GeorgiaDon 362 #26 February 8, 2018 QuoteShe's trying to protect illegal immigrants, got it. You've got to admit they're pretty resourceful, though. Five years old, and all on their own they scraped up the money to pay some coyote to smuggle them across the desert and into the USA, just so they could sponge off our overly generous ...what? Educational system? Medical benefits? In more civilized nations, they consider kids who get dragged into situations involving broken laws to be victims, not perpetrators. And, in more civilized nations, they don't punish people for things that were done to them as children. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,363 #27 February 8, 2018 Hi nolhtairt, Quoteillegal immigrants While they might technically be illegal, those that were brought here as children by their parents, do not meet my definition of an 'illegal immigrant.' Jerry Baumchen PS) Would you deport Trump's wife? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #28 February 8, 2018 nolhtairt You want annoying? Try Nancy Pelosi spewing shit about dreamers and DACA for EIGHT hours on the Senate floor. JFC, lady... 1-2 hours would have sufficed to make your damn point. HOUSE, not Senate.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #29 February 8, 2018 Quote nolhtairt You want annoying? Try Nancy Pelosi spewing shit about dreamers and DACA for EIGHT hours on the Senate floor. JFC, lady... 1-2 hours would have sufficed to make your damn point. Senate? Forget it, he's rolling. (not a direct quote, but what I changed it to fits better )"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #30 February 9, 2018 billvon>She's trying to protect illegal immigrants, got it. No wonder they're annoyed. Good. I hope they stay annoyed until they extend DACA. FIFY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolhtairt 0 #31 February 9, 2018 winsor***>She's trying to protect illegal immigrants, got it. No wonder they're annoyed. Good. I hope they stay annoyed until they extend DACA. FIFY Where's the like button? I get the argument it wasn't the kids' fault their parents brought them in illegally. Doesn't give them an excuse. Send the kids back WITH the parents, and a referral to the legal immigration process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #32 February 9, 2018 >I get the argument it wasn't the kids' fault their parents brought them in illegally. >Doesn't give them an excuse. Nope. But it does mean that they are innocent of any crimes. In my book, you aren't punished for things that you didn't do. I know that flies in the face of everything the GOP stands for, but hey . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolhtairt 0 #33 February 9, 2018 billvon >I get the argument it wasn't the kids' fault their parents brought them in illegally. >Doesn't give them an excuse. Nope. But it does mean that they are innocent of any crimes. In my book, you aren't punished for things that you didn't do. I know that flies in the face of everything the GOP stands for, but hey . . . So, keep the kids and send the parents back? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #34 February 9, 2018 >So, keep the kids and send the parents back? Give them the choice. They are better at deciding what works for their family than a bureaucrat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,192 #35 February 9, 2018 QuoteI get the argument it wasn't the kids' fault their parents brought them in illegally. Doesn't give them an excuse. Send the kids back WITH the parents, and a referral to the legal immigration process. And that pretty much sums up the inherent meanness, based in fear and loathing, of the right wing.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #36 February 9, 2018 nolhtairtI get the argument it wasn't the kids' fault their parents brought them in illegally. Doesn't give them an excuse. Send the kids back WITH the parents, and a referral to the legal immigration process. What "legal immigration process" are you talking about? There isn't one. That door was slammed shut a number of years ago. The very basic idea of the "unwashed immigrant", coming to the US and working hard for a better life has been shut down. At least legally. The illegals (Mexican, Central American, Chinese, ect) are still doing that and trying to reach the "American Dream" (some successfully). Just not legally."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #37 February 9, 2018 The most impressive thing about it so far is sending someone "back" to a country they don't know. After 30 years of creating a life and becoming a major contributor to our society, the government deports them to a country they know nothing of, haven't lived in, have no relatives, no job, nothing, while the rest of their family sits here in the US lost and abandoned. This should work rather well in the efforts to reduce terrorism and the Latin gangs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #38 February 9, 2018 normissThe most impressive thing about it so far is sending someone "back" to a country they don't know. After 30 years of creating a life and becoming a major contributor to our society, the government deports them to a country they know nothing of, haven't lived in, have no relatives, no job, nothing, while the rest of their family sits here in the US lost and abandoned. This should work rather well in the efforts to reduce terrorism and the Latin gangs. And "Paying Taxes". Don't forget that part. Supposedly, "Dreamers" contribute something like $2,000,000,000 (that's two billion) in federal, state and local taxes every year. But Trump and the Rs have made it pretty clear that they don't need no stinkin' tax revenue."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #39 February 9, 2018 How and when do we file bankruptcy as a nation? That's all but guaranteed at this point, just a matter of time. The stock market, interest rates and job numbers are already showing the typical warning signs of that.... I'm also very curious how we sue the government when they steal our money from social security. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,192 #40 February 9, 2018 QuoteHow and when do we file bankruptcy as a nation? You don't. As the issuer of the dominant currency in the world you do what you did when it was time to pay the debt from the Vietnam adventure. You use inflation to devalue your outstanding paper.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #41 February 10, 2018 Yup. I should have used the /r. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Church 7 #42 February 10, 2018 nolhtairt You want annoying? Try Nancy Pelosi spewing shit about dreamers and DACA for EIGHT hours on the Senate floor. JFC, lady... 1-2 hours would have sufficed to make your damn point. Well, they're so good at showing their gratitude towards her. http://kron4.com/2017/09/18/young-immigrants-shout-down-democratic-leader-nancy-pelosi-in-san-francisco/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
