the 4th of July confession

[RonD1120 62]

jakee

***You have earned your place in the Order of the Young Lords of Flawless Logic.

It's amazing that you think that's a put-down.

Is that what you think?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Ah yes the incessant American glorification of its military.

[gowlerk 2,198]

SkyDekker

Ah yes the incessant American glorification of its military.

Another frequent American poster from here called it "New Sparta" in a PM to me. I like it and will use it. So thank you. You know who you are.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[BIGUN 1,317]

billvon

>Then why is it done on July 4th?

Because it was the date that the US adopted the Declaration of Independence, the document that created the United States of America. That's why it is very common to do readings of that document on the 4th.

(It is worth noting that the Continental Congress actually voted for independence on July 2nd; the 4th was chosen for the celebration since that was the date the Declaration of Independence was finished.)

US military veterans are celebrated on Veteran's Day.

1. Well, you and I knew it - but the question was posed to TK. (Two dates which historians will argue after we're gone).

2. No tribute to veterans on Memorial Day? Or, is that just the beginning of summer, hamburgers, beers & Boogies?

3. What in the hell do all of you care if a man reflects on appreciating his way of life on Independence Day and thanks the long legacy of those who made it happen?

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[gowlerk 2,198]

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3. What in the hell do all of you care if a man reflects on appreciating his way of life on Independence Day and thanks the long legacy of those who made it happen?

Marc is pretty much trolling here. And reeling in the fish quite nicely I'd say.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[BIGUN 1,317]

You're probably right. Was kinda wondering why he didn't step in and, "What in the hell do all of you care if a man reflects on appreciating his way of life on Independence Day and thanks the long legacy of those who made it happen?"

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[billvon 2,996]

BIGUN

2. No tribute to veterans on Memorial Day?

Well, Memorial Day is to commemorate military who died while on duty, not people who were in the military and retired. But if you want to do a tribute to veterans that day as well, then I am sure no one would stop you.

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3. What in the hell do all of you care if a man reflects on appreciating his way of life on Independence Day and thanks the long legacy of those who made it happen?

?? I don't. Why did you think I did care?

[rushmc 23]

RonD1120

******For reasons I'm not going to go into in this post my biggest regret is not joining the military when I left High School
For all of you who did choose to serve, I can only offer my thanks.

Because of you I have been able to retire. I can get my boat out and go on the lake and fish and drink and do whatever the hell I want.

Telling you thanks you seems so insignificant. But that's all I can do! Thank you.

Just out of idle curiosity - what has 'the military' done exactly to enable you to go fishing?
Who have they defended you against?

Being forced to learn to speak German, in my lifetime.

Ignore the trolls

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

Ah yes the incessant American glorification of its military.

WHOOSH...

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

BIGUN

***>Then why is it done on July 4th?

Because it was the date that the US adopted the Declaration of Independence, the document that created the United States of America. That's why it is very common to do readings of that document on the 4th.

(It is worth noting that the Continental Congress actually voted for independence on July 2nd; the 4th was chosen for the celebration since that was the date the Declaration of Independence was finished.)

US military veterans are celebrated on Veteran's Day.

1. Well, you and I knew it - but the question was posed to TK. (Two dates which historians will argue after we're gone).

2. No tribute to veterans on Memorial Day? Or, is that just the beginning of summer, hamburgers, beers & Boogies?

3. What in the hell do all of you care if a man reflects on appreciating his way of life on Independence Day and thanks the long legacy of those who made it happen?

There was a series of events that happened prior to me making that post. And I do really mean thank you to all who served. Just reflecting back on my past a bit. I had no idea the left trolls we're such a hating mob! So be it...

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[BIGUN 1,317]

wolfriverjoe

No US soldiers have died defending "our" freedom (the freedom of US citizens and soil) since the 19th century.

And. those who have homes in areas near forest fires shouldn't be thanking the firefighters who were injured or died stopping the fire before it reached their homes. No, there was no threat to our freedoms in the 20th century.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[BIGUN 1,317]

billvon

***2. No tribute to veterans on Memorial Day?

Well, Memorial Day is to commemorate military who died while on duty, not people who were in the military and retired. But if you want to do a tribute to veterans that day as well, then I am sure no one would stop you.

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3. What in the hell do all of you care if a man reflects on appreciating his way of life on Independence Day and thanks the long legacy of those who made it happen?

?? I don't. Why did you think I did care?

Noted. Not directed at you as much as the group on the last one.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

BIGUN

***No US soldiers have died defending "our" freedom (the freedom of US citizens and soil) since the 19th century.

And. those who have homes in areas near forest fires shouldn't be thanking the firefighters who were injured or died stopping the fire before it reached their homes. No, there was no threat to our freedoms in the 20th century.

Other than potentially WWI, no there really hasn't been.

Freedom in the US during WWII was never at risk.

[BIGUN 1,317]

Probably be best if you stuck to Canadian history.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

BIGUN

***No US soldiers have died defending "our" freedom (the freedom of US citizens and soil) since the 19th century.

And. those who have homes in areas near forest fires shouldn't be thanking the firefighters who were injured or died stopping the fire before it reached their homes. No, there was no threat to our freedoms in the 20th century.

What does firefighting have to do with war?

I understand the analogy you are trying to make, but it falls well short.

WW 1 was almost entirely European. There would have been difficulties if Germany had won, but none of that would have affected the US. We weren't even in the conflict until the last couple years.

Same with WW 2, although it was a wider war and Japan attacked the Navy at Pearl Harbor. But they never wanted to conquer the US, they just wanted to kick us out of the western Pacific so that they could have a nice empire.

Korea? Viet Nam? Those were both about other people's freedom. One could argue that they were preventing communism from taking over, but Korea was a stalemate and we lost Viet Nam. Communism ran fairly rampant in SE Asia, and in Africa too, but still fell in the end.

Iraq (both of them)? Oil. Pure and simple. Maybe the 'freedom' to drive our cars on the cheap, but that's about it.

Afghanistan? Maybe. We needed to retaliate against Al Queda and OBL, but GWB got so distracted with Iraq and Saddam Hussein that it really fell apart after the first year.

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1. Well, you and I knew it - but the question was posed to TK. (Two dates which historians will argue after we're gone).

2. No tribute to veterans on Memorial Day? Or, is that just the beginning of summer, hamburgers, beers & Boogies?

3. What in the hell do all of you care if a man reflects on appreciating his way of life on Independence Day and thanks the long legacy of those who made it happen?

Re #2 - It was originally 'Decoration Day', when the graves of fallen military were decorated and the dead remembered. Veteran's day was originally "Armistice Day", the day WW 1 ('the war to end all wars', even though it has a "1" at the end of it) ended.

Re #3 - Given who the OP supports and what he supports and the things those imply, celebrating the founding of a country his hero wants to destroy is kind of ironic.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[DanG 1]

All of you who think the US got involved in WWII for shits and giggles seem to forget about the concept of crimes against humanity. While the Germans and Japanese were not realistically threatening the US directly, they threatened the very idea of humanity. Fighting them was noble whether they were knocking on our door or not.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

All of you who think the US got involved in WWII for shits and giggles seem to forget about the concept of crimes against humanity. While the Germans and Japanese were not realistically threatening the US directly, they threatened the very idea of humanity. Fighting them was noble whether they were knocking on our door or not.

Well stated.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

DanG

All of you who think the US got involved in WWII for shits and giggles seem to forget about the concept of crimes against humanity. While the Germans and Japanese were not realistically threatening the US directly, they threatened the very idea of humanity. Fighting them was noble whether they were knocking on our door or not.

No argument on that. I didn't mean to imply that there weren't some very good reasons for the US entering those wars.

And Korea was defending a country that turned into a staunch ally and one of a very few legit democracies in SE Asia.

Viet Nam could have been about defending a country against a communist aggressor, but went to shit after Kennedy died. It turned instead into supporting a corrupt regime and Johnson not wanting to "lose face" along with Army leadership that refused to fight the war the way it needed to be fought.

But none of them were against any real threat to "American Freedom".

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[kallend 2,027]

DanG

All of you who think the US got involved in WWII for shits and giggles seem to forget about the concept of crimes against humanity. While the Germans and Japanese were not realistically threatening the US directly, they threatened the very idea of humanity. Fighting them was noble whether they were knocking on our door or not.

That was true from September 1939 until Dec 6, 1941 too. US sat on its collective thumbs until Dec. 1941.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Phil1111 1,149]

wolfriverjoe

***All of you who think the US got involved in WWII for shits and giggles seem to forget about the concept of crimes against humanity. While the Germans and Japanese were not realistically threatening the US directly, they threatened the very idea of humanity. Fighting them was noble whether they were knocking on our door or not.

No argument on that. I didn't mean to imply that there weren't some very good reasons for the US entering those wars.

And Korea was defending a country that turned into a staunch ally and one of a very few legit democracies in SE Asia.

Viet Nam could have been about defending a country against a communist aggressor, but went to shit after Kennedy died. It turned instead into supporting a corrupt regime and Johnson not wanting to "lose face" along with Army leadership that refused to fight the war the way it needed to be fought.

But none of them were against any real threat to "American Freedom".

Who Killed More: Hitler, Stalin, or Mao?
"It is probably fair to say, then, that Mao was responsible for about 1.5 million deaths during the Cultural Revolution, another million for the other campaigns, and between 35 million and 45 million for the Great Leap Famine. Taking a middle number for the famine, 40 million, that’s about 42.5 million deaths."...

How, finally, does Mao’s record compare to those of Hitler or Stalin? Snyder estimates that Hitler was responsible for between 11 million and 12 million noncombatant deaths, while Stalin was responsible for at least 6 million, and as many as 9 million if “foreseeable” deaths caused by deportation, starvation, and incarceration in concentration camps are included.

But the Hitler and Stalin numbers invite questions that Mao’s higher ones do not. Should we let Hitler, especially, off the hook for combatant deaths in World War II? It’s probably fair to say that without Hitler, there wouldn’t have been a European war.

If one includes the combatant deaths, and the deaths due to war-related famine and disease, the numbers shoot up astronomically. The Soviet Union suffered upward of 8 million combatant deaths and many more due to famine and disease—perhaps about 20 million."
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/02/05/who-killed-more-hitler-stalin-or-mao/

Genocide Since 1945 Never Again?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/genocide-since-1945-never-again-a-338612.html

[rushmc 23]

Who the hell pays you to post this shit?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

Can you bring yourself to admit that the US has ever done anything good?

- Dan G

[Phil1111 1,149]

rushmc

Who the hell pays you to post this shit?

I'm surprised that your high school history teacher did such a poor job of impressing history on you. Or was it an elective only for inquisitive minds which precluded yourself?

Just for you, perhaps a history program:
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[jcd11235 0]

SkyDekker

Other than potentially WWI, no there really hasn't been.

Freedom in the US during WWII was never at risk.

Shhh …
You'll interfere with our Great American Fantasy.

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[Bob_Church 7]

BIGUN

***No US soldiers have died defending "our" freedom (the freedom of US citizens and soil) since the 19th century.

And. those who have homes in areas near forest fires shouldn't be thanking the firefighters who were injured or died stopping the fire before it reached their homes. No, there was no threat to our freedoms in the 20th century.

And having a good enough military to keep anyone from trying to invade you seems like a good plan, especially once weapons of mass destruction became prevalent.