The Christian values Thread

[Phil1111 1,149]

I'll start by saying I know many Christians with the highest values. They seem befuddled by the whole concept of telling a lie. A holiday to them is going off to a little dips**t country to help build schools ,install power and dig wells,etc. They give stunning amounts of money to charity.

Then there is Roy Moore, Donald trump and the many:
"Televangelists Need Private Jets Because ‘Demons’ Fly Commercial
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/01/televangelists-need-private-jets-because-demons-fly-commercial/#y52JmQmbRCir89xl.99

Roy Moore;
Jimmy Kimmel is ready to take on U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/01/media/jimmy-kimmel-roy-moore/index.html

Evangelicals were with Trump in 2016, and will be in 2020
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/362724-evangelicals-were-with-trump-in-2016-and-will-be-in-2020

[rifleman 70]

The more I hear about Televangelists in the US, the more I think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0QCHYWGjwQ

Atheism is a Non-Prophet Organisation

[normiss 800]

Current attitude of the christian sharia law:

Racism, we’re okay with that.
Child rape, check!
Crack sold to black People, hell yeah!
Trump playing golf on taxpayer dime, why not?
More coal mines, more black lung, meh.
Marijuana, oh hell no!

[gowlerk 2,192]

rifleman

The more I hear about Televangelists in the US, the more I think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0QCHYWGjwQ

Religious leaders have always been confidence men. (And they are nearly always men) People generally think of prostitution as the oldest profession. But I think priest or shaman is. The best religions do not have full time paid leaders. They have elders who share the duties of leadership for no monetary reward.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[quade 4]

Read a fascinating book lately called, "Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire: A 500-Year History" by Kurt Andersen.

The premise of the book are the lies we tell ourselves about various aspects of American life and religion is a huge part of it. Specifically, religion as practiced in America and how people are encouraged to "believe" virtually anything they want to, which opens up the floodgates for charlatans and hucksters.

I have LONG maintained that the US is a country where virtually everyone has their thumb on the scale in one way or another.

I have no problem with "small" religion. Hey, whatever gets you through your pain probably is helpful.

What I intensely HATE with every fiber of my being is "big" religion which preys on those who pray.

Televangelists can properly go fuck themselves. EVERY DAMN ONE OF THEM.

Politicians who use religion as both a shield and weapon can go fuck themselves.

Criminals who use religion to justify their actions can go fuck themselves.

Busybodies who want to tell me what to do with my life because of their religion can go fuck themselves.

Idiots who deny science and progress because they believe god will sort it out can go fuck themselves.

It's not religion I have a problem with, it's mostly the people.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[ryoder 1,590]

rifleman

The more I hear about Televangelists in the US, the more I think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0QCHYWGjwQ

Marjoe Gortner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marjoe_Gortner

He was raised by an evangelist family and became an ordained minister at the age of four. Then at the age of 27 he invited a film crew to travel with him and showed them exactly how the evangelical business really worked. The result:

"Marjoe"(1972): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068924/

You could say he burned that bridge behind him in a hell of a bonfire. It is a must-see.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[rifleman 70]

ryoder

***The more I hear about Televangelists in the US, the more I think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0QCHYWGjwQ

Marjoe Gortner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marjoe_Gortner

He was raised by an evangelist family and became an ordained minister at the age of four. Then at the age of 27 he invited a film crew to travel with him and showed them exactly how the evangelical business really worked. The result:

"Marjoe"(1972): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068924/

You could say he burned that bridge behind him in a hell of a bonfire. It is a must-see.

Have ordered a copy through Amazon. Can't wait to watch it.

Atheism is a Non-Prophet Organisation

[Phil1111 1,149]

rifleman

******The more I hear about Televangelists in the US, the more I think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0QCHYWGjwQ

Marjoe Gortner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marjoe_Gortner

He was raised by an evangelist family and became an ordained minister at the age of four. Then at the age of 27 he invited a film crew to travel with him and showed them exactly how the evangelical business really worked. The result:

"Marjoe"(1972): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068924/

You could say he burned that bridge behind him in a hell of a bonfire. It is a must-see.

Have ordered a copy through Amazon. Can't wait to watch it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVLmKO26Emg

[gowlerk 2,192]

There's no business like show business.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[kallend 2,027]

gowlerk

There's no business like show business.

Follow the money.

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[tkhayes 348]

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I'll start by saying I know many Christians with the highest values. They seem befuddled by the whole concept of telling a lie. A holiday to them is going off to a little dips**t country to help build schools ,install power and dig wells,etc. They give stunning amounts of money to charity.

I'll start by saying I know many non-Christians, atheists, agnostics, humanists with the highest values. They seem befuddled by the whole concept of telling a lie. A holiday to them is going off to a little dips**t country to help build schools ,install power and dig wells,etc. They give stunning amounts of money to charity.

[Niki1 1]

Gory jee to Besus.

Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done.
Louis D Brandeis

Where are we going and why are we in this basket?

[smiles 0]

“the best existential analysis of the human condition leads directly into the problems of God and faith”
Ernest Becker, The Denial of Death

eustress. : a positive form of stress having a beneficial effect on health, motivation, performance, and emotional well-being.

[piisfish 140]

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scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

[RonD1120 62]

I have thought about this thread since the OP and believed a response was appropriate. The reason is that I see the premise of the OP as false. The main point was Christian values are misplaced. I disagree because Christian values are more personal and individual than social. Oddly enough, a divine manifestation maybe, an article in Zion's Fire magazine, a division of Zion's Hope Ministry, appeared in the current issue to address this subject. Therefore I shall borrow heavily from the author David Ettinger in my response.

First, we are involved in a culture war. It is a war between us and them. “Us” is defined as God, His Son Jesus Christ and His Holy Word, the Bible. “Them” refers to Satan, the Prince of Power of this world and his demonic spiritual minions. To the Christian, culture is the world system orderd, lorded over and controlled by Satan.

Christian values are expressed in terms of how we should conduct ourselves as individuals not participation is Satan's world system.
1. Do not conform. Be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
2. Be aware. Spiritually feed yourself on all things good and pure. Read your Bible daily.
3. Be compassionate. Never consider anyone unworthy of hearing the Truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Christians are in this world but not part of it. We are not to surrender to Satan's cultural rules. We are to stand against them. We are a “chosen generation, a peculiar people.” The world naturally hates us because of what we believe, that is our faith in Christ.

As Christians we do not fight the culture war. We should only stand by our Holy Spirit guided conscience. Satan controls the culture and the battle is in the heavenly realms. Our mission is only to proclaim the “Good News” of Jesus Christ. As Christians we may not all agree on all things. Some of us are liberal and some conservative. All of us are centered on Christ as the Truth, the Way and the Life for all eternity. Those are our values.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[normiss 800]

This is how christians can support treasonous Trump, Pence, Flynn, and child molesters like Moore.
All they have to do is say gawd is my man!
And the christian blinders are up.

Us vs. Them my ass. Selective hatred is what it is. Which most normal people might consider sinful and of this fantasy devil you refer to.

[theplummeter 15]

Ron,

I have two real questions for you:

Is God omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent?

Did anything exist before God created it?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

RonD1120

I have thought about this thread since the OP and believed a response was appropriate. The reason is that I see the premise of the OP as false. The main point was Christian values are misplaced. I disagree because Christian values are more personal and individual than social...

Really?

You don't think your values as a "Christian" should impact how you treat others?

You think that because "culture is...controlled by Satan" that you can treat others in any way you please?

Does the idea of a "culture war" mean that others who haven't "found Jesus" hate you and you can do to them what you wish?

Helpful hint: Many people don't hate "Christians" because of what they believe", they are hated because of their hypocrisy - Look at Ray Moore. Sexual predator, liar, all around "scoundrel", yet loudly proclaims his "faith". Clearly a "CINO".

Or should you actually follow the teachings of Christ? And treat others in the way He suggests?

ALL others, not just the ones who look like you and think like you? As Jesus suggests.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[RonD1120 62]

theplummeter

Ron,

I have two real questions for you:

Is God omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent?

Did anything exist before God created it?

There is no reference to God being omnibenevolent. God is not fair. God is just.

The third part of the triad is omnipresent.

It is the Judeo-Christian belief that nothing existed before God. So, where did God come from? He is the I am that I am. He is the Alpha and the Omega.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

wolfriverjoe

***I have thought about this thread since the OP and believed a response was appropriate. The reason is that I see the premise of the OP as false. The main point was Christian values are misplaced. I disagree because Christian values are more personal and individual than social...

Really?

You don't think your values as a "Christian" should impact how you treat others?

You think that because "culture is...controlled by Satan" that you can treat others in any way you please?

Does the idea of a "culture war" mean that others who haven't "found Jesus" hate you and you can do to them what you wish?

Helpful hint: Many people don't hate "Christians" because of what they believe", they are hated because of their hypocrisy - Look at Ray Moore. Sexual predator, liar, all around "scoundrel", yet loudly proclaims his "faith". Clearly a "CINO".

Or should you actually follow the teachings of Christ? And treat others in the way He suggests?

ALL others, not just the ones who look like you and think like you? As Jesus suggests.

How did you come up with that?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Phil1111 1,149]

RonD1120

***Ron,

I have two real questions for you:

Is God omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent?

Did anything exist before God created it?

There is no reference to God being omnibenevolent. God is not fair. God is just.

The third part of the triad is omnipresent.

It is the Judeo-Christian belief that nothing existed before God. So, where did God come from? He is the I am that I am. He is the Alpha and the Omega.

https://www.gotquestions.org/God-omnibenevolent.html

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2013/05/08/3754498.htm

American Values Are Not Necessarily Christian Values
https://www.westernseminary.edu/transformedblog/2015/01/28/american-values-are-not-necessarily-christian-values/

for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap

"the results of this research increasingly suggests that the Religious Right played at least some role in America’s declining religiosity. ..

The results of Hout and Fischer’s analysis were congruent with their hypothesis, though given the limitations of their methods, one could reasonably claim that they failed to decisively prove their case. But in the subsequent decade and a half, additional research has further strengthened their argument. American Grace, by Robert Putnam and David Campbell, for example, argued that declining levels of religious affiliation can be partly attributed to the Christian Right. A subsequent study by Hout and Fischer provided similar results. "
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-the-religious-right-to-blame-for-christianitys-decline/

[ryoder 1,590]

rifleman

The more I hear about Televangelists in the US, the more I think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0QCHYWGjwQ

Bwahaha! Learned some trivia about that video;
Watch the first 60 seconds of it, then watch the first 60 seconds of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcb2lion5qs

Also, compare the toupée worn by both.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[lippy 918]

John Oliver's Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrwOLITIe7U

I got nuthin

[theplummeter 15]

RonD1120

***Ron,

I have two real questions for you:

Is God omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent?

Did anything exist before God created it?

There is no reference to God being omnibenevolent. God is not fair. God is just.

The third part of the triad is omnipresent.

It is the Judeo-Christian belief that nothing existed before God. So, where did God come from? He is the I am that I am. He is the Alpha and the Omega.

If God is truly all powerful and doesn’t want Satan to fool us, then why doesn’t he do anything to stop him, and why did he create him in the first place?

[RonD1120 62]

theplummeter

******Ron,

I have two real questions for you:

Is God omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent?

Did anything exist before God created it?

There is no reference to God being omnibenevolent. God is not fair. God is just.

The third part of the triad is omnipresent.

It is the Judeo-Christian belief that nothing existed before God. So, where did God come from? He is the I am that I am. He is the Alpha and the Omega.

If God is truly all powerful and doesn’t want Satan to fool us, then why doesn’t he do anything to stop him, and why did he create him in the first place?

God will stop Satan in His time. He gave us free will to choose Him. Through Jesus the Christ He gave us a path to experience Him, now and for all eternity.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.