Real Time with Bill Maher 2018-09-28

[JoeWeber 2,720]

RonD1120

*********I state what I believe. I share, you, collectively, attack. It is what it is.

Saying words you cannot defend or explain is not stating what you believe unless what you believe has no meaning. Accusing progressive liberals (I'll take your label for convenience) of machinations, suppression and intolerable demands are serious claims. The claims suggest perfidious intrigue, a complete disregard for the rights of others and a continuing fundamental unfairness. Those are hardly traits of progressive liberals.

Going no deeper than the stolen Merrick Garland seat and the Brett Kavanaugh nomination I'd say that the words machinations, suppression and intolerable demands describe the process nicely.

I also believe that were you to attempt to put definition to your claims you would need to bare the fullness of what you truly believe and show yourself to be a tool of conservative hyperbole, christian paranoia and, consequently, a fraud.

Some try to tell me, thoughts they can not defend
Just what you want to be, you will be in the end

A fraud? The folks I associate with on a daily basis take me as genuine, AFAIK.

Defense is not my purpose. I share personal thoughts and beliefs. That is all. You are relatively new to my postings. In the beginning, almost a decade ago, I attempted to explain everything. That exercise was futile. It only created more attacks relating to minor points. The concepts become mired in the web of intellectual confusion.

I like your last little verse. I am living in eternity with Christ Jesus led by the Holy Spirit climbing and stumbling upward to the infinite with God, the Creator. It is supernatural. It is a path with battles fought in love.

What is your fantasy of your end?

You often quote the bible, not wanting to seem completely illiterate, I quoted the Moody Blue's.

I have no end times fantasy as you, now admittedly, do. I face annihilation at the end of my life. What composes my corporeal form will decay into it's tiniest bits, once again becoming raw material available for use in the natural universe.

The truth of things is far more elegant and, in it's finality, comforting for me than your ever changing, recently reinterpreted, A Course in Miracles will help you on your path to understanding religion.

You might just give it a try.

[RonD1120 62]

JoeWeber

************I state what I believe. I share, you, collectively, attack. It is what it is.

Saying words you cannot defend or explain is not stating what you believe unless what you believe has no meaning. Accusing progressive liberals (I'll take your label for convenience) of machinations, suppression and intolerable demands are serious claims. The claims suggest perfidious intrigue, a complete disregard for the rights of others and a continuing fundamental unfairness. Those are hardly traits of progressive liberals.

Going no deeper than the stolen Merrick Garland seat and the Brett Kavanaugh nomination I'd say that the words machinations, suppression and intolerable demands describe the process nicely.

I also believe that were you to attempt to put definition to your claims you would need to bare the fullness of what you truly believe and show yourself to be a tool of conservative hyperbole, christian paranoia and, consequently, a fraud.

Some try to tell me, thoughts they can not defend
Just what you want to be, you will be in the end

A fraud? The folks I associate with on a daily basis take me as genuine, AFAIK.

Defense is not my purpose. I share personal thoughts and beliefs. That is all. You are relatively new to my postings. In the beginning, almost a decade ago, I attempted to explain everything. That exercise was futile. It only created more attacks relating to minor points. The concepts become mired in the web of intellectual confusion.

I like your last little verse. I am living in eternity with Christ Jesus led by the Holy Spirit climbing and stumbling upward to the infinite with God, the Creator. It is supernatural. It is a path with battles fought in love.

What is your fantasy of your end?

You often quote the bible, not wanting to seem completely illiterate, I quoted the Moody Blue's.

I have no end times fantasy as you, now admittedly, do. I face annihilation at the end of my life. What composes my corporeal form will decay into it's tiniest bits, once again becoming raw material available for use in the natural universe.

The truth of things is far more elegant and, in it's finality, comforting for me than your ever changing, recently reinterpreted, A Course in Miracles will help you on your path to understanding religion.

You might just give it a try.

You see death, but I see life.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

wmw999

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My Christian way of life is in direct opposition to your path

Ron, why does it have to be opposition? Does that make the delineation stronger? Your way of life stands on its own, without needing to be supported by opposing others.

Once you define yourself by others, you’re giving them power over you. And you’re not leading by example anymore.

Wendy P.

I accept them; they oppose me.

As always, I posted my opinion regarding the OP's position that President Trump was viewed as a religious leader by evangelicals.

And just like that, the left made it personal.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 2,991]

>I accept them; they oppose me.

You just said that your Christian way of life is in direct opposition to their path. You regularly list all the ways you oppose those evil progressive liberals.

[jakee 1,490]

RonD1120

As always, I posted my opinion regarding the OP's position that President Trump was viewed as a religious leader by evangelicals.

And just like that, the left made it personal.

"I see him as the instrument needed to dismantle the machinations, suppression and intolerable demands of the left."

That's what you posted, Ron. A direct attack on the people you're now whining about attacking you. To describe your original post as simply about Trump's leadership is blatantly dishonest.

The question (again) is whether you're lying to us or to yourself as well.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[JoeWeber 2,720]

RonD1120

***************I state what I believe. I share, you, collectively, attack. It is what it is.

Saying words you cannot defend or explain is not stating what you believe unless what you believe has no meaning. Accusing progressive liberals (I'll take your label for convenience) of machinations, suppression and intolerable demands are serious claims. The claims suggest perfidious intrigue, a complete disregard for the rights of others and a continuing fundamental unfairness. Those are hardly traits of progressive liberals.

Going no deeper than the stolen Merrick Garland seat and the Brett Kavanaugh nomination I'd say that the words machinations, suppression and intolerable demands describe the process nicely.

I also believe that were you to attempt to put definition to your claims you would need to bare the fullness of what you truly believe and show yourself to be a tool of conservative hyperbole, christian paranoia and, consequently, a fraud.

Some try to tell me, thoughts they can not defend
Just what you want to be, you will be in the end

A fraud? The folks I associate with on a daily basis take me as genuine, AFAIK.

Defense is not my purpose. I share personal thoughts and beliefs. That is all. You are relatively new to my postings. In the beginning, almost a decade ago, I attempted to explain everything. That exercise was futile. It only created more attacks relating to minor points. The concepts become mired in the web of intellectual confusion.

I like your last little verse. I am living in eternity with Christ Jesus led by the Holy Spirit climbing and stumbling upward to the infinite with God, the Creator. It is supernatural. It is a path with battles fought in love.

What is your fantasy of your end?

You often quote the bible, not wanting to seem completely illiterate, I quoted the Moody Blue's.

I have no end times fantasy as you, now admittedly, do. I face annihilation at the end of my life. What composes my corporeal form will decay into it's tiniest bits, once again becoming raw material available for use in the natural universe.

The truth of things is far more elegant and, in it's finality, comforting for me than your ever changing, recently reinterpreted, A Course in Miracles will help you on your path to understanding religion.

You might just give it a try.

You see death, but I see life.

As long as you keep it to yourself, I'm happy for you. The trouble is you won't be happy until the rest of us believe it, too.

Once again, Ron, what do you mean by

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the machinations, suppression and intolerable demands of the left

Please give some examples of each.

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JoeWeber

As long as you keep it to yourself, I'm happy for you. The trouble is you won't be happy until the rest of us believe it, too.

I desire eternal salvation for others. My happiness is not related to or determined by their decision.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

RonD1120

******I state what I believe. I share, you, collectively, attack. It is what it is.

Baloney.

You "share" things that are deliberately provocative, and then whine and cry that you are 'attacked' when the ridiculousness of what you post is pointed out.

I agree with your first statement. I am provocative without a doubt. My Christian way of life is in direct opposition to your path...

... However, unless one is grounded in the Word, in Christ, and guided by the Holy Spirit the work can lead you astray. Your first step should always be surrender to Jesus the Christ.

Man you are hilarious.

Despite your claims of finding salvation in Christ, your 'way of life' is about as far from the teachings of Christ as it could be.

To accurately call you out on all of your behaviors would constitute a PA and I'm not going there again.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[JoeWeber 2,720]

RonD1120

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As long as you keep it to yourself, I'm happy for you. The trouble is you won't be happy until the rest of us believe it, too.

I desire eternal salvation for others. My happiness is not related to or determined by their decision.

I should have said you won't be happy until the rest of us are controlled by it, too.

What is it with you and not answering? Again, you stated

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I see him as the instrument needed to dismantle the machinations, suppression and intolerable demands of the left.

This is a forum, Ron. A forum is a public meeting place for open discussion. That means that when you speak you offer debate. That means you should be prepared and willing to defend what you say when questioned reasonably.

If you are not willing to do that why are you even here? Is it simply to tell us how good you feel in the arms of God? Well, we've heard it. Now pack it away and honestly participate in this open forum.

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RonD1120

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As long as you keep it to yourself, I'm happy for you. The trouble is you won't be happy until the rest of us believe it, too.

I desire eternal salvation for others. My happiness is not related to or determined by their decision.

You don’t care about eternal salvation for others, you want others to co sign your absurd beliefs.

And when you Make absurd claims like Obama is a secret Muslim, it really reveals your critical thinking skills.

You are much more interested in what you believe as opposed to what you know.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

RonD1120

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As long as you keep it to yourself, I'm happy for you. The trouble is you won't be happy until the rest of us believe it, too.

I desire eternal salvation for others. My happiness is not related to or determined by their decision.

Who are these "others"?

Considering you surround yourself with only like minded people and your interaction with those whom are not already converted is extremely limited, it would appear "others" really means you and those like you.

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SkyDekker

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As long as you keep it to yourself, I'm happy for you. The trouble is you won't be happy until the rest of us believe it, too.

I desire eternal salvation for others. My happiness is not related to or determined by their decision.

Who are these "others"?

Considering you surround yourself with only like minded people and your interaction with those whom are not already converted is extremely limited, it would appear "others" really means you and those like you.

See link, The Others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Linus

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

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billvon

>I accept them; they oppose me.

You just said that your Christian way of life is in direct opposition to their path. You regularly list all the ways you oppose those evil progressive liberals.

Touche'

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

JoeWeber

This is a forum, Ron. A forum is a public meeting place for open discussion. That means that when you speak you offer debate.

The devil is in the details. I think in concepts as much as I am able. Debate is not my forte'. I don't even know how. Think of me only as a watchman on the wall searching for the factors indicating a forboding wave of spiritual wickedness from the heavenly places.

I am exploring and trying to discern the messages from Qanon. They are more intriguing at this juncture.

As a counselor, my position is seeking to formulate the proper questions to stimulate the thought process in my client.

This forum provides an opportunity for me to study the thought patterns of the others posting here.

If a question is presented to me in an acceptable manner I will honestly try to answer. Such is the case with this response to you.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 2,991]

>I am exploring and trying to discern the messages from Qanon.

Qanon messages so far:

Hillary Clinton conducts satanic rites in which she tears the faces off children and drinks their blood.

Kim Jong-Un is a CIA plant.

Angela Merkel is the granddaughter of Hitler.

All mass shootings are false-flag attacks by the "liberal cabal."

Trump started the Mueller investigation.

If you want to make up a new one I am sure they will incorporate it into their "messages."

[gowlerk 2,193]

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Debate is not my forte'. I don't even know how.

Ron, come on now. You are an intelligent man and perfectly capable of debate. The reason you find it so difficult is that many of your positions are based on obvious lies, or mistruths, or alternate facts. Whatever the term is these days. As such they are indefensible when you are presented with their flaws. Which to most people are very obvious.

I never can tell for sure if you are aware of just how outrageous many of the things you state are and are doing it for amusement. Or if you are really as self deluded as you appear to be.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[gowlerk 2,193]

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Think of me only as a watchman on the wall searching for the factors indicating a forboding wave of spiritual wickedness from the heavenly places.

This sentence is confusing to me. Specifically the term "heavenly places". What do you mean by this term?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

RonD1120

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This is a forum, Ron. A forum is a public meeting place for open discussion. That means that when you speak you offer debate.

The devil is in the details. I think in concepts as much as I am able. Debate is not my forte'. I don't even know how. Think of me only as a watchman on the wall searching for the factors indicating a forboding wave of spiritual wickedness from the heavenly places.

I am exploring and trying to discern the messages from Qanon. They are more intriguing at this juncture.

As a counselor, my position is seeking to formulate the proper questions to stimulate the thought process in my client.

This forum provides an opportunity for me to study the thought patterns of the others posting here.

If a question is presented to me in an acceptable manner I will honestly try to answer. Such is the case with this response to you.

You are something again.

Once again, Ron, what do you mean by

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the machinations, suppression and intolerable demands of the left

Please give some examples of each. And just so I know, how is that form of question not acceptable?

[jakee 1,490]

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Think of me only as a watchman on the wall

No one thinks of you that way.

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I am exploring and trying to discern the messages from Qanon.

Why do you think they contain anything to be discerned?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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JoeWeber

And just so I know, how is that form of question not acceptable?

It is a trap in line with the IGYYSOB game. Whatever I say you will say it is wrong.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

RonD1120

*** And just so I know, how is that form of question not acceptable?

It is a trap in line with the IGYYSOB game. Whatever I say you will say it is wrong.

Aren't you perceptive. Of course, I think I've got you. Recall that I stated:

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I also believe that were you to attempt to put definition to your claims you would need to bare the fullness of what you truly believe and show yourself to be a tool of conservative hyperbole, christian paranoia and, consequently, a fraud.

Here you have a chance to show you are not a tool and a fraud and, instead, you do your dance again. Unfortunately for you, your natural avoidance technique, once again, proves the point.

You are really not very good at this.

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JoeWeber

You are really not very good at this.

I agree.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

RonD1120

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You are really not very good at this.

I agree.

Then why not retreat to your enclave and enjoy the company of your Christian friends and other conspiracy theorists who will, without a single word in opposition, let you disclaim reality and avoid answering questions directly and truthfully?

Is it really that entertaining for you to come here to the zoo?

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JoeWeber

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You are really not very good at this.

I agree.

Then why not retreat to your enclave and enjoy the company of your Christian friends and other conspiracy theorists who will, without a single word in opposition, let you disclaim reality and avoid answering questions directly and truthfully?

Is it really that entertaining for you to come here to the zoo?

Yes, not only entertaining but edifying.

I used to facilitate encounter groups along with support and didactic. This is a similar environment.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

RonD1120

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You are really not very good at this.

I agree.

Then why not retreat to your enclave and enjoy the company of your Christian friends and other conspiracy theorists who will, without a single word in opposition, let you disclaim reality and avoid answering questions directly and truthfully?

Is it really that entertaining for you to come here to the zoo?

Yes, not only entertaining but edifying.

I used to facilitate encounter groups along with support and didactic. This is a similar environment.

Well, at least you admit your motives are ulterior. Anyway, gotta go. School kids are coming and I need to preen a little.