covid-19

[JoeWeber 2,720]

On 4/14/2021 at 10:25 PM, TriGirl said:

Plus those cruise ships pay port fees, which are taxed.  And he's trying to appeal to the port workers as well, showing that he's fighting to get them "back to work."  

I agree with his desire to get people earning money again (get back to work, parts of the economy moving), but disagree with how he thinks this should happen ("everyone go on a cruise!").

Half of the year I live in the Cruise Ship Capital of the world: The Caribbean. I get around, although in the age of Covid it's been less. The locals are wising up to the Cruise Ship scam, believe me. They are seeing them as the environmental disasters they are. They are tired of their paid off politicos taking less dock fees just to get the visit and a spiff. They see less money from the rows of curios stands set up for the cruise ships benefitting the economy than they were told would happen. Restaurants now see that the cruisers mostly eat aboard where the cost is zero and really do not go out at night for dinner. There is more. But from what I see the dew is off the lilly on some Islands and the Cruise Industry will have fewer locations and less bargaining power than before. 

[Westerly 61]

6 hours ago, gowlerk said:

US vaccination of at least one shot is now nearly 40% of the population. And now the uptake is slowing down and more and more work will need to be done to reach the procrastinators and convince the doubters.

 https://us.cnn.com/2021/04/18/us/covid-vaccine-slowing-us-demand/index.html

The Canadian rate stands at about 22% but with far fewer 2nd shots administered. I was predicting we would be about 30 days behind, but now I'm thinking it may be a little less.

Actually it's 50%. The US has vaccinated half of adults with at least one shot effective today.

Also, Covid deaths are misleading because the number will always be much higher than reported. For example, all the people who now have heart or lung damage. How many people who were in the ICU back in March, April, May have since died from complications arising from the long term damage from Covid? How many more will die next year from diseases that are now progressing thanks to Covid initiating them? Those could all easily count as Covid deaths becasue that was the first underlying cause, but they wont be counted as such as they were not infected at the time of death. But it doesent change the fact that they are now dead solely because they got infected with Covid, just they dident die in weeks, they died in months or a year.

Edited April 19, 2021 by Westerly

[lippy 918]

5 hours ago, Westerly said:

Actually it's 50%. The US has vaccinated half of adults with at least one shot effective today.
 

Where did that number come from?

[airdvr 210]

14 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Half of the year I live in the Cruise Ship Capital of the world: The Caribbean. I get around, although in the age of Covid it's been less. The locals are wising up to the Cruise Ship scam, believe me. They are seeing them as the environmental disasters they are. They are tired of their paid off politicos taking less dock fees just to get the visit and a spiff. They see less money from the rows of curios stands set up for the cruise ships benefitting the economy than they were told would happen. Restaurants now see that the cruisers mostly eat aboard where the cost is zero and really do not go out at night for dinner. There is more. But from what I see the dew is off the lilly on some Islands and the Cruise Industry will have fewer locations and less bargaining power than before. 

This^  Cruises most always leave port before dinner.  They want their customers spending money in their bars and casinos, not in port.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

8 minutes ago, airdvr said:

This^  Cruises most always leave port before dinner.  They want their customers spending money in their bars and casinos, not in port.

Yep. I'm laying at Charlotte Amalie, USVI's at the moment. Ashore yesterday, I cruised the currently vacant street of jewelry shops set up for the ships that are still wandering around empty, back and forth, at sea. Most are hanging on and hoping but no one with sense wants to pay their prices when better stuff is available cheaper at home. Without crowded streets and vibe they are toast. The Super Yachts are around paying huge dock fees and high prices for fuel bunkering but what else isn't really visible. On the other hand, the VI's are kicking ass at the moment with American tourists who are spending lots of money and have nowhere else to vacation. 

The per head fees Cruise ships pay each country is driven down because the Lines have the power to just say no thanks, we'll go up island, thank you. But, if the islands get smart and get together it's the per head fees that are the low hanging fruit. Jack it up to $50 or $100 per head per port and hold the line and the Cruise industry will pay. 

[gowlerk 2,193]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

But, if the islands get smart and get together it's the per head fees that are the low hanging fruit. Jack it up to $50 or $100 per head per port and hold the line and the Cruise industry will pay. 

Ya sure. Maybe they can join a union or something. Or get together with all the clever DZOs who just say no to Groupon.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

2 hours ago, gowlerk said:

Ya sure. Maybe they can join a union or something. Or get together with all the clever DZOs who just say no to Groupon.

All it takes is an effective leader who is persuasive and knows how to make a case. 

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

6 hours ago, lippy said:

Where did that number come from?

The news.

Came across this:
https://www.wisn.com/article/half-of-us-adults-have-received-at-least-one-dose-of-vaccine/36156273?fbclid=IwAR1BowyUZGiU44OIuz910lLX92tVpCrax4cyp6BHV6IS8X8fzJR_YJBHS10#

[billvon 2,991]

16 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

The news.

Yep.   As of yesterday, 39% of Americans overall have at least one dose, and 33% of adults are fully vaccinated.

[headoverheels 333]

7 hours ago, lippy said:

Where did that number come from?

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

 

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

32 minutes ago, billvon said:

Yep.   As of yesterday, 39% of Americans overall have at least one dose, and 33% of adults are fully vaccinated.

The article I linked said that CDC reported 130 million have gotten at least one.

It also says that number is 50%. Which is incorrect.
Makes me wonder who screwed up the percentage calculation.

[Phil1111 1,149]

38 minutes ago, billvon said:

Yep.   As of yesterday, 39% of Americans overall have at least one dose, and 33% of adults are fully vaccinated.

 

1 minute ago, wolfriverjoe said:

The article I linked said that CDC reported 130 million have gotten at least one.

It also says that number is 50%. Which is incorrect.
Makes me wonder who screwed up the percentage calculation.

# over 18 years old.

[gowlerk 2,193]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

All it takes is an effective leader who is persuasive and knows how to make a case. 

Sure, that's how cats are herded up all the time.

[billvon 2,991]

1 hour ago, wolfriverjoe said:

The article I linked said that CDC reported 130 million have gotten at least one.

It also says that number is 50%. Which is incorrect.
Makes me wonder who screwed up the percentage calculation.

Difference is that one uses "adults" and the other uses "all americans."

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Just now, billvon said:

Difference is that one uses "adults" and the other uses "all americans."

Yup. Missed the 'adults' distinction when I read the one I posted.
Tired & reading it too fast.

Funny part about the 'adults' distinction.
Are they counting all the 16 & 17 year olds who are getting vaccinated?
They're able to get it, yet are not yet 'adults'.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

2 hours ago, billvon said:

Yep.   As of yesterday, 39% of Americans overall have at least one dose, and 33% of adults are fully vaccinated.

Used to be having a dose was nothing to brag about. How times change.

[Westerly 61]

12 hours ago, lippy said:

Where did that number come from?

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

50% of adults have been vaccinated with at least one dose. Kids dont count because they are not eligible to receive the vaccine in the first place.

[Westerly 61]

The cruise industry is Blockbuster of 2021. No one is going to go aboard a Covid ship. The industry is dead for now. It may make a comeback in the future, but not anytime soon.

[Phil1111 1,149]

4 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Yup. Missed the 'adults' distinction when I read the one I posted.
Tired & reading it too fast.

Funny part about the 'adults' distinction.
Are they counting all the 16 & 17 year olds who are getting vaccinated?
They're able to get it, yet are not yet 'adults'.

Since most GOP supporters have said they won't get vaccinated. Since trump loving GOP supporters may not be adults. Perhaps all American adults are already vaccinated?

[BIGUN 1,314]

21 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Since most GOP supporters have said they won't get vaccinated.

According to a recent NPR-PBS NewsHour-Marist poll, 49 percent of Republican men do not plan to get vaccinated, a higher percentage than any other demographic group in the United States.

I see that as 49% more available Republican women in the near future.

[gowlerk 2,193]

1 hour ago, Westerly said:

The cruise industry is Blockbuster of 2021. No one is going to go aboard a Covid ship. The industry is dead for now. It may make a comeback in the future, but not anytime soon.

Not hardly. I don't think virtual on line cruising is going to take over. The cruise industry will come back very strongly. Their order books are already filling up. Cruising has always been stupid, and there is no shortage of stupid people with money to spend.

 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

6 hours ago, gowlerk said:

Sure, that's how cats are herded up all the time.

It's an easy one to scoff at, Ken, but that's really how things work. Every now and again someone with an idea or a vision drags everyone else along to a better place. Isn't that the belief we want to give to kids?

[Westerly 61]

4 hours ago, gowlerk said:

Not hardly. I don't think virtual on line cruising is going to take over. The cruise industry will come back very strongly. Their order books are already filling up. Cruising has always been stupid, and there is no shortage of stupid people with money to spend.

 

I have always wondered what the point is in going on a cruise. Like, lets pay a ton of money to be stuck on a boat. If you really like boats join the fucking Navy. Then they will pay you to be on a boat. Seems kind of stupid to me.

[kallend 2,027]

6 hours ago, gowlerk said:

 Cruising has always been stupid, and there is no shortage of stupid people with money to spend.

 

Thank you.

We're going on a cruise in November/December, our first one.

It starts in Ushuaia (world's most southerly city) and goes to the Falkland Islands, South Georgia, and the Antarctic peninsular for the total solar eclipse on December 4, with whale and penguin watching along the way.  It's organized by National Geographic.

I guess we'll be in the company of a lot of other stupid people.

[wmw999 2,447]

1 hour ago, kallend said:

Thank you.

We're going on a cruise in November/December, our first one.

It starts in Ushuaia (world's most southerly city) and goes to the Falkland Islands, South Georgia, and the Antarctic peninsular for the total solar eclipse on December 4, with whale and penguin watching along the way.  It's organized by National Geographic.

I guess we'll be in the company of a lot of other stupid people.

We’re doing the classic Antarctica one in December. 
I’ve actually been on two (gifts from my father); the first was one of the best vacations in my life. It was  a sailing ship in the Caribbean during the 1997 solar eclipse. Small ship, so we went to all the ports that don’t have giant docks. We saw whales and the Montserrat eruption, too. 
The second (supposed to be a Mayan ruins trip) was a complete snoozer, exactly what I’d’ve thought a cruise would be like until I’d done the first one. So yeah, not my thing, but if you choose wisely, it can be awesome. 
Wendy P.