Russia meddling to help Trump win re-election, US lawmakers hear

[yoink 321]

Putting this here for discussion because Turtle didn't want it in his humor thread.

Link

 

"US intelligence agencies have warned that Russia is attempting to help President Donald Trump get re-elected in November, US media report. The comments came in a closed-door briefing to the House Intelligence Committee on 13 February, officials told US outlets."

 

And then 

 

"President Trump was reportedly enraged, complaining that Democrats would use the information against him. He replaced his acting intelligence chief, Joseph Maguire, on Thursday. 

Mr Maguire was a favourite to be nominated for the permanent Director of National Intelligence (DNI) post, the Washington Post said. However, the paper said the president changed his mind when he found out about the briefing, and what he called the "disloyalty" of his staff."

 

 

This is serious, not matter what side of the aisle you're on.

Please. WRITE to your elected officials. Not just about the concern of a foreign power interfering in our elections, but about the President acting more and more like a dictator. How are your politicians supposed to make informed decisions if they're not getting the truth from Intelligence employees because they all get instantly fired if Trump doesn't like what he hears? This behavior in no way benefits us as a country or a people.

Edited February 21, 2020 by yoink

[kallend 2,027]

Put this in the "Dog bites man" category of news.

[normiss 800]

41 minutes ago, yoink said:

Putting this here for discussion because Turtle didn't want it in his humor thread.

Link

 

"US intelligence agencies have warned that Russia is attempting to help President Donald Trump get re-elected in November, US media report. The comments came in a closed-door briefing to the House Intelligence Committee on 13 February, officials told US outlets."

 

And then 

 

"President Trump was reportedly enraged, complaining that Democrats would use the information against him. He replaced his acting intelligence chief, Joseph Maguire, on Thursday. 

Mr Maguire was a favourite to be nominated for the permanent Director of National Intelligence (DNI) post, the Washington Post said. However, the paper said the president changed his mind when he found out about the briefing, and what he called the "disloyalty" of his staff."

 

 

This is serious, not matter what side of the aisle you're on.

Please. WRITE to your elected officials. Not just about the concern of a foreign power interfering in our elections, but about the President acting more and more like a dictator. How are your politicians supposed to make informed decisions if they're not getting the truth from Intelligence employees because they all get instantly fired if Trump doesn't like what he hears? This behavior in no way benefits us as a country or a people.

"You're just being dramatic and hateful of Trump"

 

How dare those of us that care and are seriously concerned actually say something about the current state of the treasonous leadership in our country??? I'm discouraged our efforts are falling on deaf ears in our reps too.

[turtlespeed 220]

16 minutes ago, normiss said:

"You're just being dramatic and hateful of Trump"

 

How dare those of us that care and are seriously concerned actually say something about the current state of the treasonous leadership in our country??? I'm discouraged our efforts are falling on deaf ears in our reps too.

What specifically is Russia doing?

 

Further - would you be a voice to stop it if they declared that Bloomberg would be their man?

Edited February 21, 2020 by turtlespeed

[yoink 321]

9 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

What specifically is Russia doing?

 

Further - would you be a voice to stop it if they declared that Bloomberg would be their man?

Way to miss the point. And stop trying to make strawmen arguments. This isn't about what MIGHT have happened, or who it's about. I get really tired of this nonsense form of arguing of yours. 

 

We don't know what Russia was doing. It was a closed door hearing.. If it was something sketchy then our government should know about it (which is the job of the intelligence services) and do something, but they won't be able to do this in future because they won't get the information they need because it'll all be kept secret by Trump sycophants who place their employment and prosperity above the welfare of the country.

 

What MATTERS to us as an electorate is Trump's reaction to this news. He instantly strikes out at anything he doesn't like and sees anyone reporting it as 'disloyal'. That's not healthy for a democracy.

[turtlespeed 220]

2 minutes ago, yoink said:

Way to miss the point. And stop trying to make strawmen arguments. This isn't about what MIGHT have happened, or who it's about. I get really tired of this nonsense form of arguing of yours. 

 

We don't know what Russia was doing. It was a closed door hearing.. If it was something sketchy then our government should know about it (which is the job of the intelligence services) and do something, but they won't be able to do this in future because they won't get the information they need because it'll all be kept secret by Trump sycophants who place their employment and prosperity above the welfare of the country.

 

What MATTERS to us as an electorate is Trump's reaction to this news. He instantly strikes out at anything he doesn't like and sees anyone reporting it as 'disloyal'. That's not healthy for a democracy.

I see a statement in that article that the timing is a coincidence.

Why was that omitted from your quote of important facts?

[airdvr 210]

1 hour ago, kallend said:

Put this in the "Dog bites man" category of news.

Probably more like "wag the dog"

[normiss 800]

Meanwhile...Trump has instructed aides to identify and remove officials across the government who aren’t defending his interests, and he wants them replaced with loyalists.

[airdvr 210]

25 minutes ago, normiss said:

Meanwhile...Trump has instructed aides to identify and remove officials across the government who aren’t defending his interests, and he wants them replaced with loyalists.

You want to give a cite to that or are you simply being overly dramatic?  I keed.

[ryoder 1,590]

6 minutes ago, airdvr said:

You want to give a cite to that or are you simply being overly dramatic?  I keed.

All over the news today.

Let me help you: https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+purge&oq=trump+purge&aqs=chrome..69i57.3647j0j3&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[normiss 800]

5 minutes ago, ryoder said:

All over the news today.

Let me help you: https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+purge&oq=trump+purge&aqs=chrome..69i57.3647j0j3&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

You'd think it impossible to actually find factual evidence these days.

It seems to me to require very little effort to verify or disprove most of the insanity.

Much easier to just take things at face value or dismiss them entirely.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

I see a statement in that article that the timing is a coincidence.

Why was that omitted from your quote of important facts?

Clinton’s statement was that his timing of the meeting on the tarmac was a coincidence. Doesn’t stop you from not believing it.

 

I agree with Yoink.

[turtlespeed 220]

14 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Clinton’s statement was that his timing of the meeting on the tarmac was a coincidence. Doesn’t stop you from not believing it.

 

I agree with Yoink.

It has been debunked.

Clinton was waiting on the tarmac to attend that meeting.

It was pretty obvious, just as the dismissal is pretty obvious.

I want facts.

I don't convict based on feels anymore.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

It has been debunked.

Clinton was waiting on the tarmac to attend that meeting.

It was pretty obvious, just as the dismissal is pretty obvious.

I want facts.

I don't convict based on feels anymore.

No it hasn’t been debunked. There are conflicting stories. You just choose to believe one side of it. Even the IG report only suggests it, but doesn’t state it outright.

 

If you want facts and don’t convict based on feels there is no way you can say it has been debunked.

[turtlespeed 220]

10 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

No it hasn’t been debunked. There are conflicting stories. You just choose to believe one side of it. Even the IG report only suggests it, but doesn’t state it outright.

 

If you want facts and don’t convict based on feels there is no way you can say it has been debunked.

First - I'm not convicting - Second - The book out about it has little to no refute.  Suspiciously no refute from the clinton's themselves, nor from Lynch.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

1 hour ago, normiss said:

Much easier to just take things at face value or dismiss them entirely.

Hi Mark,

Only for those who have their heads in the sand.

Jerry Baumchen

[ryoder 1,590]

And apparently, Putin has decided on his choice for the Democratic primaries:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/politics/bernie-sanders-russia.html

[kallend 2,027]

Trump and Joe Maguire:

William McRaven: If good men like Joe Maguire can’t speak the truth, we should be deeply afraid

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/william-mcraven-if-good-men-like-joe-maguire-cant-speak-the-truth-we-should-be-deeply-afraid/2020/02/21/2068874c-5503-11ea-b119-4faabac6674f_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_first_reads&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_rainbow&wpmm=1

Edited February 22, 2020 by kallend

[airdvr 210]

Sanders told Russia is trying to help his campaign

At least it's a bi-partisan effort.

[turtlespeed 220]

11 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Sanders told Russia is trying to help his campaign

At least it's a bi-partisan effort.

Yeah - They told Sanders a month ago - Why didn't he reveal this?  What is he hiding?

Where was the "Good Man" trying to speak the truth there?

[normiss 800]

10 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Sanders told Russia is trying to help his campaign

At least it's a bi-partisan effort.

Sure. All of the social media efforts regarding socialism will do wonders for him.

Sowing division and pushing disinformation isn't really helping Bernie's campaign.

Using a headline of "helping" when in the article the terms are actually "involved in" and "efforts". They're pushing for confusion, division, and making the democrat candidate that will compete against Trump as weak as possible. It's not a bi-partisan effort by any means.

 

 

[turtlespeed 220]

10 minutes ago, normiss said:

Sure. All of the social media efforts regarding socialism will do wonders for him.

Sowing division and pushing disinformation isn't really helping Bernie's campaign.

Using a headline of "helping" when in the article the terms are actually "involved in" and "efforts". They're pushing for confusion, division, and making the democrat candidate that will compete against Trump as weak as possible. It's not a bi-partisan effort by any means.

 

 

THAT is the media's doing - 

I guess you could call it Fake News, eh?

[normiss 800]

16 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

THAT is the media's doing - 

I guess you could call it Fake News, eh?

Uh, no. It's what the Russian interference IS.

[turtlespeed 220]

16 minutes ago, normiss said:

Uh, no. It's what the Russian interference IS.

You posted this:

""""Using a headline of "helping" when in the article the terms are actually "involved in" and "efforts". They're pushing for confusion, division, and making the democrat candidate that will compete against Trump as weak as possible. It's not a bi-partisan effort by any means.""""

CNN did that.  The Russians didn't.

Unless now CNN are the Russians???

[normiss 800]

12 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

You posted this:

""""Using a headline of "helping" when in the article the terms are actually "involved in" and "efforts". They're pushing for confusion, division, and making the democrat candidate that will compete against Trump as weak as possible. It's not a bi-partisan effort by any means.""""

CNN did that.  The Russians didn't.

Unless now CNN are the Russians???

Funny you cannot discern the differences in reporting and the actions that the media reports.

No wonder the disinformation has succeeded.