timski 80 #1 Posted January 4, 2020 So let me get this straight, because I'm FAR from having all the facts... The U.S. conducts a "hit" on a high ranking Iranian General on Iraq soil, the international airport none the less! Does anyone else see a problem with this? Lets discuss our future! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,190 #2 January 4, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, timski said: So let me get this straight, because I'm FAR from having all the facts... The U.S. conducts a "hit" on a high ranking Iranian General on Iraq soil, the international airport none the less! Does anyone else see a problem with this? Lets discuss our future! I have been questioning this in my mind as well. This is Baghdad, doesn't the US have the ability to apprehend pretty much anyone with the help of the Iraqi military at the Baghdad airport? Why was a drone strike and a Hellfire missile needed? Unless of course they knew that they had no grounds to just kidnap and hold him instead of a simple assassination. Edited January 4, 2020 by gowlerk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #3 January 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, gowlerk said: I have been questioning this in my mind as well. This is Baghdad, doesn't the US have the ability to apprehend pretty much anyone with the help of the Iraqi military at the Baghdad airport? Why was a drone strike and a Hellfire missile needed? Unless of course they knew that they had no grounds to just kidnap and hold him instead of a simple assassination. Good riddance! Persia/Iran has been meddling with Middle Eastern regional politics for something like 5,000 years now. The sad part is that their meddling has caused immense amounts of misery for Middle-Eastern citizens since the last Shah was deposed in 1989. Funny how Americans only got upset after their pet/puppet Shah was deposed in 1989. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #4 January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, riggerrob said: Good riddance! Persia/Iran has been meddling with Middle Eastern regional politics for something like 5,000 years now. The sad part is that their meddling has caused immense amounts of misery for Middle-Eastern citizens since the last Shah was deposed in 1989. Funny how Americans only got upset after their pet/puppet Shah was deposed in 1989. The upset part came when the money wasn't flowing into the correct pockets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timski 80 #5 January 5, 2020 Ok friends, this thread wasn't started to take a trip down memory lane, THIS is the NOW! As much as I'd like, I can't quit my job and sell it all and live in a transit van like some fucking skydiving nomad. I have a family and a home and just want to live in peace and never have to worry about my personal safety or the well being of my loved ones... I don't want to have to prep for the end of the grid as we know it. I don't want to squirrel away ammo/guns for the day to come when I may have to defend what little I have... "WW III" isn't a worry, but when the grid gets compromised, you will see the worst of humanity come out, quickly. This is what keeps me up at night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #6 January 5, 2020 5 hours ago, riggerrob said: Good riddance! Persia/Iran has been meddling with Middle Eastern regional politics for something like 5,000 years now. The sad part is that their meddling has caused immense amounts of misery for Middle-Eastern citizens since the last Shah was deposed in 1989. Funny how Americans only got upset after their pet/puppet Shah was deposed in 1989. Pssst! 1979 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,190 #7 January 5, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, timski said: "WW III" isn't a worry, but when the grid gets compromised, you will see the worst of humanity come out, quickly. This is what keeps me up at night. I think (or I hope) those fears are overblown. Any problems they could cause would be short term. The big danger is another miscalculation by the US in the event of the inevitable Iranian strike. If they overreact (again) it could draw the Russians in. World War III is always a worry. Edited January 5, 2020 by gowlerk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timski 80 #8 January 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, gowlerk said: I think (or I hope) those fears are overblown. Any problems they could cause would be short term. The big danger is another miscalculation by the US in the event of the inevitable Iranian strike. If they overreact (again) it could draw the Russians in. World War III is always a worry. I hope you are right my friend. And yes, peace is a pipe dream, specially in the ME. I often wonder what it's like to walk in someone else's... What it must be like to be a Jew in Israel, or a Palestinian across the border or ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,190 #9 January 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, timski said: I hope you are right my friend. And yes, peace is a pipe dream, specially in the ME. I often wonder what it's like to walk in someone else's... What it must be like to be a Jew in Israel, or a Palestinian across the border or ... Or to be a refugee desperately trying to get a family to a safe place from a land of conflict, hunger, and hopelessness. Only to be turned away from safety because "we just don't have room for you". 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,720 #10 January 5, 2020 8 hours ago, gowlerk said: Or to be a refugee desperately trying to get a family to a safe place from a land of conflict, hunger, and hopelessness. Only to be turned away from safety because "we just don't have room for you". I don't much prefer the analogy, mostly owing to my belief that there must be certain limits and conditions, but I doubt very many thinking people with even a modicum of empathy would disagree with your point, generally. For an example of limits and conditions, I'd start with no nation at relative civil peace, especially one with whom you have trade or mutual protection treaties, should allow the transmigration of foreign nationals, in violation of their own immigration laws, across their sovereign lands to request asylum at another nations borders. So, on hearing that a caravan of asylum seekers from Hosea Hollow in North Georgia, seeking to escape persecution by liberal Pacific Coasters were on the way, Canada might need to hold their noses and their Welcome to Winnipeg signs high, just cause. Of course you'd reserve the right to ask uncomfortable questions like "Are you F'n serious? Have any of you noticed a change in the weather over the last 3 weeks?" But, if they started out in Cuba and we simply, or effectively, said whatever, have a nice hike, you might find that a bit rude at the minimum and swat our serve back over the net. And rightfully so. Certainly faced with the facts, after the fact, every capable nation must act decently. In the end, unless you're a racist or other asshole, it's just a matter of money. Seems to me that would have been a great write in to the Nafta Strikes Again Treaty. "If someone not legal in your neighboring country shows up for asylum at a shared border crossing, no worries mate, here's the bill for the agreed compensation amount. Yes, it seems high but this is America and we put our illegals up in the Four Seasons. We appreciate your business and have an empathetic day!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,190 #11 January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, JoeWeber said: So, on hearing that a caravan of asylum seekers from Hosea Hollow in North Georgia, seeking to escape persecution by liberal Pacific Coasters were on the way, Canada might need to hold their noses and their Welcome to Winnipeg signs high, just cause. Of course you'd reserve the right to ask uncomfortable questions like "Are you F'n serious? Have any of you noticed a change in the weather over the last 3 weeks?" Not to worry. When the Trumpian war starts and the draft begins Canada will still be here to offer refuge to those fleeing from "Selective Service". Just like last time. You're welcome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,720 #12 January 5, 2020 37 minutes ago, gowlerk said: Not to worry. When the Trumpian war starts and the draft begins Canada will still be here to offer refuge to those fleeing from "Selective Service". Just like last time. You're welcome. No one fled the war, everyone was there for the Pickerel. None finer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #13 January 5, 2020 19 hours ago, riggerrob said: Good riddance! Persia/Iran has been meddling with Middle Eastern regional politics for something like 5,000 years now. The sad part is that their meddling has caused immense amounts of misery for Middle-Eastern citizens since the last Shah was deposed in 1989. Funny how Americans only got upset after their pet/puppet Shah was deposed in 1989. yeah, the nerve of them guys meddling in the politics OF THEIR NEIGHBORS!! they should just not worry about them and be more like us, pick a spot halfway around the world to send troops to and set up a government they like. you can't be serious with this kind of thinking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
