Stages of Climate Denial

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Stages of Alarmists' denial.

It all starts with, "OMG!  In the next few years we will be beset by a plague of  floods, droughts, wildfires, hurricanes, melted ice caps, pestilence and  dead polar bears."

A few DECADES go by and someone points out that none of that has come to pass.

Stage One:  "No one ever said that"

Someone provides examples.

Stage Two: "Those are just politicians and actors, not climate scientists"

Examples of climate scientists are given

Stage Three:  "Well, that is just one or two"

More examples are provided

Stage Four: "OK fine!  It's not that they were wrong, their timing was just off, just wait and see, according to the experts, disaster is just right around the corner" Date given.... i.e. in 12 years....wait 12 years and repeat the process.

Edited February 11, 2020 by brenthutch

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I'm confused.  These people are denying alarmists?

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7 minutes ago, DJL said:

I'm confused.  These people are denying alarmists?

Alarmists'

Better?

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3 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Alarmists'

Better?

I'm sorry they're denying you.  If you come up with more than just a few example politicians and actors who say crap about the world ending in 12 years they might not deny you so much.

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2 hours ago, DJL said:

I'm sorry they're denying you.  If you come up with more than just a few example politicians and actors who say crap about the world ending in 12 years they might not deny you so much.

I'd like to read it in a peer reviewed science paper.

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15 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

I'd like to read it in a peer reviewed science paper.

Very little of what you read about "climate science" comes from peer reviewed sources. 

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5 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Very little of what you read about "climate science" comes from peer reviewed sources. 

Almost ALL of what I read about it does.

You should try it.

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Just now, turtlespeed said:

Almost ALL of what I read about it does.

You should try it.

Sorry, let me rephrase 

Very little of what one reads about "climate science"...…….

That said, could you give me a link to what you are reading?

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8 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Sorry, let me rephrase 

Very little of what one reads about "climate science"...…….

That said, could you give me a link to what you are reading?

Recently I have been going through this site and perusing.

https://www.environment.gov.au/climate-change/climate-science-data/climate-science/australian-climate-change-science

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According to the link provided, your peer reviewed science is currently under review

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13 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

According to the link provided, your peer reviewed science is currently under review

Yes - the web page content is under review - 

https://www.environment.gov.au/system/files/resources/e611ad65-1a0d-4036-a2f3-a3fc580701f9/files/climate-science-australia-future.pdf

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On 2/11/2020 at 3:00 PM, DJL said:

I'm sorry they're denying you.  If you come up with more than just a few example politicians and actors who say crap about the world ending in 12 years they might not deny you so much.

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions

https://capitalresearch.org/article/the-medias-history-of-panic-over-climate-is-very-real/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-beAnsrO5wIVCZyzCh2BDwOQEAMYASAAEgJChfD_BwE

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/08/global-warming-must-not-exceed-15c-warns-landmark-un-report

"The world’s leading climate scientists have warned there is only a dozen years for global warming to be kept to a maximum of 1.5C, beyond which even half a degree will significantly worsen the risks of drought, floods, extreme heat and poverty for hundreds of millions of people."

Lots of PHDs in the list

Edited February 13, 2020 by brenthutch

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2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions

https://capitalresearch.org/article/the-medias-history-of-panic-over-climate-is-very-real/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-beAnsrO5wIVCZyzCh2BDwOQEAMYASAAEgJChfD_BwE

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/08/global-warming-must-not-exceed-15c-warns-landmark-un-report

"The world’s leading climate scientists have warned there is only a dozen years for global warming to be kept to a maximum of 1.5C, beyond which even half a degree will significantly worsen the risks of drought, floods, extreme heat and poverty for hundreds of millions of people."

Lots of PHDs in the list

Are you quoting this as your "the world will end in 12 years" proof because that's not what that means.

[wmw999 2,447]

From Alice in Wonderland:

”"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."”

Wendy P. 

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19 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

From Alice in Wonderland:

”"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."”

Wendy P. 

Alice? Is that you?!

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1 hour ago, DJL said:

Are you quoting this as your "the world will end in 12 years" proof because that's not what that means.

I said "In the next few years we will be beset by a plague of  floods, droughts, wildfires, hurricanes, melted ice caps, pestilence and  dead polar bears"  I made no mention of the end of the world.  Climatists are hyperbolic enough, I don't need to exaggerate.

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40 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

I said "In the next few years we will be beset by a plague of  floods, droughts, wildfires, hurricanes, melted ice caps, pestilence and  dead polar bears"  I made no mention of the end of the world.  Climatists are hyperbolic enough, I don't need to exaggerate.

Oh no, you don't exaggerate anything.

Edited February 13, 2020 by DJL

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3 hours ago, brenthutch said:

I said "In the next few years we will be beset by a plague of  floods, droughts, wildfires, hurricanes, melted ice caps, pestilence and  dead polar bears"  I made no mention of the end of the world.  Climatists are hyperbolic enough, I don't need to exaggerate.

NAILED IT! So, more of the same? Sprinkle in those pesky tornado's too.  

So what do you attribute all of these events too?  

PS, just ONE snow event (if you call a couple inches of heavy wet snow an event) so far here in the borough...  

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5 hours ago, timski said:

NAILED IT! So, more of the same? Sprinkle in those pesky tornado's too.  

 

Good point tornadoes are way down as well.

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February 15 at 8:10 PM:

Dennis has become one of the most powerful nontropical cyclones on record in the North Atlantic, packing hurricane-force winds and turning a vast swath of seas into a churning, ship-sinking cauldron with individual waves topping 100 feet. The storm slammed into Britain just one week after deadly Storm Ciara hit with high winds and heavy precipitation, prompting flooding fears.

The Associated Press reported that two people had died in separate incidents Saturday from rough seas off the coast of southeast England. Military personnel were called in to help build flood barriers as several inches of rain fell on waterlogged soil and winds caused significant disruptions in air and rail service.

According to a list maintained by Christopher Burt, a weather historian at Weather Underground, Dennis ranks as the second-strongest storm on record for this region.

Peak winds in Britain have hit 87 mph. More rain and wind is forecast in the United Kingdom through Monday, though the focus of the impacts will shift to northern areas, closer to the storm center. The U.K. Met Office gave the storm its name as part of its program for warning of dangerous winter storms.

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According to a list maintained by Christopher Burt, a weather historian at Weather Underground, Dennis ranks as the second-strongest storm on record for this region.

 

. . .

Very few of these storms typically see their minimum air pressure drop to 930 millibars or lower; yet this has now happened three times in the past 10 days, with Dennis ranking as the most intense of the three storms. (The low-pressure area that helped propel Storm Ciara into Europe last weekend accomplished this feat as well.)

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10 hours ago, kallend said:

February 15 at 8:10 PM:

Dennis has become one of the most powerful nontropical cyclones on record in the North Atlantic, packing hurricane-force winds and turning a vast swath of seas into a churning, ship-sinking cauldron with individual waves topping 100 feet. The storm slammed into Britain just one week after deadly Storm Ciara hit with high winds and heavy precipitation, prompting flooding fears.

The Associated Press reported that two people had died in separate incidents Saturday from rough seas off the coast of southeast England. Military personnel were called in to help build flood barriers as several inches of rain fell on waterlogged soil and winds caused significant disruptions in air and rail service.

According to a list maintained by Christopher Burt, a weather historian at Weather Underground, Dennis ranks as the second-strongest storm on record for this region.

Peak winds in Britain have hit 87 mph. More rain and wind is forecast in the United Kingdom through Monday, though the focus of the impacts will shift to northern areas, closer to the storm center. The U.K. Met Office gave the storm its name as part of its program for warning of dangerous winter storms.

. . .

According to a list maintained by Christopher Burt, a weather historian at Weather Underground, Dennis ranks as the second-strongest storm on record for this region.

 

. . .

Very few of these storms typically see their minimum air pressure drop to 930 millibars or lower; yet this has now happened three times in the past 10 days, with Dennis ranking as the most intense of the three storms. (The low-pressure area that helped propel Storm Ciara into Europe last weekend accomplished this feat as well.)

My prediction on what one poster will claim:

Dennis is just weather!  There is no correlation.

 

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8 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

My prediction on what one poster will claim:

Dennis is just weather!  There is no correlation.

 

Neither.  It is Brexit.