Green new deal equals magical thinking

[brenthutch 444]

16 hours ago, Coreece said:

And just now they changed the storm surge warning from 8-12ft or so, to 15-20ft.

Actual storm surge.....9 feet

[SkyDekker 1,465]

39 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Actual storm surge.....9 feet

Clearly that’s evidence that storm surges don’t exist and water has always had high and low levels. 

[brenthutch 444]

1 minute ago, SkyDekker said:

Clearly that’s evidence that storm surges don’t exist and water has always had high and low levels. 

I wonder how many people survived the “unsurvivable” storm surge?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

5 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

I wonder how many people survived the “unsurvivable” storm surge?

Many thankfully. They changed their behaviour as opposed to claiming storm surges don’t exists and there have always been tides. 

Edited August 27, 2020 by SkyDekker

[Coreece 190]

On 8/27/2020 at 10:03 AM, brenthutch said:

On 8/26/2020 at 5:27 PM, Coreece said:

And just now they changed the storm surge warning from 8-12ft or so, to 15-20ft.

Actual storm surge.....9 feet

Ya, in my experience this is what they exaggerate the most.  I was calling them out big time about that with Irma.

The difference with this one tho is that they made that change when it was the last chance to evacuate.  There were people staying back because of covid, and they were really pressing the issue to get out - saying that covid is the lesser evil at this point.

I typically hate that type of exaggerated alarmist bullshit, but given our response to covid, I see the necessity now.  Sad but true. . .

Edited August 29, 2020 by Coreece

[brenthutch 444]

On 8/29/2020 at 1:16 AM, Coreece said:

Ya, in my experience this is what they exaggerate the most.  I was calling them out big time about that with Irma.

The difference with this one tho is that they made that change when it was the last chance to evacuate.  There were people staying back because of covid, and they were really pressing the issue to get out - saying that covid is the lesser evil at this point.

I typically hate that type of exaggerated alarmist bullshit, but given our response to covid, I see the necessity now.  Sad but true. . .

In the long run that alarmism will kill more people than it saves.  Too many false alarms will cause folks to ignore legitimate ones.

[Coreece 190]

5 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

In the long run that alarmism will kill more people than it saves.  Too many false alarms will cause folks to ignore legitimate ones.

I can't argue with that.  Apparently I'm suffering from the effects of covid and I wasn't even infected. (as far as I know)

[wmw999 2,452]

2 minutes ago, Coreece said:

I can't argue with that.  Apparently I'm suffering from the effects of covid and I wasn't even infected. (as far as I know)

I think we all are, if you include economic downturn and isolation.

Wendy P.

[Phil1111 1,149]

On 8/28/2020 at 11:16 PM, Coreece said:

Ya, in my experience this is what they exaggerate the most.  I was calling them out big time about that with Irma.

The difference with this one tho is that they made that change when it was the last chance to evacuate.  There were people staying back because of covid, and they were really pressing the issue to get out - saying that covid is the lesser evil at this point.

I typically hate that type of exaggerated alarmist bullshit, but given our response to covid, I see the necessity now.  Sad but true. . .

Somehow I think the surge estimates arise from modeling and not from the National Hurricane Center wanting to alarm or scare people. Nine feet is not to be trifled with I've seen Caribbean Islands devastated by six feet.

Laura photo.

[kallend 2,027]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

Somehow I think the surge estimates arise from modeling and not from the National Hurricane Center wanting to alarm or scare people. Nine feet is not to be trifled with I've seen Caribbean Islands devastated by six feet.

Laura photo.

My wife grew up in Lake Charles.  She still has friends there.  They are basically all homeless, and have no likelihood of having any electrical power for over a month because the infrastructure was destroyed. She thinks most of them will never go back there.

9' or 15' not relevant. 

[gowlerk 2,204]

4 hours ago, kallend said:

My wife grew up in Lake Charles.

Wasn't little Bessie girl from there too?

[billvon 2,998]

9 hours ago, brenthutch said:

In the long run that alarmism will kill more people than it saves.  

A lack of alarmism has so far killed about 60,000 Americans.  Months of "don't worry about it" "don't wear masks" "it will all go away like magic" "it's a hoax" led to people not taking precautions - and dying by the tens of thousands.  That's fact, not imaginary deaths from an imaginary cause.

[brenthutch 444]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

1 hour ago, billvon said:

A lack of alarmism has so far killed about 60,000 Americans.  Months of "don't worry about it" "don't wear masks" "it will all go away like magic" "it's a hoax" led to people not taking precautions - and dying by the tens of thousands.  That's fact, not imaginary deaths from an imaginary cause.

Agreed, unlike the imaginary deaths from the imaginary cause of man made climate change.  Even California tabled their Green New Deal to deal with the actual Covid crisis. Just as I predict they will keep their coastal gas fired generators running when faced with the reality of rolling blackouts.
 

Edited August 31, 2020 by brenthutch

[brenthutch 444]

On 8/30/2020 at 9:30 PM, brenthutch said:

Even California tabled their Green New Deal to deal with the actual Covid crisis. Just as I predict they will keep their coastal gas fired generators running when faced with the reality of rolling blackouts.
 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwi21Pv1tsrrAhVWkHIEHTyjBCUQxfQBCC4wAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fenvironment%2Fstory%2F2020-09-01%2Fcalifornia-gas-plants-stay-open-time-runs-low-for-climate-action&usg=AOvVaw1Ku-uJH7wVyXnAkZP7J5I4
 

Called it!

It just goes to prove, folks like the idea of green energy much better than the reality of it

[airdvr 210]

6 hours ago, brenthutch said:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwi21Pv1tsrrAhVWkHIEHTyjBCUQxfQBCC4wAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fenvironment%2Fstory%2F2020-09-01%2Fcalifornia-gas-plants-stay-open-time-runs-low-for-climate-action&usg=AOvVaw1Ku-uJH7wVyXnAkZP7J5I4
 

Called it!

It just goes to prove, folks like the idea of green energy much better than the reality of it

Shouldn't this be in the hypocrisy thread too?

[Coreece 190]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

8 hours ago, brenthutch said:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwi21Pv1tsrrAhVWkHIEHTyjBCUQxfQBCC4wAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fenvironment%2Fstory%2F2020-09-01%2Fcalifornia-gas-plants-stay-open-time-runs-low-for-climate-action&usg=AOvVaw1Ku-uJH7wVyXnAkZP7J5I4
 

Called it!

It just goes to prove, folks like the idea of green energy much better than the reality of it

Shouldn't this be in the hypocrisy thread too?

If not, there's always the "age of American unreason" thread, or the "the lies are so obvious it just shows contempt" thread, or the "religious joke of the day" thread.

 

. . .sorry, I couldn't help myself.

[brenthutch 444]

2 hours ago, airdvr said:

Shouldn't this be in the hypocrisy thread too?

That’s why there are crickets from the lefties.

”watch us save the planet....at least until the lights go out”

Edited September 2, 2020 by brenthutch

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

That’s why there are crickets from the lefties.

”watch us save the planet....at least until the lights go out”

I think they made the right decision. I also don't think this is a reason to believe green energy shouldn't be pursued at all. 

[brenthutch 444]

1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

I think they made the right decision. I also don't think this is a reason to believe green energy shouldn't be pursued at all. 

I’m all for California’s pursuit of green energy.  As of now they are paying twice the national average for electricity and dealing with occasional blackouts.  After closing a nuclear plant and a few more gas plants, they will have the privilege of paying 4x the national average and will be enjoying weekly rolling blackouts.  Then California will flip red faster than you can say “climate change”

[SkyDekker 1,465]

ok, sure. Right after Tesla's bankruptcy.

[brenthutch 444]

28 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

ok, sure. Right after Tesla's bankruptcy.

Don’t you mean right after they renege on their vow to close the environmentally devastating coastal gas plants. 

[billvon 2,998]

On 8/30/2020 at 6:30 PM, brenthutch said:

Agreed, unlike the imaginary deaths from the imaginary cause of man made climate change. 

Here are over 1000 deaths from climate change:
https://eos.org/articles/the-first-undeniable-climate-change-deaths

Hop on a plane and explain to those families that the deaths of their loved ones are imaginary.

[brenthutch 444]

24 minutes ago, billvon said:

Here are over 1000 deaths from climate change:
https://eos.org/articles/the-first-undeniable-climate-change-deaths

Hop on a plane and explain to those families that the deaths of their loved ones are imaginary.

These people could have used some global warming 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6807a8.htm

than there is this

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwirmsa08svrAhWHgnIEHTIuBv0QFjABegQICxAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.treehugger.com%2Fcold-deadlier-heat-4855696&usg=AOvVaw3RJE0QEp7iGyc2jAOI7Plj

BTW congratulations on your gas plants remaining open

[airdvr 210]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Here are over 1000 deaths from climate change:
https://eos.org/articles/the-first-undeniable-climate-change-deaths

Hop on a plane and explain to those families that the deaths of their loved ones are imaginary.

https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/japan/

Maybe they should start doing something about that.

Edited September 3, 2020 by airdvr

[billvon 2,998]

2 hours ago, airdvr said:

https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/japan/

Maybe they should start doing something about that.

Yes they should.  So should we, since we are doing a LOT more of it than Japan is.