covid-19

[Coreece 190]

9 minutes ago, olofscience said:

17 minutes ago, Coreece said:

I just think you'd get a ton of pushback in the U.S.  Even after it was announced a pandemic people here were still arguing that the travel ban itself was excessive.

Might be just me, but Trump doesn't stop doing something because of a little pushback.

It's a serious issue.  You'd essentially be deciding to leave fellow citizens behind to die in another country against the will of the people.

[olofscience 480]

2 minutes ago, Coreece said:

It's a serious issue.  You'd essentially be deciding to leave fellow citizens behind to die in another country against the will of the people.

So that's what the bastion of communism, New Zealand, is doing right now?

[wmw999 2,452]

4 minutes ago, Coreece said:

It's a serious issue.  You'd essentially be deciding to leave fellow citizens behind to die in another country against the will of the people.

I think instead we'd be bringing them home, and enforcing quarantine. Still going to be objections, but they're in the US, under medical supervision, and perfectly able to communicate during quarantine.

It's a cost, and a responsibility. But it's probably better than what we actually did, which was to figure that Americans were OK, Brits (I guess because they speak English and BJ was blowing off COVID too) were probably OK, and everyone else was just not allowed.

Wendy P.

[Phil1111 1,149]

17 minutes ago, olofscience said:

So that's what the bastion of communism, New Zealand, is doing right now?

You're getting closer. Its about keeping those dirty foreigners, communist Canadians from moderating the purity of capitalism that MAGITFP (made America Great In The First Place).. Rushmc, Coreece, etc. see any programs that dilute complete competition as a continuation of the Domino Theory.  Thats what drives Ron IMO, as well.

Thats why socialist single payer medical care is a no-no. Its a foothold for communism, the first domino, then gun control. Clearly C-19 can be defeated w/o communism.

[jakee 1,497]

2 hours ago, Coreece said:

If we had some of the lowest numbers due to Trump shutting down the entire country back in Jan or Feb before we even knew if and how it would really affect us, the left would've been saying "it's just a power grab from some communist dictator wannabe trying to destroy our democracy and take credit for stopping a disease that never would've made it across the Atlantic in the first place - and even if it did, it would've just went to zero like all the other outbreaks.  

Don't be daft. No-one needs a Covid-19 outbreak in their own country to be able to see without doubt how dangerous Covid-19 is, because it would still be happening everywhere else. 

 

And while you're using the claim 'it would've went to zero' as an absurdist statement to illustrate how clueless you think the left are - remember that in reality the only person oblivious to claim they could do something that would lead to zero cases in the US is Donald Trump himself.

[kallend 2,027]

27 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

You're getting closer. Its about keeping those dirty foreigners, communist Canadians from moderating the purity of capitalism that MAGITFP (made America Great In The First Place).. Rushmc, Coreece, etc. see any programs that dilute complete competition as a continuation of the Domino Theory.  Thats what drives Ron IMO, as well.

Thats why socialist single payer medical care is a no-no. Its a foothold for communism, the first domino, then gun control. Clearly C-19 can be defeated w/o communism.

Public K-12 education, land grant colleges, police, fire, public water and sewage treatment systems, public libraries, Social Security and Medicare, the Army, Navy, VA, etc., were all communist dominos.

[jakee 1,497]

2 hours ago, Coreece said:

But just to clarify.  Would you have been ok with a more forceful communistic approach?

You're confusing authoritarianism with communism. Evidence from the Soviet Union and Maoist China would suggest that a communist approach would involve coming up with a plan of action based more on political ideals than science, predicting wildly ambitious results, and subsequently failing on all fronts but declaring victory anyway. 

 

Turns out that the USA is going for the communist approach already.

[kallend 2,027]

2 hours ago, Coreece said:

 

If we had some of the lowest numbers due to Trump shutting down the entire country back in Jan or Feb before we even knew if and how it would really affect us, the left would've been saying "it's just a power grab from some communist dictator wannabe trying to destroy our democracy and take credit for stopping a disease that never would've made it across the Atlantic in the first place - and even if it did, it would've just went to zero like all the other outbreaks.  I mean the flu is even deadlier for pete's sake!  This is just another xenophobic excuse to keep brown people out of the country!"

Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — Trump in a CNBC interview.

Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us … that I can assure you.” — Trump in a speech in Michigan.

Feb. 10: “Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though. We have 12 cases — 11 cases, and many of them are in good shape now.” — Trump at the White House.

Feb. 14: “There’s a theory that, in April, when it gets warm — historically, that has been able to kill the virus.  So we don’t know yet; we’re not sure yet. But that’s around the corner.” — Trump in speaking to National Border Patrol Council members.

Feb. 23: “We have it very much under control in this country.” — Trump in speaking to reporters.

Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” — Trump in a tweet.

Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.” — Trump at a White House briefing.

Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — Trump at a press conference.

Feb. 26: “I think every aspect of our society should be prepared. I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” — Trump at a press conference,

[billvon 2,995]

9 hours ago, Coreece said:

But just to clarify.  Would you have been ok with a more forceful communistic approach?

I'd be OK with a more forceful science-based approach.

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Would you have been ok with denying citizens entry from abroad?

I'd let them in then require 14 days of quarantine, similar to what Hawaii is doing.

[Coreece 190]

22 hours ago, Coreece said:

It's a serious issue.  You'd essentially be deciding to leave fellow citizens behind to die in another country against the will of the people.

 

22 hours ago, wmw999 said:

I think instead we'd be bringing them home, and enforcing quarantine.

Wendy P.

13 hours ago, billvon said:

I'd be OK with a more forceful science-based approach.

I'd let them in then require 14 days of quarantine

That was supposed to be the plan this time.  People were to be routed through 10-15 airports with medical facilities that would screen passengers and then direct them to self quarantine.  Problem was that the system got backed up, not everyone got screened and there is no accounting for any quarantining.

[gowlerk 2,198]

4 minutes ago, Coreece said:

 

That was supposed to be the plan this time.  People were to be routed through 10-15 airports with medical facilities that would screen passengers and then direct them to self quarantine.  Problem was that the system got backed up, not everyone got screened and there is no accounting for any quarantining.

Because the leaders tasked with implementing the plan are incompetent. The administration is now staffed almost exclusively by incompetent people with only displaying loyalty to Trump mattering.

[wmw999 2,452]

2 minutes ago, Coreece said:

 

That was supposed to be the plan this time.  People were to be routed through 10-15 airports with medical facilities that would screen passengers and then direct them to self quarantine.  Problem was that the system got backed up, not everyone got screened and there is no accounting for any quarantining.

That shit costs money, and it pisses people off. That's now how we are any more. It takes coordination and thinking ahead -- scheduling flights so they don't all arrive at once, which means interfacing with, and probably pissing off, the airlines. It means scheduling and paying for more people at the airport, and probably for housing, because while people may say that they're quarantining, it doesn't take a lot of them for it to no longer work. So either you have to check periodically, or simply provide for everyone. Which means that some people, who have commitments for when they get back, will have huge problems, and others, who have minor inconveniences, will also have huge problems and whine about them... 

This administration doesn't have a very long attention span, and look! a butterfly (I mean foreigner)!

Wendy P.

[olofscience 480]

18 minutes ago, Coreece said:

That was supposed to be the plan this time.

Source?

[Coreece 190]

12 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

19 minutes ago, Coreece said:

That was supposed to be the plan this time.  People were to be routed through 10-15 airports with medical facilities that would screen passengers and then direct them to self quarantine.  Problem was that the system got backed up, not everyone got screened and there is no accounting for any quarantining.

Because the leaders tasked with implementing the plan are incompetent. The administration is now staffed almost exclusively by incompetent people with only displaying loyalty to Trump mattering.

Well, the next time this happens Trump likely won't be in office to blame.   We wouldn't even need to worry about screening an influx of 100+ thousand of travelers if they would all just go directly to quarantine.

[Coreece 190]

14 minutes ago, olofscience said:

33 minutes ago, Coreece said:

That was supposed to be the plan this time.

Source?

Dude, really?  It was all over the news.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/13/department-homeland-security-outlines-new-process-americans-returning-certain

[olofscience 480]

7 minutes ago, Coreece said:

Dude, really?  It was all over the news.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/13/department-homeland-security-outlines-new-process-americans-returning-certain

Thanks. I didn't see it, but if I did there would be no complaints from me. (Edit: the date March 13th looks a bit late, but better late than never...and from what it seems is that "never" was actually the result)

Now to wait if any leftists complain about New Zealand's travel restrictions.

Edited May 10, 2020 by olofscience

[gowlerk 2,198]

18 minutes ago, Coreece said:

Well, the next time this happens Trump likely won't be in office to blame.   We wouldn't even need to worry about screening an influx of 100+ thousand of travelers if they would all just go directly to quarantine.

Well....maybe the people running the show will not announce an impossible to implement plan and instead will do something realistic. That is, if they see something other than pleasing the clown in chief as being important. Leadership matters.

Edited May 10, 2020 by gowlerk

[billvon 2,995]

10 hours ago, Coreece said:

That was supposed to be the plan this time.  People were to be routed through 10-15 airports with medical facilities that would screen passengers and then direct them to self quarantine.  Problem was that the system got backed up . . . 

Problem is that some airports didn't have the equipment for the screenings, some airports didn't have the manpower - and some didn't even get notified that they had to do any specific screening.  Even after Trump's announcement that "they're doing tests on airlines -- very strong tests -- for getting on, getting off. They're doing tests on trains -- getting on, getting off" I was getting texts from friends who were traveling who saw flights getting in from China with zero screening.  No "got backed up" just no screening, period.  In at least one case, all that happened is people on board (before landing) were asked "so, is anyone sick?" and allowed in.

[DJL 235]

On 5/8/2020 at 3:41 PM, ryoder said:

Apparently, the VP staffer is Katie Miller, wife of Stephen Miller. 

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/08/852861159/white-house-confirms-second-coronavirus-case-this-week

 

While I don't wish this illness on anyone I wish this illlness on Stephen Miller.  So I should edit that.  I don't wish this illness on anyone but Stephen Miller.

[Phil1111 1,149]

14 minutes ago, DJL said:

While I don't wish this illness on anyone I wish this illlness on Stephen Miller.  So I should edit that.  I don't wish this illness on anyone but Stephen Miller.

Keep in mind that nothing Mr. Miller thinks or does would have meaning or effect without his one enabler employing him.

[gowlerk 2,198]

18 minutes ago, DJL said:

While I don't wish this illness on anyone I wish this illlness on Stephen Miller.  So I should edit that.  I don't wish this illness on anyone but Stephen Miller.

Nothing I have seen or read about Miller would lead me to believe he is anything but evil.

[DJL 235]

6 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Nothing I have seen or read about Miller would lead me to believe he is anything but evil.

We always comment about how someone is acting like a Nazi or similar to a Nazi but I have no doubt, absolutely zero, that Miller would've risen quickly in the SS (had he not been Jewish).  It's amazing that this person is the product of a Jewish family who fled the anti-Jewish pogroms in Belarus.

[ryoder 1,590]

30 minutes ago, DJL said:

While I don't wish this illness on anyone I wish this illlness on Stephen Miller.  So I should edit that.  I don't wish this illness on anyone but Stephen Miller.

But if C-19 took out Trump and Pence, that would put an adult in charge.

[wmw999 2,452]

46 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Nothing I have seen or read about Miller would lead me to believe he is anything but evil.

He's an asshole with power and an agenda. That's close to evil, but may not actually make it there.

Wendy P.

[ryoder 1,590]

3 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

He's an asshole with power and an agenda. That's close to evil, but may not actually make it there.

Wendy P.

The one I have sympathy for is Katie; Can you imagine how sparse her available dating pool must have been, for her to look at Stephen and think:

"Yeah, I'd like to go out with him."