A message one week before the election comment

[Phil1111 1,149]

rushmc

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Should the Republicans hold lose the house and add seats in the Senate what do you think is going to be said by the Democrats GOP?

I am really looking forward to this answer from you.

pretty much a victory for the president. He lost the house as was predicted and as is normal with midterms. But the games in the Senate are nearly unprecedented.

one thing's for sure you won't hear all the gnashing of teeth and whining that the Democrats would have done had they not won the house

As usual you're wrong.

1. As trump stated correctly the US economy was the strongest since WW 2. Actually, as usual he lied and stated it was the strongest in history.

"Electoral models predict that a strong economy favors the party in power, and that a weak economy dooms it to crushing losses."
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/us-economy-midterm-congressional-elections-by-michael-boskin-2018-08

Yet as "HE" correctly stated. This was a referendum on him.

2. The Mueller report will be released with democrats in charge of the house. Democrats can now investigate and begin to expose the corruption of the trump regime.Which republicans have up till now acted to conceal.

3. AP analysis shows how gerrymandering benefited GOP in 2016
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-analysis-shows-gerrymandering-benefited-gop-2016

Despite a 20% advantage that gerrymandering gave to GOP house members they still lost. Now the shoe is on the other foot so to speak.

4. Two wars started by trump will now start to bite the US economy and its political objectives. The trade war with China and its blockade of the Iranian economy. Re Sanctions.

A. A long trade war would hurt the U.S. more than China
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-long-trade-war-would-hurt-the-u-s-more-than-china/

B. Iran increases missile spending to counter US sanctions
https://www.dw.com/en/iran-increases-missile-spending-to-counter-us-sanctions/a-40071867

- Global powers condemn US sanctions against Iran and encourage businesses to ignore the Trump administration
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/10/global-powers-condemn-us-sanctions-against-iran-and-encourage-business.html

-Iran sanctions: Trump administration exempts eight countries, including China, from new penalties
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/11/05/donald-trump-iran-sanctions-exemptions-oil-mike-pompeo-japan-china-india/1885801002/
"The Trump administration will allow Japan, China, India and five other countries to escape U.S. sanctions against Iran, even as those nations continue to buy oil from Iran in defiance of the White House’s push to block all such sales.

The decision to grant eight exemptions – including to six of Iran's biggest oil-buying customers – sparked some criticism among hardline conservatives who are normally aligned with the White House."...

"The Ayatollahs will use such access to simply wait out the Trump administration, in the hopes that a future administration will be more appeasing," Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, said in a statement Friday.

A New York-based advocacy group, United Against Nuclear Iran, said the administration "caved" in its decision to grant waivers. "Whatever happened to maximum pressure," the group tweeted. "They caved. Big time."

As usual the Us has gone to war with its hands tied behind its back because of political stupidity. Remember Vietnam Marc?

China will be patient and will wait out trump. China gets US news and contrary to what Fox, Hannity, Marc, etc. say. They know US law and time will put trump in his proper place.

[kallend 2,106]

rushmc

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Should the Republicans hold lose the house and add seats in the Senate what do you think is going to be said by the Democrats GOP?

I am really looking forward to this answer from you.

pretty much a victory for the president. He lost the house as was predicted and as is normal with midterms. But the games in the Senate are nearly unprecedented.

one thing's for sure you won't hear all the gnashing of teeth and whining that the Democrats would have done had they not won the house

Losing the popular vote by some 7% is a "victory"? So much winning.

The extent of GOP gerrymandering is shown by comparing the popular vote margins in 2014 - 2018 with the margins in seats in the House.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[PhreeZone 20]

In terms of the gerrymandering topic at least 5 states by my count will have new processes in place in 2021 to dramatically shift a lot of their districts to minimize this factor.

Ohio passed a legislature motion in May 2018 to prevent the issue from going in front of voter this fall (Republicans thought the proposed ballot wording would have swung it really far left) that the maps have to be approved by a bipartisan commission where the minority party has to fully agree to the proposed design or else the entire thing gets tossed over to a judicial panel that is also bipartisan and has to have a majority agree on the design. If it goes to the judges then the map is only valid for 2 years. They also put a lot of geographic restrictions in place that limit the shape and number of counties/cities that are allowed to be split up. Initial thoughts were this is going to cost the GOP anywhere from 3-5 seats alone in the state house and another 2-4 at the federal level.

Missouri passed a "Clean Missouri" ballot by over 62% that really overhauls their entire mapping process and sends it to a bipartisan "Demographer" that is limited to creating maps based on existing county and city lines and will be using a computer to create more balanced districts. They also really limited the amount of donations from lobbyists to $5 per year and dropped the max donation amount to $2500 per candidate.

Michigan passed theirs last night that changes a lot of their requirements and the initiative will amend Michigan's constitution to create a 13-member independent citizens' redistricting commission, composed of four Republicans, four Democrats and five people who don't identify with either party. End result is that it will force maps to be approved by a 8 to 5 margin and has very specific guard rails about "districts shall not provide a disproportionate advantage to any political party" and districts now must be shown to have a lot of dissimilarities instead of a lot of similarities like in the past.

Utah's ballot is still too close to call but is up right now. They also are sending district mapping to a panel that is to use computer mapping to create more balanced districts. Utah will still be a red state but at the local level this could be a big change.

Colorado also passed their two ballot items calling for more fair districts. Under Amendment Y, a 12-member bipartisan commission will take the role of redistricting from the General Assembly—and out from the governor's veto. The amendment will also require new boundaries to be "competitive," meaning that the newly drawn districts must have "a reasonable potential for the party affiliation of the district's representative to change at least once" every census, the amendment says. In a similar vote, Amendment Z will create a commission to redraw the state legislative maps.

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

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rushmc

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Should the Republicans hold lose the house and add seats in the Senate what do you think is going to be said by the Democrats GOP?

I am really looking forward to this answer from you.

pretty much a victory for the president. He lost the house as was predicted and as is normal with midterms. But the games in the Senate are nearly unprecedented.

[JoeWeber 2,823]

rushmc

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Should the Republicans hold lose the house and add seats in the Senate what do you think is going to be said by the Democrats GOP?

I am really looking forward to this answer from you.

pretty much a victory for the president. He lost the house as was predicted and as is normal with midterms. But the games in the Senate are nearly unprecedented.

one thing's for sure you won't hear all the gnashing of teeth and whining that the Democrats would have done had they not won the house[/quote

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pretty much a victory for the president. He lost the house as was predicted and as is normal with midterms. But the games in the Senate are nearly unprecedented.

Pigs are flying in flocks today. I completely agree with Marc's extremely well written and perceptive observation.

[billvon 3,070]

Trump has another public tantrum. Republicans respond.

"To deal w harassment & filth spewed at GOP MOC’s in tough seats every day for 2 yrs, bc of POTUS; to bite ur lip more times you’d care to; to disagree & separate from POTUS on principle & civility in ur campaign; to lose bc of POTUS & have him piss on u. Angers me to my core." - Ryan Costello

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Well, to be a bit pedantic, it's 'retiring Republicans respond.'

Nobody who wants to get re-elected is going to stand up to the Mango Mussolini.
The Trumpettes are dedicated primary voters. Anyone who doesn't fall into lockstep with him won't survive a primary challenge from a 'true believer'.

The growing extremism in the primary races isn't new, but it seems to be accelerating.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[airdvr 210]

Sorry Dems...no blue wave. I think the worst of it is we get to listen to Nancy again. Is that really who you want as your leader in the House?

Please don't dent the planet.

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[wmw999 2,534]

Not particularly; it’s time to start grooming fresh blood. But they’re probably not going to listen to me.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[RonD1120 62]

airdvr

Sorry Dems...no blue wave. I think the worst of it is we get to listen to Nancy again. Is that really who you want as your leader in the House?

Stacey Abrams, Andrew Gillum, and Bill Nelson are still whining. We are praying actively for their losses.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[normiss 851]

Voter suppression is the in thing now it seems.
Sitting on and withholding ballots should be dealt with with legal severity.
Elections staff should not have the ability to discard ballots because they think the signature isn't authentic. I didn't realize they were certified handwriting experts. Because they aren't.
My signature doesn't look the same when I sign a stack of papers...or a touch screen signature? Ha.
Everyone's vote must be counted, whether you like their choices or not.
So far it appears of few of the recounts are showing a much different result than first claimed.
It's laughable to her Governor Scott "declare" he doesn't like fraud....how many millions was his company fined for FRAUD???

[kallend 2,106]

airdvr

Sorry Dems...no blue wave. I think the worst of it is we get to listen to Nancy again. Is that really who you want as your leader in the House?

It's interesting to compare the swing in popular vote to the change in congressional seats. A very clear indicator of the gerrymandering that goes on, particularly in red states.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[gowlerk 2,249]

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It's interesting to compare the swing in popular vote to the change in congressional seats. A very clear indicator of the gerrymandering that goes on, particularly in red states.

The most hopeful thing I saw in the results was a swing away from the right, probably because of objections to Trumpism, in the suburban areas around the cities. The left/right split between the rural areas and the inner cities did not budge. But some of the middle class, especially women, seem to have had enough.

Gerrymandering involves spreading your dependable support around so that you have just enough in each district. It can backfire on you if you drive that support away from you and you find yourself coming up a little short.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Phil1111 1,149]

gowlerk

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It's interesting to compare the swing in popular vote to the change in congressional seats. A very clear indicator of the gerrymandering that goes on, particularly in red states.

The most hopeful thing I saw in the results was a swing away from the right, probably because of objections to Trumpism, in the suburban areas around the cities. The left/right split between the rural areas and the inner cities did not budge. But some of the middle class, especially women, seem to have had enough.

Gerrymandering involves spreading your dependable support around so that you have just enough in each district. It can backfire on you if you drive that support away from you and you find yourself coming up a little short.

Or republicans who strayed away from the polling booths because they no longer have a party to vote for. When new republican leaders emerge. Like Montana's governor Steve Bullock. Who believes in compassionate conservatism, a middle ground, a government for all. The radicals on the left will have to match their sense of meeting of the minds.

trump cultists will have to return to their racist white enclaves.

[gowlerk 2,249]

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The radicals on the left will have to match their sense of meeting of the minds.

I actually have a hard time finding radicalism on the left. Are there radical policy proposals coming from the left that I don't know about?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[billvon 3,070]

>Sorry Dems...no blue wave.

Democrats gained 29, no 30, now 31 seats - and it looks like that could go as high as 38 as close elections get called. Looks like a lot of Republicans drowned under that thing that you are afraid to call a 'wave.'

[Phil1111 1,149]

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The radicals on the left will have to match their sense of meeting of the minds.

I actually have a hard time finding radicalism on the left. Are there radical policy proposals coming from the left that I don't know about?

1. College should be free, He has introduced a plan to make tuition at public universities and colleges free by taxing Wall Street speculators.

2. The minimum wage should be $15, Sanders argues that no one who works 40 hours a week should be impoverished,
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35364868

Rep. Barbara Lee (Calif.):
Called for a $26 minimum wage so that “people . . . could afford to live in areas now where they cannot afford to live” and “you would increase diversity in certain communities where you don’t have diversity anymore'

[airdvr 210]

Phil1111

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The radicals on the left will have to match their sense of meeting of the minds.

I actually have a hard time finding radicalism on the left. Are there radical policy proposals coming from the left that I don't know about?

1. College should be free, He has introduced a plan to make tuition at public universities and colleges free by taxing Wall Street speculators.

2. The minimum wage should be $15, Sanders argues that no one who works 40 hours a week should be impoverished,
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35364868

Rep. Barbara Lee (Calif.):
Called for a $26 minimum wage so that “people . . . could afford to live in areas now where they cannot afford to live” and “you would increase diversity in certain communities where you don’t have diversity anymore'

Wow...Some common ground. I agree with the University issue, student debt is crippling previous generations.

I also agree that no one who works a full time job should struggle to pay their bills. I'm not sure raising the minimum wage gets the job done. Most of the business owners I know are pigs who would simply pass the cost along to the consumer.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[airdvr 210]

billvon

>Sorry Dems...no blue wave.

Democrats gained 29, no 30, now 31 seats - and it looks like that could go as high as 38 as close elections get called. Looks like a lot of Republicans drowned under that thing that you are afraid to call a 'wave.'

Not quite the 66 seats lost in Barry's first mid-term.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[billvon 3,070]

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Most of the business owners I know are pigs who would simply pass the cost along to the consumer.

That is exactly what they should do, and is why minimum wage raises work. Why does that make them "pigs?"

[airdvr 210]

billvon

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Most of the business owners I know are pigs who would simply pass the cost along to the consumer.

That is exactly what they should do, and is why minimum wage raises work. Why does that make them "pigs?"

That's why they work? Let's see...I make $10 an hour. If my employers raise my wages and pass the cost along to consumers pretty soon all prices rise and my $15 ends up buying the same as my $10 used to.

Suffice it to say they are consuming far more than their producing.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[rushmc 23]

RonD1120

***Sorry Dems...no blue wave. I think the worst of it is we get to listen to Nancy again. Is that really who you want as your leader in the House?

Stacey Abrams, Andrew Gillum, and Bill Nelson are still whining. We are praying actively for their losses.

not only are they whining, some of them are trying to steal an election with a lot of help!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,563]

rushmc

not only are they whining, some of them are trying to steal an election with a lot of help!

How are they trying to steal it and who is helping?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Phil1111 1,149]

Phil1111

************Should the Republicans keep the house....

And if they don't, will you blame Trump?

No. He’ll blame illegal immigrants voting in their millions, hacked voting machines, DNC interference with republican voters, a shadow conspiracy to hide ‘true’ results or Obama.

Says the party that's running around going Russia Russia Russia Russia

Oh thanks for the irony in the laugh. You can't make this shit up

you said?
40% of Republicans say Russia is an ally or friendly, up from 22% in 2014
https://news.gallup.com/poll/237137/republicans-positive-relations-russia.aspx

When they deliver stolen e-mails when requested....

Some business can't pass on wage and cost increases. The counter argument is that these business should be allowed to fail.

trump was on the right track to engage in
What you should know about apprenticeships, Trump’s answer to the skills gap
https://qz.com/1005062/trumps-plan-for-job-training-involves-apprenticeships-heres-what-you-should-know/

But as the article states his imitative was merely and extension of Obama's program. Germany uses such programs to enormous success. It should be a $billion dollar program, not $90 million.

Minimum wages should be designed for entry level food service jobs. Beyond that wages should be pulled up by expanding labor demands. Which arise from increased worker skills, expanding productivity, expanding labor demands.

[billvon 3,070]

>not only are they whining, some of them are trying to steal an election with a lot of help!

To Rush, "get an accurate count of votes" = "steal an election"

Thank you for revealing your true motivations.

Also, thank you for supporting the neo-Nazis, fascists and right wing supremacists that led to the retaking of the House by the democrats. They will serve to be a brake on the worst impulses of the Trump regime.