Trump - A New Battle Everyday

[tonyhays 86]

10 hours ago, kallend said:

"What did he know and when did he know it?"

Woodward's new book and his tapes of Trump speaking are pretty damning.

'Play it down': Trump admits to concealing the true threat of coronavirus in new Woodward book

Seriously, how stupid is Trump?  Telling this to Woodward while being recorded.

Can't wait to hear Trump supporters tie themselves into a pretezel defending this.  

[olofscience 480]

1 hour ago, tonyhays said:

Seriously, how stupid is Trump?  Telling this to Woodward while being recorded.

Can't wait to hear Trump supporters tie themselves into a pretezel defending this.  

Call me a pessimist, but trumpists will find this "easy" to defend against.

They'll say: Trump downplayed covid-19 intentionally because people are stupid and panic easily. This fits into their belief system:

1. instead of deception, this can imply Trump is smarter than he outwardly appeared to be (nevermind the fact that he then went on to lose the battle against covid-19)
2. this implies the Trumpist is also smarter than the common, "easily-panicked" person. This makes them feel good about themselves even though there's no evidence for it.

Trump's core supporters won't be swayed by this. The only ones to convince are those near or on the fence.

Edited September 10, 2020 by olofscience

[nigel99 474]

2 hours ago, olofscience said:

Call me a pessimist, but trumpists will find this "easy" to defend against.

They'll say: Trump downplayed covid-19 intentionally because people are stupid and panic easily. This fits into their belief system:

1. instead of deception, this can imply Trump is smarter than he outwardly appeared to be (nevermind the fact that he then went on to lose the battle against covid-19)
2. this implies the Trumpist is also smarter than the common, "easily-panicked" person. This makes them feel good about themselves even though there's no evidence for it.

Trump's core supporters won't be swayed by this. The only ones to convince are those near or on the fence.

Agreed. The Trump cult will follow him regardless 

[jakee 1,489]

3 hours ago, olofscience said:

Call me a pessimist, but trumpists will find this "easy" to defend against.

They'll say: Trump downplayed covid-19 intentionally because people are stupid and panic easily. This fits into their belief system:

The hardcore Trumpeteers were already trying this way back in Feb/March.

 

Nevermind that it requires believing that people would panic if they’re told COVID is dangerous and a lockdown is necessary or people will die, but they won’t panic if they’re told COVID is dangerous and a lockdown is necessary while thousands of people are already dying.

 

Nevermind they’d also need to explain why the American people are such a bunch of cowardly snowflakes that they’d erupt into mass panic in a way that the citizens of no other western or developed country did when their leadership reacted strongly and early to the pandemic.

[olofscience 480]

11 minutes ago, jakee said:

Nevermind they’d also need to explain why the American people are such a bunch of cowardly snowflakes that they’d erupt into mass panic in a way that the citizens of no other western or developed country did when their leadership reacted strongly and early to the pandemic.

They'd blame that on the left.

Ron already thinks that left wingers are cowardly snowflakes and some like Markharju were itching for a civil war so they can get rid of the 50% on the opposing side.

If you don't know someone personally, a natural inclination is to reduce them to oversimplified caricatures in your head to save on mental space (see Dunbar's number). EVERYONE, left or right, has to do it at some point. Where this point is, depends on how much capacity is available in your brain.

"More information", facts, or education won't help people who are already at the limit of their brain capacity, unfortunately.

[Phil1111 1,149]

5 hours ago, tonyhays said:

Seriously, how stupid is Trump?  Telling this to Woodward while being recorded.

Can't wait to hear Trump supporters tie themselves into a pretezel defending this.  

We all know trump apologists never tie themselves into pretzels in attempts to understand something, understand facts. They turn on FOX so they can learn how to think.

[ryoder 1,590]

[kallend 2,027]

8 hours ago, olofscience said:

Call me a pessimist, but trumpists will find this "easy" to defend against.

They'll say: Trump downplayed covid-19 intentionally because people are stupid and panic easily. This fits into their belief system:

1. instead of deception, this can imply Trump is smarter than he outwardly appeared to be (nevermind the fact that he then went on to lose the battle against covid-19)
2. this implies the Trumpist is also smarter than the common, "easily-panicked" person. This makes them feel good about themselves even though there's no evidence for it.

Trump's core supporters won't be swayed by this. The only ones to convince are those near or on the fence.

Kayleigh McEnany. has already taken this tack.

Churchill's must have caused mass panic in the UK with his "Blood, toil, tears and sweat" and "We shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender". 

Yep, that's no way to lead a nation.  You have to lie to the people and tell them everything is fine.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

8 hours ago, olofscience said:

Call me a pessimist, but trumpists will find this "easy" to defend against.

They'll say: Trump downplayed covid-19 intentionally because people are stupid and panic easily.

Ironically these are the same people who object to liberalism because it supposedly creates a nanny state with the government deciding what is best for the population. If any group should be outraged by this it should be Republicans.

If the last 4 years have shown anything, it is that Republicans and evangelicals stand for nothing. They are completely spineless.

[gowlerk 2,192]

3 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

If the last 4 years have shown anything, it is that Republicans and evangelicals stand for nothing. They are completely spineless.

Not true. They stand for fear of non-whites. They just won't say it out loud. Caravans anyone? Or as Ron once posted, being overrun by "raccoons".

Edited September 10, 2020 by gowlerk

[SkyDekker 1,465]

4 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Not true. They stand for fear of non-whites. They just won't say it out loud. Caravans anyone? Or as Ron once posted, being overrun by "raccoons".

They don't stand for that either, because they will happily use their cheap labour.

If they stand for anything, it is for money and power at the cost of anything else.

[gowlerk 2,192]

3 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

If they stand for anything, it is for money and power at the cost of anything else.

Yes, that is the corporate and wealthy side of the R party. They make common cause with the "evangelicals" who are more in tune with the Stephen Miller branch. It is an unholy alliance.

Edited September 10, 2020 by gowlerk

[ryoder 1,590]

Federal Court Rejects Trump’s Order to Exclude Undocumented From Census

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/us/census-undocumented-trump.html

A federal court on Thursday rejected President Trump’s order to exclude unauthorized immigrants from population counts that will be used next year to reallocate seats in the House of Representatives, ruling that it was so obviously illegal that a lawsuit challenging the order need not go to a trial.

[ryoder 1,590]

NY Daily News - EXCLUSIVE: Trump administration secretly withheld millions from FDNY 9/11 health program

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-fdny-911-health-program-treasury-20200910-s7yam67j6vhmhbdzg6ordanfdm-story.html

[headoverheels 333]

2 hours ago, ryoder said:

NY Daily News - EXCLUSIVE: Trump administration secretly withheld millions from FDNY 9/11 health program

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-fdny-911-health-program-treasury-20200910-s7yam67j6vhmhbdzg6ordanfdm-story.html

Looks like it started under the Obama administration.