brenthutch 444 #1 Posted January 3, 2020 Tesla subsidies went away and for a Christmas present wind and solar loose their subsidies https://www.wind-watch.org/news/2019/12/27/wind-solar-face-future-without-subsidies/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #2 January 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Tesla subsidies went away and for a Christmas present wind and solar loose their subsidies https://www.wind-watch.org/news/2019/12/27/wind-solar-face-future-without-subsidies/ Cool - Now Maybe we can take the oils and gas subsidies away. But I wonder - Did they just let them go into the atmosphere? Is that a form of pollution? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #3 January 3, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: Cool - Now Maybe we can take the oils and gas subsidies away. But I wonder - Did they just let them go into the atmosphere? Is that a form of pollution? Net net oil and gas subsidize the government not the other way around. If we want to stick it to oil and gas, I'm fine with that, but the poor folks who will have to bear the burden of what amounts to a highly regressive tax when the financial will be passed on to them might not be. I think the oil, gas and coal companies should receive a tax credit for all of the beneficial CO2 they are contributing to the planet. Edited January 3, 2020 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #4 January 3, 2020 Financial burden, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #5 January 3, 2020 12 hours ago, brenthutch said: Net net oil and gas subsidize the government not the other way around. If we want to stick it to oil and gas, I'm fine with that, but the poor folks who will have to bear the burden of what amounts to a highly regressive tax when the financial will be passed on to them might not be. We were talking about this a while back, the subsidies were in place to get it started and there wasn't much lobbying to keep them because they're now a profitable enterprise. Win/Win. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #6 January 4, 2020 12 hours ago, DJL said: We were talking about this a while back, the subsidies were in place to get it started and there wasn't much lobbying to keep them because they're now a profitable enterprise. Win/Win. It's an ass load better than bailing out the current car makers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,030 #7 January 7, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 5:10 PM, brenthutch said: Net net oil and gas subsidize the government not the other way around. And renewables create hundreds of thousands of jobs - and solar fab equipment is one of the few bits of technology the US exports, to the delight of the people working in those industries and pulling in dollars from China. Oil may subsidize the government; renewables subsidize the people. And the power renewables generate is often privately owned; people use solar to generate their own energy independent of government owned utilities. No wonder the deep state loves oil and hates renewables. They can't control them. Perhaps once the government figures out how to tax sunlight and wind you'll get behind them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #8 January 7, 2020 8 hours ago, billvon said: And renewables create hundreds of thousands of jobs - and solar fab equipment is one of the few bits of technology the US exports, to the delight of the people working in those industries and pulling in dollars from China. Oil may subsidize the government; renewables subsidize the people. And the power renewables generate is often privately owned; people use solar to generate their own energy independent of government owned utilities. No wonder the deep state loves oil and hates renewables. They can't control them. Perhaps once the government figures out how to tax sunlight and wind you'll get behind them. I believe that would solely depend on the impact to his income. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,063 #9 January 16, 2020 (edited) Federal deficit exceeded $1Trillion in 2019. According to the Treasury, In the last 3 years Federal revenues have increased by an average of 2.6 percent per year. Spending has increased by 5.7 percent per year, and the deficit has grown by 20.8 percent per year. YetTrump promised to eliminate the debt. He also promised that Mexico would pay for The Wall, that Hillary would be locked up, that he'd introduce a wonderful healthcare plan, that he'd release his tax returns, and that he'd be too busy to play golf. Edited January 16, 2020 by kallend Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 816 #10 January 16, 2020 So much winning it hurts. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #11 January 16, 2020 Well, on the other hand, he claimed he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it. So far, he's committed numerous felonies, violated international law and threatened to commit war crimes. And the Republican party keeps on ignoring those crimes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
