Russian Involvement in US Election Results

[rushmc 23]

I said before Trump got elected, that if he did get elected, we would see more political vitriol than we've ever seen. This has been the case when any Republican is elected to the office. Looking back the left is always calling Republican Presidents stupid, uneducated, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and any other isms and istcs you want to put on them. But it's worse now than we've ever seen.

Now I want to see if there is another reason for this vitriol .
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What I want to know is, in the end, what do think the result of Russian involvement had in the presidential election. Or if there was any effect at all.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[BIGUN 1,314]

If your reason is to, "to see if there is another reason for this vitriol." This poll only surveys one possible aspect - Russia's interference with voting. That "may" be the cause for his becoming President, but does not measure those reasons for the vitriol once in office. You may have better results on the dislike for the President (now that he's in office} by expanding your survey results to something like:

Please select the ONE you most agree with (feel free to expand or not).

I believe the President is NOT doing a good job with women's rights.

I believe the President is NOT doing a good job with race relations.

I believe the President is NOT doing a good job with the Budgetary process.

I believe the President is NOT doing a good job with DACA.

I believe the President is NOT doing a good job protecting America.

I believe the President is NOT doing a good job with International Relations.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[wmw999 2,447]

You see vitriol even when it's honest criticism. The people who liked Obama saw what they thought was at least as much vitriol. You probably thought that was honest criticism.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 2,991]

>What I want to know is, in the end, what do think the result of Russian involvement had
>in the presidential election.

There was some effect. It was not the decisive effect, but played a role. Which, when combined with every other effect in the election (Comey's November surprise, the effect of the deplorables comment, the unexpected mobilization of the white supremacy movement, etc etc) caused the result we saw.

[Phil1111 1,149]

This entire thread is confusing. If vitriol, or cruel and nasty criticism is to be defined. The questions don't target the origins of that.

Politics in the US, in today's America is vitriolic, but so what? Criticism is either warranted or its not. If it is and no quarter in the debate is given, nor asked. You go for the jugular.

Biggun defines possible reasons for vitriol. But IMO the absolute reason why he drives divide. Drives a passionate hatred. Is that he doesn't have a national interest, a conservative interest, a interest in equality for all, a interest in protecting the weak, etc.

Regan ran huge deficits but he painted a conservative agenda. As one for everyone. Bush senior was a fiscal conservative with a national moral center.

Conservative politics is not a zero sum game. trump sees it as such. He therefore deserves a vitriolic response equal to the weapons HE wants to bring to the fight.

[yoink 321]

Not having the ability to travel to parallel universes the only answer I can give is 'I don't know' - I have no proof of what their interference did or did not do.

I am sure however that they DID interfere.

[jakee 1,489]

rushmc

What I want to know is, in the end, what do think the result of Russian involvement had in the presidential election. Or if there was any effect at all.

Your poll is unbelievably stupid.

If Russia interfered but it had no effect, it is not 'just a distraction'. It is a major issue which needs fully investigating to find out what safeguards need to be put in place for the future. If you just ignore it then it will keep happening, they will get better at it, and they will be bolder in their aproach. It is not just about this election but about the next election, the one after that and the one after that.

It's also a seperate issue to the Mueller invstigation into how Trump and his team behaved during the election and towards the Russians.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,489]

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This has been the case when any Republican is elected to the office. Looking back the left is always calling Republican Presidents stupid, uneducated, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and any other isms and istcs you want to put on them. But it's worse now than we've ever seen.

I gotta be honest, Barack Hussein Communist Kenyan Muslim Terrorist-Fist-Jab Obama might have good reason to disagree with you there.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

BIGUN

If your reason is to, "to see if there is another reason for this vitriol." This poll only surveys one possible aspect - Russia's interference with voting. That "may" be the cause for his becoming President, but does not measure those reasons for the vitriol once in office. You may have better results on the dislike for the President (now that he's in office} by expanding your survey results to something like:

Please select the ONE you most agree with (feel free to expand or not).

I believe the President is NOT doing a good job with women's rights.

I believe the President is NOT doing a good job with race relations.

I believe the President is NOT doing a good job with the Budgetary process.

I believe the President is NOT doing a good job with DACA.

I believe the President is NOT doing a good job protecting America.

I believe the President is NOT doing a good job with International Relations.

The only one I might agree with to a point is the budgetary process.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

You see vitriol even when it's honest criticism. The people who liked Obama saw what they thought was at least as much vitriol. You probably thought that was honest criticism.

Wendy P.

How many hear Wendy, do you think want Trump impeached, actually for no reason, compared to those who would like to have seen Obama impeached? I don't know of anybody here who wanted Obama impeached.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,991]

>I don't know of anybody here who wanted Obama impeached.

HWT, May 2010: "do you really believe Obama when he said he offered a advisory position ?? He offered Sestac a position that he could not accept to quit the primary? this isn't even a job. I say impeach the Liar..."

That took ten seconds.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>I don't know of anybody here who wanted Obama impeached.

HWT, May 2010: "do you really believe Obama when he said he offered a advisory position ?? He offered Sestac a position that he could not accept to quit the primary? this isn't even a job. I say impeach the Liar..."

That took ten seconds.

Who posted that and please post the whole thread.. I know how you cherry pick...

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,489]

rushmc

I don't know of anybody here who wanted Obama impeached.

And how many wanted him disqualified from holding office based on a racist conspiracy theory?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

jakee

***I don't know of anybody here who wanted Obama impeached.

And how many wanted him disqualified from holding office based on a racist conspiracy theory?

Per my point earlier, anybody that was against Obama was called a racist. It was a bunch of bullshit then and it still is now!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,489]

rushmc

Per my point earlier, anybody that was against Obama was called a racist. It was a bunch of bullshit then and it still is now!

Now you're just lying again. A huge number of people were against Obama on policy, or just because he had a D next to his name (just like you blindly attack anyone with a D next to his name).

But that doesn't obscure the fact that a significant number of people were against him for racist reasons as well. People who called him Barack Hussein Obama all the time? Mostly racist. People who promoted and believed the Kenyan Birth conspiracy theory? Mostly racist. That conspiracy theory would not have gained any traction if Obama was white. Guaranteed.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

jakee

***Per my point earlier, anybody that was against Obama was called a racist. It was a bunch of bullshit then and it still is now!

Now you're just lying again. A huge number of people were against Obama on policy, or just because he had a D next to his name (just like you blindly attack anyone with a D next to his name).

But that doesn't obscure the fact that a significant number of people were against him for racist reasons as well. People who called him Barack Hussein Obama all the time? Mostly racist. People who promoted and believed the Kenyan Birth conspiracy theory? Mostly racist. That conspiracy theory would not have gained any traction if Obama was white. Guaranteed.


I knew there was a reason I ignored most of your posts.

You just reminded me...

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,991]

>Who posted that and please post the whole thread..

RushMC: I've never seen X
Billvon: Here is X posted by user HWT
RushMC: Who posted that? Post the whole thing; I can't be bothered to search. CHERRY PICK!

It must be an easy way to live, never having to admit you're wrong.

[airdvr 210]

billvon

>What I want to know is, in the end, what do think the result of Russian involvement had
>in the presidential election.

There was some effect. It was not the decisive effect, but played a role. Which, when combined with every other effect in the election (Comey's November surprise, the effect of the deplorables comment, the unexpected mobilization of the white supremacy movement, etc etc) caused the result we saw.

Please...you left out the fact that most didn't like HRC and the left went to sleep at the polls thinking there was no way Trump could win.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[Bob_Church 7]

The same smug "anyone who thinks differently from me is stupid" that cost the Democrats the election is the same reason they'll never understand why so they'll just keep coming up with one irrelevant excuse after another.

[jakee 1,489]

rushmc

******Per my point earlier, anybody that was against Obama was called a racist. It was a bunch of bullshit then and it still is now!

Now you're just lying again. A huge number of people were against Obama on policy, or just because he had a D next to his name (just like you blindly attack anyone with a D next to his name).

But that doesn't obscure the fact that a significant number of people were against him for racist reasons as well. People who called him Barack Hussein Obama all the time? Mostly racist. People who promoted and believed the Kenyan Birth conspiracy theory? Mostly racist. That conspiracy theory would not have gained any traction if Obama was white. Guaranteed.

I knew there was a reason I ignored most of your posts.

Yep. You hate having to deal wth reality.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[wmw999 2,447]

Since several million people more voted for HRC than for DJT, it’s probably not accurate to say they were all sleeping. They were outmaneuvered. I’m not sure that treating our democracy like a game, to pick at the rules to get the outcome desired by some, is the most honest approach. And yes, of course the Dems would do it too. The original Gerry was a Democrat-Relublican in 1812. It’s not a new concept. But it’s chickenshit, like thinking you got away with something cheating on a test where you didn’t actually know the answers.

There are a lot of smugly superior lefties. Oddly enough, the same goes for righties.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Who posted that and please post the whole thread..

RushMC: I've never seen X
Billvon: Here is X posted by user HWT
RushMC: Who posted that? Post the whole thing; I can't be bothered to search. CHERRY PICK!

It must be an easy way to live, never having to admit you're wrong.

I still ask you to back up what you post. But you usually won't do it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

You mean an alternate reality

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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If Russia interfered but it had no effect, it is not 'just a distraction'. It is a major issue which needs fully investigating to find out what safeguards need to be put in place for the future.

I think you are going to see an uptick in GOP rambling about Russian interference and how it is happening in the 2018 mid-terms.

Should there be significant gains by Ds in these mid-terms it will give the current administration a perfect excuse not to recognize the results. Until a full decade long investigation is completed of course.

[airdvr 210]

wmw999

Since several million people more voted for HRC than for DJT, it’s probably not accurate to say they were all sleeping. They were outmaneuvered. I’m not sure that treating our democracy like a game, to pick at the rules to get the outcome desired by some, is the most honest approach. And yes, of course the Dems would do it too. The original Gerry was a Democrat-Relublican in 1812. It’s not a new concept. But it’s chickenshit, like thinking you got away with something cheating on a test where you didn’t actually know the answers.

There are a lot of smugly superior lefties. Oddly enough, the same goes for righties.

Wendy P.

Possibly...but to completely dismiss the effect of the MSM on Democrats and the polarizing personality of HRC wouldn't be accurate as well.

Please don't dent the planet.

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