billvon 3,078 #2151 February 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, DJL said: I think you're missing the point that it's not the fiscal issues that are expensive. Yep. A steady diet of McDonald's cheeseburgers is a lot cheaper ($/calorie) than a balanced diet. But not really a good idea in the long run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #2152 February 11, 2020 I thought burning coal was like smoking cigarettes, now its like eating a Big Mac? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #2153 February 11, 2020 54 minutes ago, DJL said: I think you're missing the point that it's not the fiscal issues that are expensive. I don't think he's missing anything. Its deliberate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #2154 February 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, brenthutch said: I thought burning coal was like smoking cigarettes, now its like eating a Big Mac? Well - Maybe he is getting it. Between the hammer vasectomy, smoking, and eating a diet of only McDonalds burgers . . . you think he'd get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,545 #2155 February 12, 2020 Nope, no way. There is intellectual and emotional investment in either not getting it, or not admitting it. Wendy P. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #2156 February 12, 2020 5 hours ago, brenthutch said: I thought burning coal was like smoking cigarettes, now its like eating a Big Mac? I imagine it must take a lot of effort to purposely misunderstand things like that. A+ for effort. As the previous post said, you are using some very "motivated" reasoning (or more accurately, denial thereof.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #2157 February 12, 2020 Seems Joe McCarthy is alive and well and living in Australia... How Academic ‘Blacklists’ Impede Serious Work On Climate Science Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #2158 February 12, 2020 9 hours ago, billvon said: I imagine it must take a lot of effort to purposely misunderstand things like that. A+ for effort. As the previous post said, you are using some very "motivated" reasoning (or more accurately, denial thereof.) I think you just realized how ridiculous your arguments have been. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #2159 February 15, 2020 U.S. Emissions Dropped in 2019 We're doing our part. I don't think China, Russia, or India are doing theirs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #2160 February 15, 2020 3 hours ago, airdvr said: U.S. Emissions Dropped in 2019 We're doing our part. I don't think China, Russia, or India are doing theirs And it is all because of fracking! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,836 #2161 February 15, 2020 51 minutes ago, brenthutch said: And it is all because of fracking! Not withstanding economic benefits and disregarding the CO2 argument for a minute, do you see any negative consequences from fracking? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #2162 February 15, 2020 7 hours ago, airdvr said: U.S. Emissions Dropped in 2019 We're doing our part. I don't think China, Russia, or India are doing theirs Not yet. When it's a question of buying the hybrid or regular version of your favorite car, it's easy to be green. When it's a question of burning coal or having your family freeze, most people are going to choose their family. Be thankful we can make such a choice so easily without anyone suffering. Solution there? Develop solutions _here_ that can be used in places like India so they have the same sort of choices we do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #2163 February 15, 2020 3 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Not withstanding economic benefits and disregarding the CO2 argument for a minute, do you see any negative consequences from fracking? Yale says fracking causes gonorrhea. https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/22299/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #2164 February 17, 2020 On 2/15/2020 at 10:38 AM, brenthutch said: Yale says fracking causes gonorrhea. https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/22299/ Well, that is fucked up. BOT, https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/10/uk-renewables-generate-electricity-fossil-fuels?fbclid=IwAR0sCfbYcrdBhbW9G9HWcGDLN_UWeZBDK0lpcvL5xhp3QeCO-Q8Ab2h-9FE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #2165 February 17, 2020 5 hours ago, headoverheels said: Well, that is fucked up. BOT, https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/10/uk-renewables-generate-electricity-fossil-fuels?fbclid=IwAR0sCfbYcrdBhbW9G9HWcGDLN_UWeZBDK0lpcvL5xhp3QeCO-Q8Ab2h-9FE Whatever will we do!!!??? THE Government has announced plans to bring forward its ban on selling new petrol and diesel vehicles to 2035. https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18237005.future-motoring-uk-will-electric/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #2166 February 18, 2020 (edited) https://www.climatedepot.com/2020/02/17/watch-cnns-rare-moment-of-clarity-on-climate-cnns-fareed-zakaria-the-sanders-green-energy-plan-is-magical-thinking/ Now even Fareed Zakaria agrees with me. GND=Magical thinking (BTW that was CNN not FOX) Edited February 18, 2020 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2167 February 18, 2020 19 hours ago, brenthutch said: https://www.climatedepot.com/2020/02/17/watch-cnns-rare-moment-of-clarity-on-climate-cnns-fareed-zakaria-the-sanders-green-energy-plan-is-magical-thinking/ Now even Fareed Zakaria agrees with me. GND=Magical thinking (BTW that was CNN not FOX) Looks like you don't understand the difference between Green New Deal and Sander's Green Energy Plan. (BTW just cause they both have the word "green" doesn't make them to same) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #2168 February 18, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, SkyDekker said: Looks like you don't understand the difference between Green New Deal and Sander's Green Energy Plan. (BTW just cause they both have the word "green" doesn't make them to same) The difference is that the GND was aspirational, and Sander's plan just put meat on the bones. As my grandmother used to say "wish in one hand and shit in the other, and see which one fills up first" The GND was just rainbows and unicorn farts, the Sanders plan involved real sacrifice and pain. Edited February 18, 2020 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2169 February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, brenthutch said: The difference is that the GND was aspirational, and Sander's plan just put meat on the bones. As my grandmother used to say "wish in one hand and shit in the other, and see which one fills up first" The GND was just rainbows and unicorn farts, the Sanders plan involved real sacrifice and pain. If you understand there is a difference, then why did you use commentary on Sander's plan to opine on GND? Are you just making this shit up as you go along, grasping at anything that has the word green in it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #2170 February 18, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: If you understand there is a difference, then why did you use commentary on Sander's plan to opine on GND? Are you just making this shit up as you go along, grasping at anything that has the word green in it? The Sander's plan is the real green new deal. The AOC version was just a leftist fantasy. Which one do you support? Edited February 18, 2020 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2171 February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, brenthutch said: The Sander's plan is the real green new deal. Except that is not what he is calling it. That is what you are calling it. It does look like you are just making this up as you go along. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #2172 February 18, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Except that is not what he is calling it. That is what you are calling it. It does look like you are just making this up as you go along. One is fantasy and one is a policy proposal. Which one are you one board with? Edited February 18, 2020 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2173 February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, brenthutch said: One is fantasy and one is a policy proposal. Which one are you one board with. That isn't true either. Green New Deal was indeed a policy proposal, packaged in a pair of House Resolutions. Sander's plan is a platform statement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #2174 February 18, 2020 Just now, SkyDekker said: That isn't true either. Green New Deal was indeed a policy proposal, packaged in a pair of House Resolutions. Sander's plan is a platform statement. Which one do you back though? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2175 February 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: Which one do you back though? Why would I have to back one? Is the assumption that only people who back something can be accurate? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
