normiss 800 #901 May 17, 2019 42 minutes ago, richravizza said: My Apolgies to those offended. "The Green New Deal" If you could buy your salvation, for your prosterity,for the sake of humanity,and for the miracal that is our natural world, what would you pay? Drum roll please... Well for just $93 Trillion Dollars Salvation can be had. That right folks! May sound a bit steep, but think of what you'll get!!! For just 15 easy annual payments of EVERYTHING. If you can't pay it, no prob, we'll have your prodigy co-sign.They're worth it,and so are You. I'm with Her. No shit. The cost of the GND is estimated at "93 Trillion" divide it by total federal revenue at about 6.5T. I would waste any money on "buying my salvation". Religion is insanity. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #902 May 17, 2019 Bill I admirer your fortitude, and mental athleticism. You simply refuse stay on course in your own use logic or like most, just decide to ignore it.Skillfully snaking your way around any question better than most politicians. 'Peak oil' was a bad fail theory dating back to the late 60s. It inferred that the only hydrocarbons we have are in the form of "proven reserves".With the advent of 3D seismic imaging, horizontal drilling, fracking technology we now have more proven reserves, than when oil was first discovered.No mention of the vast supply of nat gas we didn't even know we had or were impossible/uneconomical.No mention of innovation or different resources. The logic of Hydrocarbons being a finite, is sound,on its face. But it ignores Everything else .Technology, inovation even greed.Seriously flawed. With a little introspect into an alarmist veiw of the apocalypse,runaway warming and the release of methane hydrates, we find another resouce we didnt even know we had. 3 hours ago, billvon said: Exactly. The panels cost $$. In Vermont they would cost more $$ for the same energy. They cost more than just $$ and you didnt mention how you were going to keep your childern from freezing to death. Would you bet your life on a couple more battery packs or solar panels? 4 hours ago, billvon said: Yep. I'd rather do neither, but given the choice, fracking is better than mountaintop removal. Argeement again, yes. 4 hours ago, billvon said: In other words, it's better to mine for ten pounds of cobalt than 200 tons of coal, even if both use poor mining practices. Thanks for being honest. 4 hours ago, billvon said: In other words, it's better to mine for ten pounds of cobalt than 200 tons of coal, even if both use poor mining practices. We still destroy the enviroment for energy.https://www.statista.com/statistics/268011/top-countries-in-rare-earth-mine-production/ Awsome side step from rare elements to Cobalt. I'll just let it go.. 4 hours ago, billvon said: Yep. There are problems. Still way, way better than the damage done by coal mining and fracking. did you add fracking as a typo?,I'll assume you did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #903 May 17, 2019 1 hour ago, normiss said: I would waste any money on "buying my salvation". Religion is insanity. Thats exactly what I intended..... glad you picked it up. Weclome brethered to the GND.lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #904 May 17, 2019 1 hour ago, turtlespeed said: this is what I have read : The American Action Forum estimates that, between 2020 and 2029, the energy and environmental components of the Green New Deal would cost $8.3 trillion to $12.3 trillion, or $52,000 to $72,000 per household.Feb 26, 2019 Again, it's not that hard. The AAF and sister AAN are right wing groups established and funded solely to attack democratic ideas and candidates. It's the equivalent of Marcs wattsupwiththat BS. Their estimates are chocolate teapot useless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #905 May 17, 2019 51 minutes ago, Stumpy said: Again, it's not that hard. The AAF and sister AAN are right wing groups established and funded solely to attack democratic ideas and candidates. It's the equivalent of Marcs wattsupwiththat BS. Their estimates are chocolate teapot useless. OK - so how much will it be, in your estimates? Surely you have a trusted worthy source, or do you just try to knock everyone else's down and offer no solution. I had an employee for a short while that did that. He's come to the meeting table with a list of problems, and not one solution. He's no longer with us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #906 May 17, 2019 According to AOC, any consideration of cost is stupid 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #907 May 18, 2019 6 hours ago, richravizza said: Bill I admirer your fortitude, and mental athleticism. You simply refuse stay on course in your own use logic or like most, just decide to ignore it.Skillfully snaking your way around any question better than most politicians. If you say so! Quote 'Peak oil' was a bad fail theory dating back to the late 60s. It inferred that the only hydrocarbons we have are in the form of "proven reserves".With the advent of 3D seismic imaging, horizontal drilling, fracking technology we now have more proven reserves, than when oil was first discovered So you honestly think oil for fuel will last forever? Honestly? Quote The logic of Hydrocarbons being a finite, is sound,on its face. Ah. So oil will not last forever. Thank you for admitting that. So we agree that peak oil will, in fact, occur. Quote Would you bet your life on a couple more battery packs or solar panels? The astronauts on the ISS do - and they are in a far more dangerous environment than I am. So yes, I'd bet my life on them. Quote We still destroy the enviroment for energy. All energy sources damage the environment. Wind and solar just damage it less. As long as we damage the environment more slowly than it can restore itself, we are good. Reducing coal was a big step forward. Quote did you add fracking as a typo?,I'll assume you did. Nope. Fracking does a lot of damage and uses resources (specifically water) that are in very short supply. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #908 May 18, 2019 7 hours ago, turtlespeed said: this is what I have read : The American Action Forum estimates that, between 2020 and 2029, the energy and environmental components of the Green New Deal would cost $8.3 trillion to $12.3 trillion, or $52,000 to $72,000 per household.Feb 26, 2019 Given that the GND has no specific "environmental components" that's pretty funny. It's a general hand-wavy plan that does not call out a single specific action. But 8.3 TRILLION! Wow, that sounds really scary! Sign me up for your newsletter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #909 May 18, 2019 (edited) For those who don't live near a wind farm.These images are from the Tehachapi wind farm in SoCal. What reaction or emotions do these images invoke. Edited May 18, 2019 by richravizza remove double image Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #910 May 18, 2019 I love when a desolate unpopulated area is used to generate electricity. Nice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #911 May 18, 2019 1 hour ago, billvon said: Quote 'Peak oil' was a bad fail theory dating back to the late 60s. It inferred that the only hydrocarbons we have are in the form of "proven reserves".With the advent of 3D seismic imaging, horizontal drilling, fracking technology we now have more proven reserves, than when oil was first discovered So you honestly think oil for fuel will last forever? Honestly? We've Been Incorrectly Predicting Peak Oil For Over a Century If we were talking about all hydrocarbons and in all form, then Yes. As far as Oil, No. I'll agree with you, one day.... I believed that in the late 70's, I was wrong.In the 80's, I was wrong. Then in the 90's.I was wrong again.So, Iv'e been made a fool. Then in the late nineties when all hope was lost,that America would be dependent on other nations. New Inovativation and technology developed that were imposibilities just decades ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #912 May 18, 2019 48 minutes ago, normiss said: I love when a desolate unpopulated area is used to generate electricity. Nice. Awesome! 1:30 start point to avoid in your face blood and guts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottishJohn 25 #913 May 18, 2019 8 hours ago, richravizza said: For those who don't live near a wind farm.These images are from the Tehachapi wind farm in SoCal. What reaction or emotions do these images invoke. What about these images 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #914 May 18, 2019 17 hours ago, turtlespeed said: OK - so how much will it be, in your estimates? Surely you have a trusted worthy source, or do you just try to knock everyone else's down and offer no solution. I had an employee for a short while that did that. He's come to the meeting table with a list of problems, and not one solution. He's no longer with us. You realise you've just described the operating practices of the AAF don't you? I suspect it may have slipped past you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #915 May 19, 2019 22 hours ago, richravizza said: Awesome! 1:30 start point to avoid in your face blood and guts I find it quite amusing in the context of AGW debate when media combines sensationalism and ignorance on multiple fronts. Politics, media, sensationalism, fear and "blood and guts" simply don't hold up in the real world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #916 May 19, 2019 Are you kidding me!?!? ONE turtle gets a plastic straw stuck in its nose and half of the country goes batshit crazy and starts banning plastic straws. It is politics and fear that drive the whole AGW debate. ”OMG! We are running out of oil while we are destroying the planet! We have to do something! Think about the cute fuzzy polar bears” 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #917 May 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, brenthutch said: ”OMG! We are running out of oil while we are destroying the planet! We have to do something! Think about the cute fuzzy polar bears” . . .and the orange-spotted filefish and the golden toad! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #918 May 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Coreece said: . . .and the orange-spotted filefish and the golden toad! They have just as much right to live on this planet as humans do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #919 May 19, 2019 2 hours ago, kallend said: 4 hours ago, Coreece said: . . .and the orange-spotted filefish and the golden toad! They have just as much right to live on this planet as humans do. I think the overall point is that it's just stupid/hypocritical to exploit the death of animals just to support your preferred energy source. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #920 May 19, 2019 29 minutes ago, Coreece said: I think the overall point is that it's just stupid/hypocritical to exploit the death of animals just to support your preferred energy source. The point was missed completely you were supposed to skip past 130 And since this is my backyard you seem to think that it’s wonderful most of you see it as a vast desolate lifeless area but . ramifications and impacts are abound. Even the raging wildfires are stopped here .most would think that’s a good thing but that’s further from the truth Fire is essential in this ecosystem for it to thrive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #921 May 19, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 5:10 AM, ScottishJohn said: What about these images Well if you Remove the Last Picture of ENVIROMENTAL TERRORISM. Caused by a piece of shit Rabbid Human,that was Pinned in a corner,contemplating its own demise then... I would say they look the same, except for the spinning pinwheels of moral righteousness,atop all those dericks. I thought enviormentalist Hated mining.I do in any form,unfortunaty we must weigh the risk and benifits.Risks we Can't or Dont want to see, We have created a new monster.As if mining wasn't bad enough. We the collective idiots. Have decided to unleash an Entire new mining Industry, just more diverse. Just guess where the majority of these essential R.E.E. In places that could care less about the enviroment,or human life,Workers rights safety https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3mavb/we-dont-mine-enough-rare-earth-metals-to-replace-fossil-fuels-with-renewable-energy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #922 May 19, 2019 On 5/17/2019 at 7:31 PM, billvon said: Quote Would you bet your life on a couple more battery packs or solar panels? The astronauts on the ISS do - and they are in a far more dangerous environment than I am. So yes, I'd bet my life on them. Mental athleticism,you deffinatly never spent a winter in Vermont. I think you forgot, space dont have No clouds, rain or snow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #923 May 19, 2019 7 hours ago, brenthutch said: Are you kidding me!?!? ONE turtle gets a plastic straw stuck in its nose and half of the country goes batshit crazy and starts banning plastic straws. It is politics and fear that drive the whole AGW debate. ”OMG! We are running out of oil while we are destroying the planet! We have to do something! Think about the cute fuzzy polar bears” Better than "OMG! AOC is taking over the country and will bankrupt us! She will take trillions from our wallets, put the UN in charge and make us all gay marry!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #924 May 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, richravizza said: Mental athleticism,you deffinatly never spent a winter in Vermont. I think you forgot, space dont have No clouds, rain or snow. You'd be wrong on the first count. (New Hampshire actually.) On the second count, definitely. It would be a LOT easier to live in space if it had any of those things. As it stands, they rely on their technology to never fail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #925 May 19, 2019 8 hours ago, brenthutch said: Are you kidding me!?!? ONE turtle gets a plastic straw stuck in its nose and half of the country goes batshit crazy and starts banning plastic straws. It is politics and fear that drive the whole AGW debate. ”OMG! We are running out of oil while we are destroying the planet! We have to do something! Think about the cute fuzzy polar bears” Well, it's a lot more than ONE plastic straw causing problems. Its more like 500 million. Per DAY. And those straws (think about 500 million straws) are only a tiny fraction of the plastic garbage in the oceans. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2018/07/news-plastic-drinking-straw-history-ban/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
