SkyDekker 1,465 #51 January 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: Probably, but only if you believe that there is a way to choose. If there is absolutely no choice, then no. Then you must believe that being homosexual is a choice. Hasn't that been debunked enough? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #52 January 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Then you must believe that being homosexual is a choice. Hasn't that been debunked enough? I know a lot of people generally accept that as fact. I also know that a lot of people accept the idea that there is a God as fact. All I know for sure, is that I don't know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #53 January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, turtlespeed said: I know a lot of people generally accept that as fact. I also know that a lot of people accept the idea that there is a God as fact. All I know for sure, is that I don't know. Half the population has an IQ below 100. Doesn't mean you have to follow them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,192 #54 January 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: I disagree with some of the lifestyle choices made that generally are the cause of popular stereotyping. I look at it along the same lines as I imagine you view partitioners of a church, Synagogue, or other place of worship. Again, what is it about their "lifesyle" that you disagree with. Is it anything other than the type of sex they have? And why can't you just say so? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #55 January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, gowlerk said: Again, what is it about their "lifesyle" that you disagree with. Is it anything other than the type of sex they have? And why can't you just say so? What makes you think I have anything against the type of sex they have? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,192 #56 January 10, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, turtlespeed said: What makes you think I have anything against the type of sex they have? No you don't get to turn it back on me. I ask again, what do you mean by "lifestyle"? Edited January 10, 2020 by gowlerk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #57 January 11, 2020 3 hours ago, gowlerk said: No you don't get to turn it back on me. I ask again, what do you mean by "lifestyle"? Absolutely I do - You made an assumption, and asked a loaded question. I cannot answer that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,192 #58 January 11, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: Absolutely I do - You made an assumption, and asked a loaded question. I cannot answer that. I will continue to make an assumption that there is some reason you will not identify the "lifestyle choices" you disagree with. All the gay people I know have lifestyles that are similar to the straight people I know. Except that they live as same sex couples. Other than that they seem to me to live the same way as everyone else. There is only one "lifestyle choice" that is different. Therefore I will simply have to believe that is the one you object to. And you would not be alone. Thankfully this is changing, and probably even you are beginning to realize that it is really none of your business, and it harms no one. Old habits die hard. I'm 62 years old. I too was taught to hate gay people from a young age. Before I even knew what it meant. I changed and so are you changing. Edited January 11, 2020 by gowlerk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #59 January 11, 2020 Turtle, the term "lifestyle choice" was code among the evangelicals that I worked with for "gay sex (especially among men) because it's in the Leviticus." I know you're not evangelical (or at least I think you've said you're not), so if you're using a terminology that's often used that way, it's reasonable for people to think you're objecting to the same thing. And hating homosexuality because it's called out in Leviticus is kind of homophobic; after all, most of the evangelicals I worked with enjoyed shrimp, trimmed their facial hair, and were perfectly willing to eat cheeseburgers... Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #60 January 11, 2020 (edited) https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=frisky+dingo+killface+lavidicus&&view=detail&mid=C19379EC29F136E1AAFBC19379EC29F136E1AAFB&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dfrisky%20dingo%20killface%20lavidicus%26qs%3Dn%26form%3DQBVR%26sp%3D-1%26pq%3Dfrisky%20dingo%20killface%20lavidicus%26sc%3D0-31%26sk%3D%26cvid%3DA3136166127B4D6EA703A08B9299972F Edited January 11, 2020 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #61 January 11, 2020 7 hours ago, turtlespeed said: I know a lot of people generally accept that as fact. I also know that a lot of people accept the idea that there is a God as fact. All I know for sure, is that I don't know. "People are saying. . . . . . ." Very Trumpy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #62 January 11, 2020 14 hours ago, turtlespeed said: I think you are assuming that anyone that doesn't agree with Homosexuality has a dislike of Homosexuals. Nope. If someone doesn't like homosexuality, but has no problems letting homosexuals have the same rights everyone else does, and holds no prejudice against them for that, then they are not homophobic. I don't like pot, and I think smoking laws to protect people from secondhand smoke make sense, but I have no problem with someone else who decides to smoke it. Quote I do not dislike homosexuals. I hold no predudice against them. I would not willingly engage in homosexual acts. That does not put me in the homophobe box. Agreed! Quote I do not agree with their lifestyle. What does that mean? You don't want to be gay? No worries. You treat gay people differently because of their lifestyle, so you can be sure you are not "supporting" it or them? Then that's a bit bigoted. As an example, if you disagreed with the "black lifestyle" and that meant you didn't want to associate with black people, or treated them differently, that would be a bit racist. Quote Im curious - why change the general most accepted use/definition of a phobia though? Is it laziness, or was changing the definition of "Homophobia" to include a simple disagreement with, because it is more sensational, outrageous, and biting? Same reason hydrophobia means rabies, and hydrophobic means water-repellent. Words change meaning with time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,720 #63 January 11, 2020 (edited) On 12/31/2019 at 11:31 PM, brenthutch said: Or don't let a dude stick his penis up your butt if you are a dude. A simple behavioral modification. If engaging with assholes for pleasure make someone gay, I guess I am now. Edited January 11, 2020 by JoeWeber 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #64 January 11, 2020 14 hours ago, wmw999 said: Turtle, the term "lifestyle choice" was code among the evangelicals that I worked with for "gay sex (especially among men) because it's in the Leviticus." I know you're not evangelical (or at least I think you've said you're not), so if you're using a terminology that's often used that way, it's reasonable for people to think you're objecting to the same thing. And hating homosexuality because it's called out in Leviticus is kind of homophobic; after all, most of the evangelicals I worked with enjoyed shrimp, trimmed their facial hair, and were perfectly willing to eat cheeseburgers... Wendy P. I don't disagree with any of that. And again - disagreeing with something doesn't equal hate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #65 January 11, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, billvon said: On 1/10/2020 at 8:29 AM, turtlespeed said: I think you are assuming that anyone that doesn't agree with Homosexuality has a dislike of Homosexuals. Nope. If someone doesn't like homosexuality, but has no problems letting homosexuals have the same rights everyone else does, and holds no prejudice against them for that, then they are not homophobic. I don't like pot, and I think smoking laws to protect people from secondhand smoke make sense, but I have no problem with someone else who decides to smoke it. Then we are in agreement 100% 11 hours ago, billvon said: As an example, if you disagreed with the "black lifestyle" and that meant you didn't want to associate with black people, or treated them differently, that would be a bit racist. What is "Black Lifestyle" that you refer to? Edited January 11, 2020 by turtlespeed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #66 January 11, 2020 3 hours ago, JoeWeber said: On 12/31/2019 at 9:31 PM, brenthutch said: Or don't let a dude stick his penis up your butt if you are a dude. A simple behavioral modification. If engaging with assholes for pleasure make someone gay, I guess I am now. Whoah - Nicely disguised personal attack. Actually, No. No it wasn't, not really. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,192 #67 January 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: Whoah - Nicely disguised personal attack. Actually, No. No it wasn't, not really. It was awesome. Better than any of your posts. Short and to the point. And a real joke. He turned brenthutch's lame homophobe attack into a funny. And it was phrased so that it was at his own expense. Take a lesson. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #68 January 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, gowlerk said: It was awesome. Better than any of your posts. Short and to the point. And a real joke. He turned brenthutch's lame homophobe attack into a funny. And it was phrased so that it was at his own expense. Take a lesson. So - what you are directing me to do is to learn to better post personal attacks. Gotcha. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,192 #69 January 11, 2020 Just now, turtlespeed said: So - what you are directing me to do is to learn to better post personal attacks. Gotcha. Yes, learn to do it well and be entertaining. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #70 January 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, gowlerk said: Yes, learn to do it well and be entertaining. Why personally attack anyone? OH - I get it. That all you got. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,192 #71 January 11, 2020 1 minute ago, turtlespeed said: Why personally attack anyone? OH - I get it. That all you got. See, now you are starting to learn. But this PA is still pretty weak, and contains no self awareness. Keep trying, you'll get better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,720 #72 January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, gowlerk said: Yes, learn to do it well and be entertaining. I'm curious Ken, if the asshole you're having a good time playing with is impenetrable is it still gay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #73 January 11, 2020 5 hours ago, turtlespeed said: What is "Black Lifestyle" that you refer to? You know. Like the gay lifestyle, except with black people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #74 January 12, 2020 4 hours ago, billvon said: You know. Like the gay lifestyle, except with black people. I'll need you to be as specific as I am supposed to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #75 January 13, 2020 On 1/9/2020 at 11:25 AM, kallend said: I suspect that far more people have picked up syphilis, etc, from heterosexual encounters. "Most cases of syphilis in the United States are among gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men." https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/stdfact-msm-syphilis.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
