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[gowlerk 2,190]

23 minutes ago, airdvr said:

So you can't answer my question.  I'll ask it again...how much has the sea level risen in this area?

Are you daft? I answered your question. The same amount as everywhere else in the world. It's the freaking sea, it's all at sea level. Find someone else to spoon feed you. Try Wattsup.com, they are just your speed.

[airdvr 210]

NOOAA says the sea level has risen about 2.6 inches since 1993.

Global sea level has been rising over the past century, and the rate has increased in recent decades. In 2014, global sea level was 2.6 inches above the 1993 average—the highest annual average in the satellite record (1993-present). Sea level continues to rise at a rate of about one-eighth of an inch per year. 

 

So 6 years later it's another inch?  Let's say 4 inches.  So not 9 inches...4 inches.  And you expect me to believe that a 4 inch rise in sea level is causing flooding in the Keys?

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

Are you daft? I answered your question. The same amount as everywhere else in the world. It's the freaking sea, it's all at sea level. Find someone else to spoon feed you. Try Wattsup.com, they are just your speed.

Looks like it's not the same everywhere in the world.

Global sea level trends and relative sea level trends are different measurements. Just as the surface of the Earth is not flat, the surface of the ocean is also not flat—in other words, the sea surface is not changing at the same rate globally. Sea level rise at specific locations may be more or less than the global average due to many local factors: subsidence, upstream flood control, erosion, regional ocean currents, variations in land height, and whether the land is still rebounding from the compressive weight of Ice Age glaciers.

Looks like it can get higher and lower depending on many things.  Let's take Key West.  Oh look! Between 1945 and 1950 it was as high as it is now. What happened then?  Oh look again!  From 1990 to 2010 it was lower than average.  I guess global warming started after that.

[gowlerk 2,190]

32 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Sea level continues to rise at a rate of about one-eighth of an inch per year. 

Very good. Now let's test out some math. How much is that in a human lifetime of about 80 years? How long can that keep going on for? I just don't get how in the hell people like you can even try to argue that nothing is happening. The sea is higher, it's warming and getting higher yet. The glaciers are melting you just have to look at them. The air is warming, but that is not what is important. The energy is stored in the vast seas. They drive everything about our climate. It is too late to stop the warming. It is a trend that will continue not forever, because nothing does, but for the foreseeable future. It is not too late to begin to make changes that will limit the damage somewhat. And that's what Greta and the rest want us to do. Not to go back to the stone age, but to make smart decisions that look beyond our own lifetimes.

[billvon 2,990]

40 minutes ago, airdvr said:

NOOAA says the sea level has risen about 2.6 inches since 1993.

 

Yep.  9 inches since Miami was founded.

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So 6 years later it's another inch?  Let's say 4 inches.  So not 9 inches..

9 inches since Miami was founded.  See, roads don't magically rise over time to match rising sea levels.  Expect more and more cities like NYC (which - fun fact - was not founded in 1993) to be affected by rising oceans.

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 Sea level rise at specific locations may be more or less than the global average due to many local factors: subsidence, upstream flood control, erosion, regional ocean currents, variations in land height, and whether the land is still rebounding from the compressive weight of Ice Age glaciers.

Cool!  Let's melt some more glaciers and see what happens!

[DJL 235]

6 minutes ago, billvon said:

9 inches since Miami was founded.  See, roads don't magically rise over time to match rising sea levels.  Expect more and more cities like NYC (which - fun fact - was not founded in 1993) to be affected by rising oceans.

Portions of Miami are sinking too and that average is typically added to the tally so that's 9 inches overall.

[airdvr 210]

So we're just going to ignore 45-50 and 1990-2010?

So it's that Miami is sinking?  OR is it AGW?  I get cornfused. 

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[billvon 2,990]

15 minutes ago, DJL said:

Portions of Miami are sinking too and that average is typically added to the tally so that's 9 inches overall.

Miami is sinking too - but that's not part of that 9 inches.  Overall sea level has risen ~8 inches between 1900 and 2016, and lately that has been accelerating, bringing us to 9 inches.   Seas are now rising at a rate of 12 inches a century.

[gowlerk 2,190]

20 minutes ago, airdvr said:

So it's that Miami is sinking?  OR is it AGW?  I get cornfused.

Don't worry about your confusion over Miami too much. Miami is a big US coastal city, but it's far from being the only place affected by the sea. It's only #5 on this list.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/ng-interactive/2017/nov/03/three-degree-world-cities-drowned-global-warming

[airdvr 210]

So we really are going to ignore the discrepancies in the Key West graph.  Got it.

[gowlerk 2,190]

2 minutes ago, airdvr said:

So we really are going to ignore the discrepancies in the Key West graph.  Got it.

You aren't going to ignore it. You are going to pretend that it is meaningful and that the proven steady increase in the world's sea level is not. I am indeed going to ignore some small variation in a local data point and look at the big picture. You will look for excuses.

[billvon 2,990]

20 minutes ago, airdvr said:

So we really are going to ignore the discrepancies in the Key West graph.  Got it.

Nope.  Someone will look into them.  Meanwhile, roads are flooding because the average sea level has risen 9 inches since Miami was founded.  And the people who live there are demanding that the government begin working to slow that down.

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