could be forced to show his hand through discovery. The wheels are coming off his wagon. The negativity of the liberal left witch hunt is binding the Trump supporters strongly together. A Reuter's poll showed President Trump's favoritism spiked upward to the point that they are denying their own results. A porn star on SNL makes news!!! The Democrats are so lost in the game they are truly comedic.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
