RonD1120 62 #26 January 12, 2019 yoink Nothing I post will have any chance of resonating with you in that case, nor will most other posters I suspect, because we live in this reality and not a fictional one. Cause and effect is not negative. It is simply not inclusive.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #27 January 12, 2019 It includes 100% of things that happen in this particular plane of reality. For me that’s as inclusive as it needs to be. If you choose to base your opinions of things that are happening here on a completely different version of spacetime then no wonder you’re going to come up with some wacky answers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #28 January 12, 2019 yoink It includes 100% of things that happen in this particular plane of reality. Yeah, but what would you know? I bet you don't even score 100 on the Hawkins Consciousness ScaleDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #29 January 12, 2019 Wall reality. Let’s say the Dems and GOP decide to fund it. The estimates are on the billions of $$$$, and it’s a government project, so add on the usual 40%~60% cost overruns. And then add on the time and cost of legal battles for all of the private property needed for it. And then add on the time for companies to bid. And then survey. And finally design and build. And finally, what is the annual cost to maintain a wall of this magnitude? Weather and the humans trying to go over and under it will be doing some costly damage. All problems have common sense solutions. This isn’t one of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #30 January 12, 2019 jakee ***It includes 100% of things that happen in this particular plane of reality. Yeah, but what would you know? I bet you don't even score 100 on the Hawkins Consciousness ScaleI’d barely hit double digits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #31 January 13, 2019 RonD1120*** Nothing I post will have any chance of resonating with you in that case, nor will most other posters I suspect, because we live in this reality and not a fictional one. Cause and effect is not negative. It is simply not inclusive. What Ron fails to address is that his idea of capitalism. Does away with the concept that the state works towards goals of a better nation state society. Goals of group health-education-welfare-protection of state assets-the environment of the state-etc. Are all superseded by the rights of individuals, corporations, specified religions, etc. To impose their personal profit, personal rights, over anyone else. So monopolies can charge what they can, companies can pollute at will, companies can collude to price fix, etc. As long as its not regulated in any fashion by the state. Imagine no zoning, no taxes, no laws. Except the Law of Conservative Christians, with a cocked and locked .45 on their hip. One of the first fundamental concepts of salesmanship is to use fear to sell a product. trump from the start of his political campaign has painted his ideas with fear. MS-13, Islamic State, a scant three months ago there was a "caravan" of these terrorists and gangs headed for the southern border. Subsequent to the election. Not a single report of any arrests from homeland insecurity. Or from the 10,000 US troops still at the border. Not one. trump just returned from his border visit. He stated to numerous republicans that his trip was nothing but a "photo-op". That the first prime time national TV address. Was a waste of time before he did the address. This all goes to show who is driving the dialogue. FOX(his base) and Stephen Miller, who crafts his message. Ron identify with this because as many others here have pointed out. He identifies with a book of fear. Not a book of love, compassion and empathy. Empathy like: In the Rio Grande Valley, plans for a border wall ignite fight between church and state https://www.texastribune.org/2018/12/19/church-and-state-fight-mission-texas-border-wall/ "The Catholic Diocese of Brownsville...a man known as the "cowboy priest", Father Roy Snipes... the 73-year-old clergyman,... the tiny white chapel, where he made his final vows to the church nearly four decades ago, Snipes took off his Stetson hat... a national fight that locally is pitting two of the region's most influential forces – the Catholic church and the U.S. immigration apparatus... Just before Thanksgiving, federal authorities moved to take control of about 67 acres around the chapel, arguing that they need “immediate possession” of the land in order to investigate it for future use — including, perhaps, permanently seizing it to build the wall. “Time is of the essence,” government lawyers said in a Nov. 20 court filing.... its main opposition is deeply rooted in religion. A wall would keep people from accessing the chapel to practice their faith and violate freedom of religion under the First Amendment, religious leaders said. And using their land to build the wall would go against Catholic values. “The Church is not angry with anybody, just interested in remaining who she is,” said Bishop Daniel Flores, who leads the Catholic Diocese of Brownsville. “A wall is not an intrinsic evil, but it is a prudential social disaster.” Snipes, whose beat-up van is covered in stickers that say “no wall between amigos,” said that his opposition to the wall is not so much about politics as it is about the gospel." I apologize to Christians who follow these interpretations of their religion. To the priest, about who i posted in SC before. The Catholic priest who joined the caravan as it walked 000's of km to the border. To help the needy, the oppressed, to give them guidance and solace. He is a hero and a true Christian. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #32 January 14, 2019 Border patrol union deletes their previously lengthy and long standing opposition to further spending on border walls: "Walls and fences are temporary solutions that focus on the symptom (illegal immigration) rather than the problem (employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens),” the now-deleted page says." Also noting that barriers, fences, etc are necessary as long as this issue is ignored. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/59v7k3/border-patrol-union-just-deleted-a-webpage-saying-a-wall-would-be-wasting-taxpayer-money Why would they do that? Ah, Trump invited their new union President to share the stage and they needed to get their political story straight."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #33 January 14, 2019 The latest Trump attempt to get his wall built: He is looking into raiding the funds set aside to rebuild Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria destroyed it. It's a win-win for him - hurt some "not-really-Americans" he doesn't like and get more money for his trophy. ================== Trump May Raid Army Corps Of Engineers Puerto Rico Hurricane Recovery Funds To Build Border Wall Kate Feldman, New York Daily News As President Trump scrambles to find someone to pay for his border wall, the Army Corps of Engineers have reportedly provided him with a new piggy bank: Puerto Rico. The Army Corps' $13.9 billion budget has been divvied up to subsidize various projects around the country, but the President has been briefed on a proposal that could see him dip into those funds, three officials told NBC News. Among the planned projects are $2.5 billion for post-Hurricane Maria reconstruction projects in Puerto Rico, nearly half of the $5.7 billion proposed cost of Trump's 234-mile border wall, according to NBC. =================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #34 January 14, 2019 billvonThe latest Trump attempt to get his wall built: He is looking into raiding the funds set aside to rebuild Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria destroyed it. It's a win-win for him - hurt some "not-really-Americans" he doesn't like and get more money for his trophy. ================== Trump May Raid Army Corps Of Engineers Puerto Rico Hurricane Recovery Funds To Build Border Wall Kate Feldman, New York Daily News As President Trump scrambles to find someone to pay for his border wall, the Army Corps of Engineers have reportedly provided him with a new piggy bank: Puerto Rico. The Army Corps' $13.9 billion budget has been divvied up to subsidize various projects around the country, but the President has been briefed on a proposal that could see him dip into those funds, three officials told NBC News. Among the planned projects are $2.5 billion for post-Hurricane Maria reconstruction projects in Puerto Rico, nearly half of the $5.7 billion proposed cost of Trump's 234-mile border wall, according to NBC. =================== Besides that this is an incredibly demented thing to do does he really think that $5.7bn number is going to get the wall built? I thought that was just a "get more money" number since he's previously stated that he needs something like $25bn and it most likely would cost over $50bn because of real world issues."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #35 January 14, 2019 DJL***The latest Trump attempt to get his wall built: He is looking into raiding the funds set aside to rebuild Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria destroyed it. It's a win-win for him - hurt some "not-really-Americans" he doesn't like and get more money for his trophy. ================== Trump May Raid Army Corps Of Engineers Puerto Rico Hurricane Recovery Funds To Build Border Wall Kate Feldman, New York Daily News As President Trump scrambles to find someone to pay for his border wall, the Army Corps of Engineers have reportedly provided him with a new piggy bank: Puerto Rico. The Army Corps' $13.9 billion budget has been divvied up to subsidize various projects around the country, but the President has been briefed on a proposal that could see him dip into those funds, three officials told NBC News. Among the planned projects are $2.5 billion for post-Hurricane Maria reconstruction projects in Puerto Rico, nearly half of the $5.7 billion proposed cost of Trump's 234-mile border wall, according to NBC. =================== Besides that this is an incredibly demented thing to do does he really think that $5.7bn number is going to get the wall built? I thought that was just a "get more money" number since he's previously stated that he needs something like $25bn and it most likely would cost over $50bn because of real world issues. 234 miles is 12% of the length of the border, which is 1,954 miles. Extrapolating that to the full length would be ~$48B, which is roughtly midway between the low end estimate ($25B), and the high end ($70B). But even those estimates don't include the coast of acquiring the land."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #36 January 14, 2019 ryoder******The latest Trump attempt to get his wall built: He is looking into raiding the funds set aside to rebuild Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria destroyed it. It's a win-win for him - hurt some "not-really-Americans" he doesn't like and get more money for his trophy. ================== Trump May Raid Army Corps Of Engineers Puerto Rico Hurricane Recovery Funds To Build Border Wall Kate Feldman, New York Daily News As President Trump scrambles to find someone to pay for his border wall, the Army Corps of Engineers have reportedly provided him with a new piggy bank: Puerto Rico. The Army Corps' $13.9 billion budget has been divvied up to subsidize various projects around the country, but the President has been briefed on a proposal that could see him dip into those funds, three officials told NBC News. Among the planned projects are $2.5 billion for post-Hurricane Maria reconstruction projects in Puerto Rico, nearly half of the $5.7 billion proposed cost of Trump's 234-mile border wall, according to NBC. =================== Besides that this is an incredibly demented thing to do does he really think that $5.7bn number is going to get the wall built? I thought that was just a "get more money" number since he's previously stated that he needs something like $25bn and it most likely would cost over $50bn because of real world issues. 234 miles is 12% of the length of the border, which is 1,954 miles. Extrapolating that to the full length would be ~$48B, which is roughtly midway between the low end estimate ($25B), and the high end ($70B). But even those estimates don't include the coast of acquiring the land. A couple paper towels is good enough for them. Top FBI official says there's a "crisis of violence" in Puerto Rico https://www.cbsnews.com/news/top-fbi-official-says-theres-a-crisis-of-violence-in-puerto-rico/ Vega Alta, Puerto Rico — The top FBI official in Puerto Rico said the island is facing a "crisis of violence" and has asked the agency for more personnel and resources from the U.S. mainland. In addition to ongoing recovery efforts from the devastation caused by hurricanes Maria and Irma, and a struggling economy, Puerto Rico is experiencing a wave of violence and crime primarily linked to gang activity and drug trafficking. Local authorities have struggled to curb the mounting insecurity.... The FBI official praised the island's police departments for their efforts to reduce the violence, despite a decrease in the number of officers stationed on the streets." PR is cutting the number of LE because it can't pay LE officers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #37 January 14, 2019 A few poll results: CNN poll 1/11 - 55% think Trump/republicans are responsible for the shutdown; 32% blame democrats (which aligns almost perfectly with Trump's "core.") 56% oppose construction of a wall along the border. WaPo-ABC 1/11 - 53% blame Trump/republicans for the shutdown; 29% blame democrats. CBS/YouGov 1/11: 50% blame Trump/repubs, 30% democrats Reuters/Ipsos 1/7: 58% blame Trump/repubs, 32% dems Politico/MC 1/6: 52% Trump/repubs, 33% dems Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #38 January 19, 2019 (edited) How many times will Trump blame the Democrats in his upcoming speech later today before he enacts emergency funding? I’m saying 4. Edited January 19, 2019 by yoink Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,207 #39 January 26, 2019 Even the Pope had words about wall builders today: "We know that the father of lies, the devil, prefers a community divided and bickering," Francis told a crowd of tens of thousands of youth Thursday night at a seaside park in Panama City. "This is the criteria to divide people: The builders of bridges and the builders of walls, those builders of walls sow fear and look to divide people. What do you want to be?" When the crowd replied "builders of bridges," Francis replied, "You learned well. I like that." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #40 January 26, 2019 9 hours ago, gowlerk said: Even the Pope had words about wall builders today: "We know that the father of lies, the devil, prefers a community divided and bickering," Francis told a crowd of tens of thousands of youth Thursday night at a seaside park in Panama City. "This is the criteria to divide people: The builders of bridges and the builders of walls, those builders of walls sow fear and look to divide people. What do you want to be?" When the crowd replied "builders of bridges," Francis replied, "You learned well. I like that." "We know that the father of lies, the devil, prefers a community divided and bickering," That is a rather astounding statement. Because it is undoubtedly directed at trump. Because his bible thumping base of evangelicals and delinquent enabling churchgoers. Continue to license and encourage Lucifer. At the same time, enjoying tax deductibility for their cult of worship. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #41 February 6, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 5:19 AM, Phil1111 said: "We know that the father of lies, the devil, prefers a community divided and bickering," That is a rather astounding statement. Because it is undoubtedly directed at trump. Because his bible thumping base of evangelicals and delinquent enabling churchgoers. Continue to license and encourage Lucifer. At the same time, enjoying tax deductibility for their cult of worship. I found this quote from the SOTU funny: "Here, in the United States, we are alarmed by new calls to adopt socialism in our country. America was founded on liberty and independence — not government coercion, domination, and control. We are born free, and we will stay free." followed by "now give me money so the government can build a wall through your property to protect you." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 362 #42 February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, billvon said: I found this quote from the SOTU funny: "Here, in the United States, we are alarmed by new calls to adopt socialism in our country. America was founded on liberty and independence — not government coercion, domination, and control. We are born free, and we will stay free." followed by "now give me money so the government can build a wall through your property to protect you." The "socialism" he protests is access to health care, education, and the vote. Easy for him to oppose those things for everybody else when he got a nice $400 million dollar hand up from his father. Don Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #43 February 7, 2019 He lies about things that are so easy to fact-check. This is indicative of contempt for his supporters (he loves the poorly educated). Trump said El Paso had a high crime rate before the fence was constructed and that the rate of crime dropped substantially after it was completed. FALSE https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/05/fact-check-state-union-trump-el-paso-crime-rate-fence/2784362002/?fbclid=IwAR3I-IriFpgeqRRDdTt2qEnbDfDP8_BJ7Y31OgNsG3MMmoIve6mep1ljOKg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #44 February 8, 2019 And still more lies from the Liar-in-Chief:https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/WhctKJVJfqstdPSjZXgmZxjnPsGsMhbcZhzFdDkHjvXslFXsmGSGzwRkQNVtXQKTTrQxbgG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #45 February 8, 2019 I suspect thats not the link you wanted.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #46 February 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, kallend said: And still more lies from the Liar-in-Chief:https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/WhctKJVJfqstdPSjZXgmZxjnPsGsMhbcZhzFdDkHjvXslFXsmGSGzwRkQNVtXQKTTrQxbgG That link takes one to Gmail's web interface. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #47 February 9, 2019 19 hours ago, Stumpy said: I suspect thats not the link you wanted.... Try this one:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/07/president-trumps-fantastical-human-trafficking-claims/?utm_term=.d2c4ebb37ca5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #48 February 11, 2019 (edited) On 2/9/2019 at 9:31 AM, kallend said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/07/president-trumps-fantastical-human-trafficking-claims/?utm_term=.d2c4ebb37ca5 What I find most appalling about the article is that they dig up all this info on sex trafficking just to "prove" Trump wrong, without offering any solutions. And what it pretty much comes down to is that people don't really care. Nobody gives a shit. Most of us haven't dealt with, or directly experienced human trafficking, gun crimes, abortions, drug gangs, Mexican/S.A humanitarian crises, etc. . . For the most part, people just find shit that they can throw in the other side's face, and that's as far as it ever goes. . .that's all they really care about. And what's even worse is that afterwards, they actually think that "they did their part." Edited February 11, 2019 by Coreece Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #49 February 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Coreece said: What I find most appalling about the article is that they dig up all this info on sex trafficking just to "prove" Trump wrong, without offering any solutions. Do you think it's appalling that Trump is pushing all that false info just to 'prove' himself right, without offering any solutions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #50 February 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Coreece said: What I find most appalling about the article is that they dig up all this info on sex trafficking just to "prove" Trump wrong, without offering any solutions. And what it pretty much comes down to is that people don't really care. Nobody gives a shit. Most of us haven't dealt with, or directly experienced human trafficking, gun crimes, abortions, drug gangs, Mexican/S.A humanitarian crises, etc. . . For the most part, people just find shit that they can throw in the other side's face, and that's as far as it ever goes. . .that's all they really care about. And what's even worse is that afterwards, they actually think that "they did their part." They DID their part - accurate reporting of the facts. There can be no solution if the information provided by the administration is a pack of lies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
