covid-19

[Westerly 61]

1 hour ago, lippy said:

You do realize that COVID happened to come along at a time when people were able capitalize on years and years of research into mRNA vaccines, right?  

Great, so where are all these other lovely vaccines that are piggybacking on mRNA tech for other disease? Oh, that's right, there arnt any. mRNA existed long before Covid ever came around. There was plenty of time to use that tech on other things.

[billvon 3,065]

20 minutes ago, Westerly said:

Great, so where are all these other lovely vaccines that are piggybacking on mRNA tech for other disease? Oh, that's right, there arnt any. 

There are mRNA vaccines for rabies, Zika, cytomegalovirus, and flu.  They were developed and tested. Some (Zika) are in final testing.  Others were abandoned since they were no better than other existing vaccines/treatments.

You really don't know this?

When I was teaching at Brown, the worst students were always the military guys who had a few static line jumps.  Since they had jumped before, they thought they knew everything, and were generally unwilling/unable to learn anything outside what they had seen in the military.

[billvon 3,065]

2 hours ago, ryoder said:

So now that imbecile DeSantis is suing the CDC to get cruise lines back in business.

Florida Sues CDC To Get Cruise Ships Back On The Water Immediately

Will someone 'splain to me why the governor of a US state has his panties in a wad over foreign companies?

Because freedom!  Fight the socialist control-everything liberals!

[BIGUN 1,402]

8 hours ago, Westerly said:

Sure, but still COVID vaccines were developed at a world record pace. Name any other vaccination for a disease as deadly or worse than Covid that was developed in three months?

Swine Flu of 1976 & 2009. 

[BIGUN 1,402]

6 hours ago, billvon said:

When I was teaching at Brown, the worst students were always the military guys who had a few static line jumps.  Since they had jumped before, they thought they knew everything, and were generally unwilling/unable to learn anything outside what they had seen in the military.

In 1980, I had just finished Airborne School. Came home on leave in 1981 and went down to Muskogee to learn me how to skydive. Curly Roe was walking around on the tarmac with a cup of coffee when I asked where the skydiving school was. He told me I was talking to it. Told him I'd just finished Airborne school and he told me he used to be a black hat at Benning. "Let's grab some coffee and talk," he said. "We got to unlearn you a lot of bad habits."  

[BIGUN 1,402]

6 hours ago, billvon said:

Fight the socialist control-everything liberals!

Well, that's always a goal. 

In this case, it's about money. 

[wmw999 2,530]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

Curly Roe was walking around on the tarmac with a cup of coffee when I asked where the skydiving school was. He told me I was talking to it. Told him I'd just finished Airborne school and he told me he used to be a black hat at Benning. "Let's grab some coffee and talk," he said. "We got to unlearn you a lot of bad habits."  

Boy howdy that sounds just like Curly! I knew him at the old Spaceland!

Wendy P.

[Phil1111 1,149]

7 hours ago, billvon said:

...When I was teaching at Brown, the worst students were always the military guys who had a few static line jumps.  Since they had jumped before, they thought they knew everything, and were generally unwilling/unable to learn anything outside what they had seen in the military.

So now I understand Brent. Thought the military he thought he was a Five Star General.

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

In 1980, I had just finished Airborne School. Came home on leave in 1981 and went down to Muskogee to learn me how to skydive. Curly Roe was walking around on the tarmac with a cup of coffee when I asked where the skydiving school was. He told me I was talking to it. Told him I'd just finished Airborne school and he told me he used to be a black hat at Benning. "Let's grab some coffee and talk," he said. "We got to unlearn you a lot of bad habits."  

Then we have BIGUN who met up with Curly Roe. A jumper who listened and had an open mind. As a result one can understand new ideas and the other is destined never to learn or change his mind. But who still dreams at night about Five Star .....

 

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

10 hours ago, ryoder said:

So now that imbecile DeSantis is suing the CDC to get cruise lines back in business.

Florida Sues CDC To Get Cruise Ships Back On The Water Immediately

Will someone 'splain to me why the governor of a US state has his panties in a wad over foreign companies???

Carnival Corporation & plc - incorporated in Panama & UK

Royal Caribbean Group - incorporated in Liberia

Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings - incorporated in Bermuda

On top of that, the ships are all foreign-flagged and staffed by foreign citizens.

 

Money. 

A lot of the cruise passengers come down a day or two early, in case flights are delayed.
They stay in the hotels, eat at the restaurants, go to the attractions, ect.

8 hours ago, billvon said:

Because freedom!  Fight the socialist control-everything liberals!

Yup. The freedom to attract tourists and make money.
The idea that Covid is increasing again, the idea that putting a lot of people together on a boat is a bad idea (think about how bad some of the Norovirus outbreaks have been), the actual well being of the tourists comes after the money.

2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Well, that's always a goal. 

In this case, it's about money. 

Bingo.

[nwt 131]

13 hours ago, Westerly said:

It was done now because no one wanted to be that company that did NOT get that world-wide multi-billion dollar contract so all the companies took a 'blank check' approach to solving the problem. Literately everyone was working on a solution all in tandem.

And most of them failed. Most of these "blank check" efforts resulted in zero profit.

13 hours ago, Westerly said:

If we took that same approach to heart disease and other issues, we'd be way better off solving those problems than we currently are

You. Have. Absolutely. No. Idea. What. The. Fuck. You. Are. Talking. About.

To such a degree that it's insulting to those who do.

13 hours ago, Westerly said:

I mean, even with Covid-19 in existence, heart disease still killed nearly twice as many Americans as Covid did. 

The funny thing about a pandemic response is that the better you do, the fewer people die. Somehow some people are mentally challenged in a particular way that makes them see this backwards.

13 hours ago, Westerly said:

But how often did heart disease make it in the news? Never. Half the people out there probably dont even know what a cardiologist does. Covid was on the news 24/7 all year though.

Congratulations for knowing what a cardiologist does--you get a gold star! Sadly, you don't seem to know what news is.

11 hours ago, Westerly said:

Great, so where are all these other lovely vaccines that are piggybacking on mRNA tech for other disease?

They are coming. This is actually really exciting and shows a lot of promise in many areas including cancer treatment: https://molecular-cancer.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12943-021-01335-5

It literally just came out, have some patience lol

11 hours ago, Westerly said:

mRNA existed long before Covid ever came around. There was plenty of time to use that tech on other things.

This is actually really funny. Damn those single-celled organisms for not figuring out how to intelligently manipulate their own mRNA! You really are special.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

1 hour ago, nwt said:

 

You. Have. Absolutely. No. Idea. What. The. Fuck. You. Are. Talking. About.

To such a degree that it's insulting to those who do.

Just figuring that out?

[JerryBaumchen 1,430]

1 hour ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Just figuring that out?

Hi Joe,

+1

Jerry Baumchen

[airdvr 210]

On 4/9/2021 at 9:18 AM, wolfriverjoe said:

Money. 

A lot of the cruise passengers come down a day or two early, in case flights are delayed.
They stay in the hotels, eat at the restaurants, go to the attractions, ect.

Yup. The freedom to attract tourists and make money.
The idea that Covid is increasing again, the idea that putting a lot of people together on a boat is a bad idea (think about how bad some of the Norovirus outbreaks have been), the actual well being of the tourists comes after the money.

Bingo.

This^  Of course if you're stupid enough to jump on a 5,000 passenger boat right now...

[kallend 2,106]

I was on a 18 passenger boat last week.  Everyone had to have a negative test in hand before boarding, and another in hand before coming back to the USA.

[airdvr 210]

4 minutes ago, kallend said:

I was on a 18 passenger boat last week.  Everyone had to have a negative test in hand before boarding, and another in hand before coming back to the USA.

I'd go on a smaller boat like that.  Where were you?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

20 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I'd go on a smaller boat like that.  Where were you?

I'm guessing a 'live aboard' dive boat.

A friend is going to the Bahamas next week for that.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

10 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

I'm guessing a 'live aboard' dive boat.

A friend is going to the Bahamas next week for that.

Have an uncle who ran a live aboard dive operation out of Thailand for many years. Some great stories from his early days.

[DougH 270]

On 3/29/2021 at 2:08 AM, Westerly said:

Imagine if we put as much effort into solving those issues as COVID, I feel like we'd have a cure to cancer already.

Which cancer. It isn't a single disease. Even specific cancers vary from individual to individual.

[kallend 2,106]

18 hours ago, airdvr said:

I'd go on a smaller boat like that.  Where were you?

Liveaboard dive boat in the Exumas.

[nwt 131]

21 hours ago, DougH said:

Which cancer. It isn't a single disease. Even specific cancers vary from individual to individual.

That's why this mRNA technology is so promising--vaccines could be tailor-made to the individual.

[TriGirl 333]

On 4/9/2021 at 11:18 PM, wolfriverjoe said:

Money. 

A lot of the cruise passengers come down a day or two early, in case flights are delayed.
They stay in the hotels, eat at the restaurants, go to the attractions, ect.

Plus those cruise ships pay port fees, which are taxed.  And he's trying to appeal to the port workers as well, showing that he's fighting to get them "back to work."  

I agree with his desire to get people earning money again (get back to work, parts of the economy moving), but disagree with how he thinks this should happen ("everyone go on a cruise!").

[kallend 2,106]

Last week was the first time I've ever been in Nassau (Bahamas, not NY) that there hasn't been a single cruise ship docked there.  Usually there have been 4 or 5 of them.

[kallend 2,106]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/health/breakthrough-infections-covid-vaccines-cdc/index.html

So it's not zero, but a very tiny % of vaccinated people have subsequently died or needed hospitalization.

 

(CNN)About 5,800 people who have been vaccinated against coronavirus have become infected anyway, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tells CNN.

Some became seriously ill and 74 people died, the CDC said. It said 396 -- 7% -- of those who got infected after they were vaccinated required hospitalization.

It's the first indication from CDC of how effective the vaccine is in real life -- and the first indication the vaccines do not protect completely against severe disease and death.

"So far, about 5,800 breakthrough cases have been reported to CDC. To date, no unexpected patterns have been identified in case demographics or vaccine characteristics," the CDC told CNN via email.

So far, about 77 million people in the US are fully vaccinated against coronavirus, according to a CNN analysis of CDC data. 

[Phil1111 1,149]

3 hours ago, kallend said:

...Some became seriously ill and 74 people died, the CDC said. It said 396 -- 7% -- of those who got infected after they were vaccinated required hospitalization.
...

Sounds right if Pfizer and Moderna both suggest a 95% efficacy. Then J&J and AstraZeneca having a lessor 80% or so effectiveness.

Social distancing, masks, vaccinations, etc. will all be required to snuff covid out in a local population.

[gowlerk 2,249]

US vaccination of at least one shot is now nearly 40% of the population. And now the uptake is slowing down and more and more work will need to be done to reach the procrastinators and convince the doubters.

 https://us.cnn.com/2021/04/18/us/covid-vaccine-slowing-us-demand/index.html

The Canadian rate stands at about 22% but with far fewer 2nd shots administered. I was predicting we would be about 30 days behind, but now I'm thinking it may be a little less.

Edited April 19, 2021 by gowlerk