turtlespeed 220 #76 January 31, 2020 3 hours ago, billvon said: If someone doesn't like a new law it is absolutely "shoves." (I am sure you don't need examples; you provided some good ones above.) If they are unduly rushed - like the impeachment - to meet a political timing goal - THAT is shoved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #77 January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, turtlespeed said: If they are unduly rushed - like the impeachment - to meet a political timing goal - THAT is shoved. So like all the judge appointments under this administration? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #78 January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, SkyDekker said: So like all the judge appointments under this administration? Yes. Like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #79 January 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: Yes. Like that. Yeah, none of that is shoved. I don't like the process, but they are following it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #80 February 1, 2020 1 hour ago, SkyDekker said: Yeah, none of that is shoved. I don't like the process, but they are following it. It is shoved - It may be legal - it may be "just part of it" but it is still shoved. Anytime you have to take a back channel to get done what you want because you have opposition to it any other way - it is shoving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #81 February 3, 2020 On 1/31/2020 at 4:46 PM, turtlespeed said: It is shoved - It may be legal - it may be "just part of it" but it is still shoved. Anytime you have to take a back channel to get done what you want because you have opposition to it any other way - it is shoving. Then everything is shoved, cause every bill has back channel discussions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #82 February 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Then everything is shoved, cause every bill has back channel discussions. No. Most have enough effort put in, with an adequate amount of discussion and debate. When the media and the Senate and the House have a consensus on the fact that the bill is moving through too quickly, that would be shoved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #83 February 3, 2020 Just now, turtlespeed said: When the media and the Senate and the House have a consensus on the fact that the bill is moving through too quickly, that would be shoved. If the Senate and House agree on that, then it can't move through, considering both the Senate and the House have to vote on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #84 February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, SkyDekker said: If the Senate and House agree on that, then it can't move through, considering both the Senate and the House have to vote on it. Right - which is why they had to wait until no one was there to do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #85 February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, turtlespeed said: Right - which is why they had to wait until no one was there to do it. They had a vote with no one there? How did they hold the vote? What was the vote count? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
