Real Time with Bill Maher 2018-09-28

[ryoder 1,590]

Guests tonight:
- Steve Bannon
- April Ryan
- Evelyn Farkas
- Max Brooks (son of Mel)
- Neil deGrasse Tyson

I'm guessing Bannon will only do the one-on-one interview after the monologue, but oh how I'd like to see him arguing with Neil in the panel discussion!

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[ryoder 1,590]

Why evangelicals support Trump, explained beautifully by Bill Maher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dfAd0IglrA

Trump is not a political leader to them; He is a religious leader, to people who have been trained to trust faith over reasoning.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[RonD1120 62]

ryoder

Why evangelicals support Trump, explained beautifully by Bill Maher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dfAd0IglrA

Trump is not a political leader to them; He is a religious leader, to people who have been trained to trust faith over reasoning.

I disagree. I do not see President Trump as any type of religious leader. I see him as a successful businessman that understands and rejects the political playing field, especially the Swamp. He understands marketing and promotion. He understands that in negotiation the object is to create a profit margin. He believes that America should be a country where individuals have the opportunity to succeed to the level of happiness that can achieve. I see him desiring to hold America up as a country where foreign nationals should earn the right to live and work here by following the rule of law. I see him as the instrument needed to dismantle the machinations, suppression and intolerable demands of the left.

I know of no one that considers President Trump as a religious leader. However, we believe that he was chosen by divine favor as the man for this season for the benefit of America.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,489]

RonD1120

I see him as a successful businessman that understands and rejects the political playing field, especially the Swamp.

Who are you lying to, us or yourself?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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RonD1120

He understands that in negotiation the object is to create a profit margin.

You're talking completely out of your ass; you've not a clue about that which you're talking.

RonD1120

He believes that America should be a country where individuals have the opportunity to succeed to the level of happiness that can achieve.

Anyone paying attention knows that's 180 degrees from accurate.

RonD1120

However, we believe that he was chosen by divine favor as the man for this season for the benefit of America.

In other words, you consider him a religious leader, empowered divinely.

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[Phil1111 1,149]

I put some meat on the bones of your representations.

jcd11235

***He understands that in negotiation the object is to create a profit margin.

You're talking completely out of your ass; you've not a clue about that which you're talking.

Fourth Time's A Charm: How Donald Trump Made Bankruptcy Work For Him

https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2011/04/29/fourth-times-a-charm-how-donald-trump-made-bankruptcy-work-for-him/#64700f527ffa

The myth and the reality of Donald Trump’s business empire
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/29/the-myth-and-the-reality-of-donald-trumps-business-empire/?utm_term=.1acd56dfb71e

RonD1120

He believes that America should be a country where individuals have the opportunity to succeed to the level of happiness that can achieve.

Anyone paying attention knows that's 180 degrees from accurate.

Inequality Is Rising Across the Globe — and Skyrocketing in the U.S.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/12/inequality-is-rising-globally-and-soaring-in-the-u-s.html

How do US taxes compare internationally?
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-do-us-taxes-compare-internationally
"Total US tax revenue equaled 26 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), well below the 34 percent average for developed countries "

Trump's Corporate Tax Slash Ignores How Little Companies Already Pay
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/04/24/trumps-corporate-tax-slash-ignores-how-litte-companies-already-pay/#418809d158aa

RonD1120

However, we believe that he was chosen by divine favor as the man for this season for the benefit of America.

In other words, you consider him a religious leader, empowered divinely.

Evangelical Fear Elected Trump
The history of evangelicalism in America is shot through with fear—but it also contains an alternative.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/06/a-history-of-evangelical-fear/563558/




The last story explains the thinking of evangelicals well. I know Ron states that he is not a "evangelical". And I prod him with a stick repeatedly with that designation. Just for fun at his expense. But IMO the Christian American tribe is painted with the same white coat of paint, by trump.

What the last story lies about, is fear. It describes the true motivations of fear in their use of the bible. Its use of fear by its leaders. All appropriate and correct.

But it ends the article with a lie.

"But other evangelical options are available. Evangelicals are people of hope, not fear. The practice of Christian hope points us to a life beyond this world, but it also requires us to act in such a way that models God’s coming kingdom. The Kingdom of God is characterized by the love of enemies, the welcoming of strangers, the belief in the human dignity of all people, a humble and self-sacrificial posture toward public life, and a trust in the sovereign God of the universe. Fear is a natural human response to social change, but evangelicals betray their deepest spiritual convictions when they choose to dwell in it."

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RonD1120

***Why evangelicals support Trump, explained beautifully by Bill Maher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dfAd0IglrA

Trump is not a political leader to them; He is a religious leader, to people who have been trained to trust faith over reasoning.

I disagree. I do not see President Trump as any type of religious leader. I see him as a successful businessman that understands and rejects the political playing field, especially the Swamp. He understands marketing and promotion. He understands that in negotiation the object is to create a profit margin. He believes that America should be a country where individuals have the opportunity to succeed to the level of happiness that can achieve. I see him desiring to hold America up as a country where foreign nationals should earn the right to live and work here by following the rule of law. I see him as the instrument needed to dismantle the machinations, suppression and intolerable demands of the left.

I know of no one that considers President Trump as a religious leader. However, we believe that he was chosen by divine favor as the man for this season for the benefit of America.

Thanks for proving his point.

You completely ignore objective truth because of what you want to believe.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[billvon 2,991]

>You're talking completely out of your ass

Your one warning. Cut it out.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

RonD1120

***Why evangelicals support Trump, explained beautifully by Bill Maher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dfAd0IglrA

Trump is not a political leader to them; He is a religious leader, to people who have been trained to trust faith over reasoning.

I disagree. I do not see President Trump as any type of religious leader. I see him as a successful businessman that understands and rejects the political playing field, especially the Swamp. He understands marketing and promotion. He understands that in negotiation the object is to create a profit margin. He believes that America should be a country where individuals have the opportunity to succeed to the level of happiness that can achieve. I see him desiring to hold America up as a country where foreign nationals should earn the right to live and work here by following the rule of law. I see him as the instrument needed to dismantle the machinations, suppression and intolerable demands of the left.

I know of no one that considers President Trump as a religious leader. However, we believe that he was chosen by divine favor as the man for this season for the benefit of America.

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I see him as the instrument needed to dismantle the machinations, suppression and intolerable demands of the left.

Those are some fancy sounding claims. Surely, unless it was just more conservative hyperbole or evidence of Christian paranoia, you have at least a few specific examples for each of the three categories.

Please illuminate those of us on the perfidious left with your examples.

[gowlerk 2,190]

So, let me get this straight. You believe that God send Trump to the oval office? Not as a sick joke but as a favour to your nation? But that Satan is responsible for all the Democrats who have held that office. At least since Clinton.

Too bad your God is so feeble. That's not a very good success rate for an all powerful being.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

JoeWeber

******Why evangelicals support Trump, explained beautifully by Bill Maher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dfAd0IglrA

Trump is not a political leader to them; He is a religious leader, to people who have been trained to trust faith over reasoning.

I disagree. I do not see President Trump as any type of religious leader. I see him as a successful businessman that understands and rejects the political playing field, especially the Swamp. He understands marketing and promotion. He understands that in negotiation the object is to create a profit margin. He believes that America should be a country where individuals have the opportunity to succeed to the level of happiness that can achieve. I see him desiring to hold America up as a country where foreign nationals should earn the right to live and work here by following the rule of law. I see him as the instrument needed to dismantle the machinations, suppression and intolerable demands of the left.

I know of no one that considers President Trump as a religious leader. However, we believe that he was chosen by divine favor as the man for this season for the benefit of America.

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I see him as the instrument needed to dismantle the machinations, suppression and intolerable demands of the left.

Those are some fancy sounding claims. Surely, unless it was just more conservative hyperbole or evidence of Christian paranoia, you have at least a few specific examples for each of the three categories.

Please illuminate those of us on the perfidious left with your examples.

Come on, Ron. No more pretending you are taking quality time with your wife when hard questions come your way. You watch SC like a hawk.

Answer the questions or admit you are a fraud.

[RonD1120 62]

I state what I believe. I share, you, collectively, attack. It is what it is.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,489]

RonD1120

I state what I believe. I share, you, collectively, attack. It is what it is.

What you just 'shared' contained an attack.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

RonD1120

I state what I believe. I share, you, collectively, attack. It is what it is.

Baloney.

You "share" things that are deliberately provocative, and then whine and cry that you are 'attacked' when the ridiculousness of what you post is pointed out.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Phil1111 1,149]

wolfriverjoe

***I state what I believe. I share, you, collectively, attack. It is what it is.

Baloney.

You "share" things that are deliberately provocative, and then whine and cry that you are 'attacked' when the ridiculousness of what you post is pointed out.

IMO Ron dosn't whine and cry. In addition its wrong for him to view pointed objections of his ideas as attacks. He posts ideas that are inconsistent with the views of Jesus. trump and current republican policy is diametrically opposed to those of Jesus.

Ron has explained his position clearly. Immigration, taxes, expanded social programs at the expense or direction of the state. Supersede the ideas and teachings of Jesus Christ.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

RonD1120

I state what I believe. I share, you, collectively, attack. It is what it is.

Saying words you cannot defend or explain is not stating what you believe unless what you believe has no meaning. Accusing progressive liberals (I'll take your label for convenience) of machinations, suppression and intolerable demands are serious claims. The claims suggest perfidious intrigue, a complete disregard for the rights of others and a continuing fundamental unfairness. Those are hardly traits of progressive liberals.

Going no deeper than the stolen Merrick Garland seat and the Brett Kavanaugh nomination I'd say that the words machinations, suppression and intolerable demands describe the process nicely.

I also believe that were you to attempt to put definition to your claims you would need to bare the fullness of what you truly believe and show yourself to be a tool of conservative hyperbole, christian paranoia and, consequently, a fraud.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

JoeWeber

***I state what I believe. I share, you, collectively, attack. It is what it is.

Saying words you cannot defend or explain is not stating what you believe unless what you believe has no meaning. Accusing progressive liberals (I'll take your label for convenience) of machinations, suppression and intolerable demands are serious claims. The claims suggest perfidious intrigue, a complete disregard for the rights of others and a continuing fundamental unfairness. Those are hardly traits of progressive liberals.

Going no deeper than the stolen Merrick Garland seat and the Brett Kavanaugh nomination I'd say that the words machinations, suppression and intolerable demands describe the process nicely.

I also believe that were you to attempt to put definition to your claims you would need to bare the fullness of what you truly believe and show yourself to be a tool of conservative hyperbole, christian paranoia and, consequently, a fraud.

Some try to tell me, thoughts they can not defend
Just what you want to be, you will be in the end

[RonD1120 62]

wolfriverjoe

***I state what I believe. I share, you, collectively, attack. It is what it is.

Baloney.

You "share" things that are deliberately provocative, and then whine and cry that you are 'attacked' when the ridiculousness of what you post is pointed out.

I agree with your first statement. I am provocative without a doubt. My Christian way of life is in direct opposition to your path.

My use of the word attack is in the context of the teachings in A Course In Miracles. My fault there, you would have no way of knowing that.

ACIM teaches that the ego exists in a state of ignorance, conflict, and fear. Its natural state is to defend and attack.

The responses I receive here are beneficial to my spiritual growth. Thus, no offense is taken. As I stated before, it is what it is.

ETA: A word of caution here. I do not recommend ACIM as a first book of study for non-Christians. It was written by a doctor and has a multitude of good teachings. However, unless one is grounded in the Word, in Christ, and guided by the Holy Spirit the work can lead you astray. Your first step should always be surrender to Jesus the Christ.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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My Christian way of life is in direct opposition to your path.

What is different about the way you actually live that is so different from the other Americans in this forum? I would put it to you that your way of living is the same as other men of your age and social status. Only your way of thinking is different.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[RonD1120 62]

JoeWeber

******I state what I believe. I share, you, collectively, attack. It is what it is.

Saying words you cannot defend or explain is not stating what you believe unless what you believe has no meaning. Accusing progressive liberals (I'll take your label for convenience) of machinations, suppression and intolerable demands are serious claims. The claims suggest perfidious intrigue, a complete disregard for the rights of others and a continuing fundamental unfairness. Those are hardly traits of progressive liberals.

Going no deeper than the stolen Merrick Garland seat and the Brett Kavanaugh nomination I'd say that the words machinations, suppression and intolerable demands describe the process nicely.

I also believe that were you to attempt to put definition to your claims you would need to bare the fullness of what you truly believe and show yourself to be a tool of conservative hyperbole, christian paranoia and, consequently, a fraud.

Some try to tell me, thoughts they can not defend
Just what you want to be, you will be in the end

A fraud? The folks I associate with on a daily basis take me as genuine, AFAIK.

Defense is not my purpose. I share personal thoughts and beliefs. That is all. You are relatively new to my postings. In the beginning, almost a decade ago, I attempted to explain everything. That exercise was futile. It only created more attacks relating to minor points. The concepts become mired in the web of intellectual confusion.

I like your last little verse. I am living in eternity with Christ Jesus led by the Holy Spirit climbing and stumbling upward to the infinite with God, the Creator. It is supernatural. It is a path with battles fought in love.

What is your fantasy of your end?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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gowlerk

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My Christian way of life is in direct opposition to your path.

What is different about the way you actually live that is so different from the other Americans in this forum? I would put it to you that your way of living is the same as other men of your age and social status. Only your way of thinking is different.

Thinking vs. living, to me same same.

I live in a Christian enclave, surrounding by like thinking people. We share basically the same values. We support one another. We believe we will go on forever.

Our goal is to invite others to join us. Some will and some won't. A long time ago another spiritual pilgrim told me that given any significant people group only about 2% will accept Jesus and salvation in Christ. So far I have found that to be consistent with my experience. Therefore, I am a counselor, not an evangelist.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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A long time ago another spiritual pilgrim told me that given any significant people group only about 2% will accept Jesus and salvation in Christ.

That's a better conversion rate than the "Church of God Skydive" enjoys.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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gowlerk

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A long time ago another spiritual pilgrim told me that given any significant people group only about 2% will accept Jesus and salvation in Christ.

That's a better conversion rate than the "Church of God Skydive" enjoys.

Interestingly, when the Christian Skydivers Association finally waned we had about 750 members. That was right at 2% of the membership of the USPA at the time.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Defense is not my purpose.

No, attack is.

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I share personal thoughts and beliefs.

And attack the people that don't share them.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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My Christian way of life is in direct opposition to your path

Ron, why does it have to be opposition? Does that make the delineation stronger? Your way of life stands on its own, without needing to be supported by opposing others.

Once you define yourself by others, you’re giving them power over you. And you’re not leading by example anymore.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)