covid-19

[olofscience 480]

24 minutes ago, Westerly said:

ends up evading vaccines thanks to endless mutations, then we start back at square one again.

No, we just re-code the mRNA to target the new mutations, and run it through a slightly faster testing process like for the annual flu vaccines.

Soon everyone will be vaccinated though, as the antivaxx are selecting themselves out of the gene pool quite rapidly.

[winsor 236]

I stumbled across this:

https://off-guardian.org/2021/09/22/30-facts-you-need-to-know-your-covid-cribsheet/

Some of the points are more valid than others.  I'm a lot more concerned by the proliferation of blood clots of various sizes and the permanent damage that results than of death per se - there's a difference between recovering and remaining among the undead.

Having worked in a COVID-19 hot spot continuously, I don't take much for granted.  The comparative merits of masks are debated, but I have worn N-95s since February of 2020.  The vaccine is not a panacea, but I got the third shot on Friday.

The principle I follow is that, given that life is a crapshoot at best, it behooves one to load the dice in one's favor as best as possible.  To continue the gambling analogy, I see the same kind of religious fervor attached to the pandemic (on both sides of every issue) that I see in casinos (rabbit's foot anyone?).  I don't gamble and have never bought a lottery ticket, but have stayed in casinos when working in Reno and so forth, so I have been exposed to the vibe.

In any event, if anyone claims that something works or doesn't, I'd love to see the data AND the testing methodology.  I've seen too many PhDs whose dissertations were invalidated by further research - and they are still doctors.

Like a lot of dangerous things, it is best to do your homework as best as possible, prepare yourself accordingly, and strike a balance as you proceed.  Like skiing an expert slope or kayaking rapids, your best results can be if you don't try to stop once committed,

Also, Wendy's sig line comes to mind, where people who ignored basic safety procedures and got away with it got cocky and came to grief.

 

BSBD,

Winsor

[Stumpy 284]

1 hour ago, winsor said:

I stumbled across this:

https://off-guardian.org/2021/09/22/30-facts-you-need-to-know-your-covid-cribsheet/

Some of the points are more valid than others.  I'm a lot more concerned by the proliferation of blood clots of various sizes and the permanent damage that results than of death per se - there's a difference between recovering and remaining among the undead.

Having worked in a COVID-19 hot spot continuously, I don't take much for granted.  The comparative merits of masks are debated, but I have worn N-95s since February of 2020.  The vaccine is not a panacea, but I got the third shot on Friday.

The principle I follow is that, given that life is a crapshoot at best, it behooves one to load the dice in one's favor as best as possible.  To continue the gambling analogy, I see the same kind of religious fervor attached to the pandemic (on both sides of every issue) that I see in casinos (rabbit's foot anyone?).  I don't gamble and have never bought a lottery ticket, but have stayed in casinos when working in Reno and so forth, so I have been exposed to the vibe.

In any event, if anyone claims that something works or doesn't, I'd love to see the data AND the testing methodology.  I've seen too many PhDs whose dissertations were invalidated by further research - and they are still doctors.

Like a lot of dangerous things, it is best to do your homework as best as possible, prepare yourself accordingly, and strike a balance as you proceed.  Like skiing an expert slope or kayaking rapids, your best results can be if you don't try to stop once committed,

Also, Wendy's sig line comes to mind, where people who ignored basic safety procedures and got away with it got cocky and came to grief.

 

BSBD,

Winsor

Oh man. You need to re-evaluate your sources. The vast majority of that is weapons grade misinformation.

[BIGUN 1,324]

2 hours ago, winsor said:

it is best to do your homework

OK. Let's do that. 

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OffGuardian reports news with a pro-Russian bias. Many articles are very critical of Ukraine, such as this Ukraine admitted to interfering in the 2016 US election on Clinton’s side. This story does not offer hyperlinked sourcing but rather translations of documents. OffGuardian also frequently promotes conspiracy theories regarding GMOs such as Post-Brexit Farming, Glyphosate, and GMOs. Although this story utilizes some credible sources, it also cites Mercola, a website promoting quackery-level pseudoscience. They also promote 9/11 conspiracies such as The Fakest Fake News: The U.S. Government’s 9/11 Conspiracy Theory. They frequently cover False Flags and the US Deep State conspiracy as well as anti-vaccination propaganda.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/

 

 

[gowlerk 2,216]

47 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

OK. Let's do that. 

 

So it would seem that the main purpose of that Russian website is to sow discord in western societies? Thanks Winsor. And of course thanks to Bigun for quickly digging up the info.

Edited September 27, 2021 by gowlerk

[kallend 2,027]

Dying to own the Libs.

 

[Stumpy 284]

1 minute ago, kallend said:

Dying to own the Libs.

 

It's a conspiracy! this just proves that the plandemic is created to target Conservatives! Something something wuhan something something Soros!

[winsor 236]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

OK. Let's do that. 

 

Thanks for doing the homework.

As I noted, some parts were more plausible than others.  Turns out the source has agenda - who'd a thunk it?

My experience is that out and out conspiracies are rare, and they are often in your face like the Great American Streetcar Conspiracy:

https://theanthrotorian.com/history/2014/5/18/fact-or-fiction-the-great-streetcar-conspiracy

More common is the predisposition to accept some concepts and reject others on the basis of comfort level with the fundamentals.

Given that there's a lot of bad craziness associated with SARS-CoV-2, the subject does rather lend itself to manipulation.

 

BSBD,

Winsor

[kallend 2,027]

8 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

It's a conspiracy! this just proves that the plandemic is created to target Conservatives! Something something wuhan something something Soros!

Since you bring it up:

In an article this month for Breitbart, John Nolte argued that the partisan gap in vaccination rates was part of a liberal plot. Liberals like Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Anthony Fauci and Howard Stern have tried so hard to persuade people to get vaccinated, because they know that Republican voters will do the opposite of whatever they say.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

15 minutes ago, kallend said:

Dying to own the Libs.

 

It's reached the point where Breitbart has published an opinion piece claiming that the Ds are deliberately pushing mitigation methods (vaccines, masks, ect) in order to dissuade Rs from taking those precautions.

Of course, Bill Gates is smart enough to know that, so he hid the 5G chips in the Horse Dewormer paste (Note: this is sarcasm).

Edit to add: The professor beat me to it.

Edited September 27, 2021 by wolfriverjoe

[Stumpy 284]

1 minute ago, wolfriverjoe said:

It's reached the point where Breitbart has published an opinion piece claiming that the Ds are deliberately pushing mitigation methods (vaccines, masks, ect) in order to dissuade Rs from taking those precautions.

 

It's all part of the plan. Have you received your bidenbucks yet?

It's almost like the party of personal responsibility are nothing of the sort.

[JoeWeber 2,736]

1 hour ago, kallend said:

Dying to own the Libs.

 

To quote Captain Miller at the seawall on Omaha Beach in Saving Private Ryan: " It's not enough".

[winsor 236]

5 hours ago, BIGUN said:

OK. Let's do that. 

 

Okay, so the last article was a dud.  This one touches a lot of bases that fit what I think I know:

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2021/09/spartacus/

I skipped to the conclusions and I think Hanlon's Razor applies.  I am more likely to attribute things to incompetence than conspiracy, which gives the culprits too much credit.

Edited September 27, 2021 by winsor
further reading

[headoverheels 333]

More evidence that vaccine administrators should be aspirating before injecting, this time for mRNA vaccines to avoid myocarditis:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab707/6353927

Conclusions

This study provided in vivo evidence that inadvertent intravenous injection of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines may induce myopericarditis. Brief withdrawal of syringe plunger to exclude blood aspiration may be one possible way to reduce such risk."

There was already a ~2006 study that showed that venous injection of adenovirus vaccines could cause the same type of unusual clotting seen in the AstraZeneca and J&J/Janssen vaccines.

When my wife got her 3rd Moderna injection, she asked the nurse to aspirate, which she did.  Got blood the 1st two tries, clean on the 3rd. The CDC continues to recommend against aspirating, to avoid potential pain to the patient from moving the needle around.  UK likewise says not to aspirate.  It takes under 2 seconds, no real downside.

 

 

[gowlerk 2,216]

1 hour ago, winsor said:

Okay, so the last article was a dud.  This one touches a lot of bases that fit what I think I know:

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2021/09/spartacus/

I skipped to the conclusions and I think Hanlon's Razor applies.  I am more likely to attribute things to incompetence than conspiracy, which gives the culprits too much credit.

Yea, last article was a dud and this one is worse. 

 

Conclusions:

 

The current pandemic was produced and perpetuated by the establishment, through the use of a virus engineered in a PLA-connected Chinese biowarfare laboratory, with the aid of American taxpayer dollars and French expertise.

This research was conducted under the absolutely ridiculous euphemism of “gain-of-function” research, which is supposedly carried out in order to determine which viruses have the highest potential for zoonotic spillover and preemptively vaccinate or guard against them.

 

Why are they doing this? Simple. The Elites are Neo-Malthusians and believe that we are overpopulated and that resource depletion will collapse civilization in a matter of a few short decades. They are not necessarily incorrect in this belief. We are overpopulated, and we are consuming too many resources. However, orchestrating such a gruesome and murderous power grab in response to a looming crisis demonstrates that they have nothing but the utmost contempt for their fellow man.

To those who are participating in this disgusting farce without any understanding of what they are doing, we have one word for you. Stop. You are causing irreparable harm to your country and to your fellow citizens.

To those who may be reading this warning and have full knowledge and understanding of what they are doing and how it will unjustly harm millions of innocent people, we have a few more words.

Damn you to hell. You will not destroy America and the Free World, and you will not have your New World Order. We will make certain of that.

Edited September 27, 2021 by gowlerk

[BIGUN 1,324]

1 hour ago, winsor said:

Okay, so the last article was a dud.  This one touches a lot of bases that fit what I think I know:

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• Overall, we rate The Automatic Earth Right Biased and a pseudoscience website based on the promotion of misinformation and pseudoscience during the covid-19 pandemic.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-automatic-earth/

 

For future reference; feel free to check your sources using - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

[Stumpy 284]

1 hour ago, winsor said:

Okay, so the last article was a dud.  This one touches a lot of bases that fit what I think I know:

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2021/09/spartacus/

I skipped to the conclusions and I think Hanlon's Razor applies.  I am more likely to attribute things to incompetence than conspiracy, which gives the culprits too much credit.

It didn't take long to scan down that:
"• There is a vast and appalling criminal conspiracy that directly links both Anthony Fauci and Moderna to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
• COVID-19 vaccine researchers are directly linked to scientists involved in brain-computer interface (“neural lace”) tech, one of whom was indicted for taking grant money from China.
• Independent researchers have discovered mysterious nanoparticles inside the vaccines that are not supposed to be present.
• The entire pandemic is being used as an excuse for a vast political and economic transformation of Western society that will enrich the already rich and turn the rest of us into serfs and untouchables."

If you are buying into this, then there's probably no hope for you.

[billvon 3,006]

42 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Why are they doing this? Simple. The Elites are Neo-Malthusians and believe that we are overpopulated and that resource depletion will collapse civilization in a matter of a few short decades. They are not necessarily incorrect in this belief. We are overpopulated, and we are consuming too many resources. However, orchestrating such a gruesome and murderous power grab in response to a looming crisis demonstrates that they have nothing but the utmost contempt for their fellow man.

This doesn't even make sense.  If some elites out there are intent on reducing the Earth's population - wouldn't they be against vaccines?  I mean, COVID has already killed five million people worldwide.  Why wouldn't those neo-Malthusian power grabbing elites trying to talk people OUT of getting vaccines?  And if this article opposes those evil elites, surely they would push vaccines.   But instead this article is claiming that the "medical establishment is injecting literal poison into millions of our fellow Americans without so much as a fight."  Sure sounds like TheAutomaticEarth is trying to stop vaccinations and support the pandemic.

Waitaminute.  I know what this is!  It's a false flag.  Yes, there are neo-Malthusian power grabbing elites out there - and they are publishing their manifestos on TheAutomaticEarth, hoping to reduce the Earth's population!

Thank you Winsor for uncovering this dastardly plot.

[kallend 2,027]

42 minutes ago, billvon said:

This doesn't even make sense.  If some elites out there are intent on reducing the Earth's population - wouldn't they be against vaccines?  I mean, COVID has already killed five million people worldwide.  Why wouldn't those neo-Malthusian power grabbing elites trying to talk people OUT of getting vaccines? 

Clearly it's a triple-cross (or reverse reverse psych. warfare).

[winsor 236]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

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For future reference; feel free to check your sources using - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

Good advice.  A lot of the article is legit, but for some reason he went off the rails at the conspiracy part.  At least he stopped short of including space aliens with their dreaded anal probes.

 

BSBD,

Winsor

[Stumpy 284]

25 minutes ago, winsor said:

 A lot of the article is legit,

No, it's not. Just because it uses scientific words does not make it legit. 

In fact - the most telling paragraph of the whole thing is this:

The majority of the public are scientifically illiterate and cannot grasp what any of this even means, thanks to a pathetic educational system that has miseducated them. You would be lucky to find 1 in 100 people who have even the faintest clue what any of this actually means.

The author of the piece is banking on this being true in order to hoodwink people like yourself.

[billvon 3,006]

1 hour ago, Stumpy said:

• Independent researchers have discovered mysterious nanoparticles inside the vaccines that are not supposed to be present.

Those wacky nanoparticles are showing up all over.  First there was nanothermite in the Twin Towers, then there were nanobots in the vaccine - now there are nanoparticles in the virus!  It's like they know to get inside of anything that conspiracy nuts are worried about.

[Stumpy 284]

2 minutes ago, billvon said:

Those wacky nanoparticles are showing up all over.  First there was nanothermite in the Twin Towers, then there were nanobots in the vaccine - now there are nanoparticles in the virus!  It's like they know to get inside of anything that conspiracy nuts are worried about.

I bet they are in chemtrails as well. It's of course totally normal that all these things come to light, that must be proof of a huge conspiracy involving thousands upon thousands of people, without a single bit of real leaked evidence from a whistleblower or similar.

[JerryBaumchen 1,373]

47 minutes ago, kallend said:

Clearly it's a triple-cross (or reverse reverse psych. warfare).

Hi John,

Well, if it is that complicated, then there is only one thing to do:  Get the Dog on it.

'when people began reaching out to him to look into Laundrie’s disappearance.'

Gabby Petito homicide: For Dog the Bounty Hunter, search for Brian Laundrie is personal (msn.com)

What a total & complete idiot. *

Now, back to your regular schedule.

Jerry Baumchen

*  The simple fact that this idiot has a tv program that people watch is one more step on the dumbing down of this country.  National Enquirer anyone?

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,373]

Hi folks,

IMO good riddance:  Massachusetts State Police Troopers Resign Over A COVID Vaccine Mandate : Coronavirus Updates : NPR

He seems to forget that these troopers had a choice:  "It is unfortunate that the Governor and his team have chosen to mandate one of the most stringent vaccine mandates in the country with no reasonable alternatives," State Police Association president Michael Cherven said in a statement.

I guess that getting vax'd is not a reasonable alternative.

Jerry Baumchen