Stupid firearm accident thread

[gowlerk 2,191]

Dude at the local skeet range manages to shoot himself.

https://smnewsnet.com/archives/469616/police-respond-to-accidental-shooting-at-lexington-park-sportsmens-club/

[gowlerk 2,191]

Man shoots his toddler. Dead. This guy has been charged, so I assume he is not white.

https://www.katc.com/news/covering-louisiana/police-father-mishandling-gun-fatally-shoots-toddler

[yoink 321]

On 1/27/2020 at 7:12 AM, turtlespeed said:

It would just get ridiculed - 

It would be along the lines of a "Trump Cured Cancer" thread - No matter how good it is . . . it would never be admitted to be good.

Do it. 

 

It would be great to keep a tally of the 'good guy with a gun' incidents vs 'idiot with a gun' ones.

 

 

But you won't. Because you know EXACTLY how that tallies out. 

 

[turtlespeed 220]

On 2/9/2020 at 12:38 AM, yoink said:

Do it. 

 

It would be great to keep a tally of the 'good guy with a gun' incidents vs 'idiot with a gun' ones.

 

 

But you won't. Because you know EXACTLY how that tallies out. 

 

Good news isn't reported but 1/10 of sensational news, so, Unless I was everywhere, I couldn't do that correctly.

[yoink 321]

2 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Good news isn't reported but 1/10 of sensational news, so, Unless I was everywhere, I couldn't do that correctly.

Lots of shootings aren’t even reported anymore. They’re not even newsworthy.

[turtlespeed 220]

2 minutes ago, yoink said:

Lots of shootings aren’t even reported anymore. They’re not even newsworthy.

I guess we both lose then.

[billvon 2,991]

29 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Good news isn't reported but 1/10 of sensational news, so, Unless I was everywhere, I couldn't do that correctly.

Sure you could.  Any gun owner who pulled his weapon and foiled an evildoer is going to post about it on every social media service there is.  Heck, that's practically the mantra of the gun rights lobby; said gun owner is going to shout it to the hills, thus demonstrating his wisdom in carrying a gun and his bravery in foiling the crime.  And once the NRA sees it, their publicity machine is going to make sure it's in every newspaper and website in the country.  And then the GOP will see it, and they will use FOX News to do the same.  You won't be able to go to any news site without seeing a report on it; 28% of the country will demand it.

The only catch might be that it simply doesn't happen very often.

[turtlespeed 220]

8 minutes ago, billvon said:

Sure you could.  Any gun owner who pulled his weapon and foiled an evildoer is going to post about it on every social media service there is.  Heck, that's practically the mantra of the gun rights lobby; said gun owner is going to shout it to the hills, thus demonstrating his wisdom in carrying a gun and his bravery in foiling the crime.  And once the NRA sees it, their publicity machine is going to make sure it's in every newspaper and website in the country.  And then the GOP will see it, and they will use FOX News to do the same.  You won't be able to go to any news site without seeing a report on it; 28% of the country will demand it.

The only catch might be that it simply doesn't happen very often.

That's simply not true.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

17 minutes ago, billvon said:

The only catch might be that it simply doesn't happen very often.

Hi Bill,

Nine years ago, there was a shooting at the Clackamas Town Center here in Oregon.  A young guy with an AR-15.

A guy with a concealed firearm ( legal carry permit ) cowered behind a column and did not fire a shot.

He later said that he did not fire out of his fear of hitting innocent bystanders.

I think he simply sh** his pants and was too scared to do anything but hide.

Jerry Baumchen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clackamas_Town_Center_shooting

[kallend 2,027]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

That's simply not true.

Very droll.  You KNOW it's what the gun lobby does, very effectively.

[turtlespeed 220]

1 hour ago, kallend said:

Very droll.  You KNOW it's what the gun lobby does, very effectively.

It simply isn't true.

The NRA may take a percentage of self aggrandizing people that are idiots and need attention and exploit them.

I do know that what you perceive to be the truth, because it feels like it should be the truth, is NOT the truth.

Not everyone, and I'm going to guess that even MOST legal carriers of firearms, that have stopped an incident from happening, with a handgun, or firearm, even bother reporting it to anyone except their friends and family, if even them.

[billvon 2,991]

3 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

That's simply not true.

Of course it's true.  28% of the US identifies as Republican, and one of their top planks is gun rights.  There are so many mass shootings nowadays that they are feeling besieged, because every time there's a new mass shooting, easy availability of guns, large capacity magazines and lack of mental health screening are cited as contributing factors.  This concerns them because it may make it harder to buy as many guns as they would like.  Their comeback is always "well, but I am responsible and carry my gun to protect myself and my family!  How dare you make me into an unarmed victim!"

This only works if guns actually are used to protect themselves and others, of course.  Thus, a good guy shooting a bad guy is about the only real ammunition (no pun intended) they have to 'prove' that that premise is correct.  That's why whenever something like that happens, FOX News covers it extensively, as does every right winger on social media.  "You won't hear CNN reporting on THIS!" they all say (ironically, this generally happens after a CNN report on the incident.)

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The NRA may take a percentage of self aggrandizing people that are idiots and need attention and exploit them.

Yes, they do.  And they also use every propaganda weapon they have to counter the Sandy Hooks, the Vegas concerts, the Orlando night clubs and the Virginia Techs that happen so very frequently.  Unfortunately, their source of counterexamples is pretty meager.

[turtlespeed 220]

50 minutes ago, billvon said:

Of course it's true.  28% of the US identifies as Republican, and one of their top planks is gun rights.  There are so many mass shootings nowadays that they are feeling besieged, because every time there's a new mass shooting, easy availability of guns, large capacity magazines and lack of mental health screening are cited as contributing factors.  This concerns them because it may make it harder to buy as many guns as they would like.  Their comeback is always "well, but I am responsible and carry my gun to protect myself and my family!  How dare you make me into an unarmed victim!"

This only works if guns actually are used to protect themselves and others, of course.  Thus, a good guy shooting a bad guy is about the only real ammunition (no pun intended) they have to 'prove' that that premise is correct.  That's why whenever something like that happens, FOX News covers it extensively, as does every right winger on social media.  "You won't hear CNN reporting on THIS!" they all say (ironically, this generally happens after a CNN report on the incident.)

Yes, they do.  And they also use every propaganda weapon they have to counter the Sandy Hooks, the Vegas concerts, the Orlando night clubs and the Virginia Techs that happen so very frequently.  Unfortunately, their source of counterexamples is pretty meager.

Perhaps that is because the majority - the ones that are unknown and unpublicized, are stopped by people that don't want to be wrung out on the media stage.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

4 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Perhaps that is because the majority - the ones that are unknown and unpublicized, are stopped by people that don't want to be wrung out on the media stage.

And you know this because?

[turtlespeed 220]

8 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

And you know this because?

Because I know.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 minute ago, turtlespeed said:

Because I know.

So basically more unfounded bullshit you just feel in your tummy is true. No wonder your country ends up having presidents like Trump and police departments declaring war against mayors.

[turtlespeed 220]

Just now, SkyDekker said:

So basically more unfounded bullshit you just feel in your tummy is true. No wonder your country ends up having presidents like Trump and police departments declaring war against mayors.

I suppose so.

[billvon 2,991]

33 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Perhaps that is because the majority - the ones that are unknown and unpublicized, are stopped by people that don't want to be wrung out on the media stage.

So there are a large majority of people who pull their weapons, stop crimes, don't report them to the police, and are unobserved by anyone else doing so?   And never tell anyone because they are afraid of the media?

OK then.   How very convenient.  Although come to think of it, I can think of ten times the number of crimes stopped by criminals who fear that they will run afoul of gun laws.

[normiss 798]

41 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

And you know this because?

He said he "guessed". It's all about "the feels".

[yoink 321]

4 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

 

I do know that what you perceive to be the truth, because it feels like it should be the truth, is NOT the truth.

 

Pot. Meet kettle.

[yoink 321]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Because I know.

Seriously? That's the best you've got? That wasn't even an acceptable comeback at grade school.

But it does show that discussing the issue with you is utterly pointless. Your belief is based in a faith that you WANT to believe because you have an agenda. Not in any actual, factual, reported discernible facts.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

26 minutes ago, yoink said:

Seriously? That's the best you've got? That wasn't even an acceptable comeback at grade school.

But it does show that discussing the issue with you is utterly pointless. Your belief is based in a faith that you WANT to believe because you have an agenda. Not in any actual, factual, reported discernible facts.

For the most part Turtle just posts because FUN! No thought is required because no consequences follow. When he posts thought free drivel someone feeds him with a serious reply. Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

[wmw999 2,446]

But at least he’s funnier than some other posters. And he has moderated some views. You can’t agree on everything. 

Wendy P. 

[normiss 798]

3 hours ago, wmw999 said:

But at least he’s funnier than some other posters. And he has moderated some views. You can’t agree on everything. 

Wendy P. 

Also we have abandoned all fact and truth in America, so he has that benefit as well.

[headoverheels 333]

To get us back on topic:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/us/teenager-bb-gun-death-trnd/index.html