covid-19

[billvon 2,998]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

The issue is that no one wants to admit that a doctor that gets paid per patient will be more likely see more patients and streamline their practice to do so.

 

Yeah, but see, they've been working on that for several decades now.  It's unlikely that someone will suddenly find a better way to do it.

It's like claiming that now that people want cars, GM will start selling twice as many cars because they realized they make more money if they sell more cars.

[BIGUN 1,317]

43 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I find it hard to believe it would stay in the air for 3 hours, but certainly on the surfaces.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/home/cleaning-disinfection.html

[Phil1111 1,149]

37 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/home/cleaning-disinfection.html

If that doesn't frighten the uninitiated then they either didn't read it or they don't understand English.

[jakee 1,498]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

It's pretty amazing to me how - all of a sudden - almost all of my left leaning friends are all in favor of a closed border now.

Are they? Why? 
 

Seriously, if you already have as high a rate of infection as anywhere else in the world then you don’t face any additional risk from people coming in from the outside. Especially since anyone obviously ill would hopefully be turned away at the port of departure you’d think that the people coming in would be more likely to catch Corona from you than you are from them.

[jakee 1,498]

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Edited March 13, 2020 by jakee

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

Evidently, Italy's universal healthcare system couldn't walk the walk. 

This is probably one of the more stupid things I have read on the topic. What you are seeing in Italy is very likely going to play out on a much larger scale in the US. 

If current estimates of 60% infection are correct, at a 1% mortality rate that works out to just shy of 2,000,000 deaths in the US. That does not take into account the people dying from other causes because your health care system is past maximum capacity.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

It's pretty amazing to me how - all of a sudden - almost all of my left leaning friends are all in favor of a closed border now.

Isn't that amazing?

 

And as much as Libertarians and Conservatives all of a sudden like regulation, government intervention, non-reliance on the free market, socialist programs etc.

 

Clearly your statement isn't even close to true.

Edited March 13, 2020 by SkyDekker

[kallend 2,027]

3 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

It's pretty amazing to me how - all of a sudden - almost all of my left leaning friends are all in favor of a closed border now.

Isn't that amazing?

 

I don't know YOUR friends, but my friends are aware that viruses pay no attention to walls, and don't confine themselves to non-citizens on airplanes.

[kallend 2,027]

41 minutes ago, jakee said:

Are they? Why? 
 

Seriously, if you already have as high a rate of infection as anywhere else in the world then you don’t face any additional risk from people coming in from the outside. Especially since anyone obviously ill would hopefully be turned away at the port of departure you’d think that the people coming in would be more likely to catch Corona from you than you are from them.

Reminds me of 3/13/1977, the day I arrived in the USA.

I had to prove (at some expense) that I didn't have TB, despite coming from a country where TB was almost non-existent to one where it was still quite common especially in the rural south.

[Coreece 190]

47 minutes ago, jakee said:

Seriously, if you already have as high a rate of infection as anywhere else in the world then you don’t face any additional risk from people coming in from the outside.

It may not affect the rate of infection much, but it could still translate to a significant number of people being unnecessarily infected by people that have no business being here right now.

6 minutes ago, kallend said:

Especially since anyone obviously ill would hopefully be turned away at the port of departure

But we're responsible at the port of entry.  And again, we have a limited amount of airports with medical facilities performing the screenings.  Why should we overload the process with people that don't need to be here right now, and then have to treat them if they show symptoms?

And again, they'll have to be quarantined regardless - so you're gonna spend your family vacation stuck in some hotel for 2 weeks, or travel 5000 miles just to Skype into your business meeting from wherever you're quarantined?  Just wait until we get a handle on things.  Why is that so hard to understand?  Why are you people so desperate to start shit over this?

[Coreece 190]

21 minutes ago, kallend said:

Reminds me of 3/13/1977, the day I arrived in the USA.

. . .and we've been regretting it ever since.

 

But seriously, would it have hurt to wait until 4/13/1977?

[headoverheels 333]

On 3/11/2020 at 11:51 AM, BIGUN said:

You may want to bookmark this:

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University

 

For some reason, that site has errors today.  It is showing less confirmed cases in the US than yesterday.  When you look at the province/state breakdown, it is missing California, Florida, Colorado, Louisiana and others in the tally.

[jakee 1,498]

32 minutes ago, Coreece said:

But we're responsible at the port of entry.  And again, we have a limited amount of airports with medical facilities performing the screenings.  Why should we overload the process with people that don't need to be here right now, and then have to treat them if they show symptoms?

Because the expert advice seems to say it’s not a particularly effective strategy, and it’s one that comes at a huge economic cost to a lot of people at a time when many businesses are already going to face a significant strain. 
 

“And again, they'll have to be quarantined regardless - so you're gonna spend your family vacation stuck in some hotel for 2 weeks, or travel 5000 miles just to Skype into your business meeting from wherever you're quarantined?”

They only have to be because it’s said they have to be. They don’t HAVE to be. 
 

Currently, wildly fluctuating public statements from day to day, or even from different departments on the same day, and knee jerk policies that seem to be getting made up and enacted in a whim are not a very good way to tackle a problem like this. What is so hard to understand about that?

[Coreece 190]

8 minutes ago, jakee said:

Because the expert advice seems to say

Ya, "seem" to say.  Guess it depends on which experts you want to listen to. 

 

9 minutes ago, jakee said:

and it’s one that comes at a huge economic cost to a lot of people at a time when many businesses are already going to face a significant strain. 

The huge economic impact is already there.  They have no business being here right now.  It can wait till we have a better handle on things.

 

10 minutes ago, jakee said:

They only have to be because it’s said they have to be. They don’t HAVE to be. 

Then more reason to keep them out in the first place if they're not going to listen to the advice of medical experts.

[jakee 1,498]

36 minutes ago, Coreece said:

Ya, "seem" to say.  Guess it depends on which experts you want to listen to. 

Who are they listening to? I haven’t seen any yet who agree with the policy as it is. 
 

“Then more reason to keep them out in the first place if they're not going to listen to the advice of medical experts.”

Which medical experts are advising any cross border travellers to be quarantined for two weeks?

[Coreece 190]

8 minutes ago, jakee said:

45 minutes ago, Coreece said:

Ya, "seem" to say.  Guess it depends on which experts you want to listen to. 

Who are they listening to? I haven’t seen any yet who agree with the policy as it is. 

Who are you listening to?  There was a medical expert on CNN last night saying the the travel ban is reasonable.  I don't need in depth research to know that it makes sense to limit travel.  How the hell do you think this virus got around the world so quickly?

Bottom line, you have no business being here right now,  deal with it.

 

8 minutes ago, jakee said:

Which medical experts are advising any cross border travellers to be quarantined for two weeks?

Those doing the screening.  Don't really care either way tho,  It just makes sense for now.  Don't like it.  Stay home.

Edited March 13, 2020 by Coreece

[JoeWeber 2,722]

23 hours ago, gowlerk said:

There is likely going to be a crisis in the DZ world. I can see a full season of limited or even no tandem revenue ahead. DZs with large outstanding bank loans are going to be in trouble. Even if a tandem shutdown doesn't happen large numbers of TIs are likely to decide that it's not worth the risk.

I can see all of that and more. Where else but skydiving do they pack their customers like sardines in an aluminum can for 20 minutes of breathing everyone else's unfiltered breath? Customers are already cancelling out of concern. This has every ingredient to get ugly and fast.

[gowlerk 2,202]

2 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I can see all of that and more. Where else but skydiving do they pack their customers like sardines in an aluminum can for 20 minutes of breathing everyone else's unfiltered breath? Customers are already cancelling out of concern. This has every ingredient to get ugly and fast.

I've begun planning for the possibility of a basically lost season.

[JoeWeber 2,722]

1 minute ago, gowlerk said:

I've begun planning for the possibility of a basically lost season.

Planning before panic, I always say. That's why I bought a new Penn rod and reel and filled out my lure box before there's a run on those, too. 

[Bigfalls 111]

7 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I can see all of that and more. Where else but skydiving do they pack their customers like sardines in an aluminum can for 20 minutes of breathing everyone else's unfiltered breath? Customers are already cancelling out of concern. This has every ingredient to get ugly and fast.

I am glad I am no longer in the DZ business.  There is no way to tell what is going to happen and everything seems to be changing by the hour.

[JoeWeber 2,722]

1 minute ago, Bigfalls said:

I am glad I am no longer in the DZ business.  There is no way to tell what is going to happen and everything seems to be changing by the hour.

It's easy to be pollyannish about it all but the reality is that a first Skydive can happen next year and up jumpers aren't all a bunch of idiots. In fact, around my place at least, there are a solid charge of damn smart people amongst the locals. Generally, smart people make smart decisions. If avoiding the scene starts looking smart they will, bottom line.

[turtlespeed 221]

4 hours ago, billvon said:

Yeah, but see, they've been working on that for several decades now.  It's unlikely that someone will suddenly find a better way to do it.

It's like claiming that now that people want cars, GM will start selling twice as many cars because they realized they make more money if they sell more cars.

Not really.  Its more like telling your flooring guy that there is an unlimited amount of rooms he can install tile in, and most of them are all the same.  So, he stream lines his prep, and organizes his staff so they can maximize efficiency.  Henry ford did a similar thing a long time ago.

[turtlespeed 221]

3 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

And as much as Libertarians and Conservatives all of a sudden like regulation, government intervention, non-reliance on the free market, socialist programs etc.

 

Clearly your statement isn't even close to true.

My statement is EXACTLY true.

Would you like the list so you can verify authenticity?

[BIGUN 1,317]

1 hour ago, headoverheels said:

It is showing less confirmed cases in the US than yesterday.  When you look at the province/state breakdown, it is missing California, Florida, Colorado, Louisiana and others in the tally.

Well realize; they have a lot of ground to cover quickly. Here's the daily report:

https://clustrmaps.com/coronavirus/ 

[DJL 235]

5 hours ago, airdvr said:

Here in Ohio the governor just closed public schools for 3 weeks.  At first I thought it was an overreaction.  Then I read this article.  Death panels anyone?

The Extraordinary Decisions Facing Italian Doctors

Do you think that's any different than what the US healthcare system will have to deal with?