Phil1111 1,149 #6001 December 2, 2021 54 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi folks, One more non-believer bites the dust: Marcus Lamb, founder of Daystar Television Network, dies after getting COVID-19 : NPR Jerry Baumchen Obtaining natural immunity through infection is a .......oh hell all just a part of God's plan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,393 #6002 December 3, 2021 6 hours ago, billvon said: But again we just don't know yet. Thanks for the details, Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #6003 December 4, 2021 This may have been posted, but I don't remember seeing it. One of the 'fun' things about Covid (and one of the really big unknowns) is it's long term effects. "Long Covid" is a well known (not well understood, but well known) phenomenon. Some people continue to experience symptoms for quite a while after recovering from the initial infection. However, death is also a 'symptom' of Long Covid. A study in Florida showed that people who tested positive had a 223% greater chance of dying (from all causes) in the year after their infection than those who weren't infected.https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-survivors-have-an-increased-risk-of-death-12-months-post-infection Not only is this pandemic 'not over', it won't be over even after it's over. We're going to be dealing with the long term effects of it for a... Long time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #6004 December 4, 2021 (edited) Omicron may be where we're headed, but the present wave is still Delta. The US reported today: 157,500 new cases* ~20 cases known to be Omicron --------------------- *most cases in a day since September 15, with nearly 1,800 deaths Edited December 4, 2021 by headoverheels Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,422 #6005 December 5, 2021 Hi folks, WOW!!!! Who would have ever guessed: Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates : Shots - Health News : NPR Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #6006 December 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi folks, WOW!!!! Who would have ever guessed: Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates : Shots - Health News : NPR Jerry Baumchen One of the more telling facts from the story is that the vax rates for pro-Trump places is far below the rest of the country. And that believing false statements about Covid & the vax are telling factors in vax rates. From the story: Quote Misinformation appears to be a major factor in the lagging vaccination rates. The Kaiser Family Foundation's polling shows Republicans are far more likely to believe false statements about COVID-19 and vaccines. A full 94% of Republicans think one or more false statements about COVID-19 and vaccines might be true, and 46% believe four or more statements might be true. By contrast, only 14% of Democrats believe four or more false statements about the disease. Belief in multiple false statements highly correlates with vaccination status, Hamel says. "If you believe that the vaccines can damage your fertility, that they contain a microchip and that the government is inflating the number of COVID-19 deaths, you're going to think really differently about whether to get vaccinated." Trump and the Rs saw how Covid was mostly affecting 'blue' places at the beginning. So they tailored the response in the hopes that their foes would be worse off (remember Trump saying he'd decide who got supplies based on 'how nice they were to him?). Now that their base is killing itself off, they can't reverse the trend. Remember how Trump & Graham got booed for suggesting people get vaxxed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #6007 December 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said: One of the more telling facts from the story is that the vax rates for pro-Trump places is far below the rest of the country. And that believing false statements about Covid & the vax are telling factors in vax rates. From the story: Trump and the Rs saw how Covid was mostly affecting 'blue' places at the beginning. So they tailored the response in the hopes that their foes would be worse off (remember Trump saying he'd decide who got supplies based on 'how nice they were to him?). Now that their base is killing itself off, they can't reverse the trend. Remember how Trump & Graham got booed for suggesting people get vaxxed? Death isn't the biggest factor by a long shot. For every death there are many more who suffer permanent damage from blood clots, varying from plugged capillary size to plugged aorta size (thought the latter are usually fatalities). Even eliminating death from the equation leaves an awful lot of damage amongst the undead. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,393 #6008 December 6, 2021 We can hope: Fauci says early reports encouraging about omicron variant By GENE JOHNSONyesterday FILE - Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, speaks during the daily briefing at the White House in Washington, Wednesday, Dec. 1, 2021. U.S. health officials said Sunday, Dec. 5 that while the omicron variant of the coronavirus is rapidly spreading throughout the country, early indications suggest it may be less dangerous than delta, which continues to drive a surge of hospitalizations. President Joe Biden's chief medial adviser, Dr. Anthony Fauci, told CNN's “State of the Union” that scientists need more information before drawing conclusion's about omicron's severity. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh, File) U.S. health officials said Sunday that while the omicron variant of the coronavirus is rapidly spreading throughout the country, early indications suggest it may be less dangerous than delta, which continues to drive a surge of hospitalizations. President Joe Biden’s chief medical adviser, Dr. Anthony Fauci, told CNN’s “State of the Union” that scientists need more information before drawing conclusions about omicron’s severity. Reports from South Africa, where it emerged and is becoming the dominant strain, suggest that hospitalization rates have not increased alarmingly. “Thus far, it does not look like there’s a great degree of severity to it,” Fauci said. “But we have really got to be careful before we make any determinations that it is less severe or it really doesn’t cause any severe illness, comparable to delta.” https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-joe-biden-lifestyle-health-travel-ef7c250c58b90b9835a972d7ebd9556b Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,058 #6009 December 6, 2021 From early on in the use of vaccines to fight COVID, heterologous vaccination (vaccination series that used two different vaccines) has shown promise. An early study from the NIH showed that substituting one of the mRNA vaccines with J+J improved both neutralizing activity (i.e. inactivation of the virus) and antibody titers (an indication of protection against specific strains of the virus.) Now there's data out of Israel showing that going with a heterologous booster can also help improve resistance. They looked at people who got both doses of the Pfizer vaccine initially, then got either the Pfizer booster or a J+J booster. Both led to boosts in antibody counts, but the J+J booster also showed greater CD8+ T cell responses (one of the cells that recognizes and attacks pathogens) than the people who got the Pfizer booster. The J+J booster was also longer lasting - after 4 weeks, people who got the J+J had higher antibody levels. This reinforces the theory that heterologous vaccinations (including boosters) are somewhat preferable to homologous vaccinations. It also provides an option for the vaccine-hesitant who originally got the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, but have since been radicalized by misinformation. Since the J+J is not an mRNA vaccine, but rather a more conventional adenovirus-based vaccine, they may be more comfortable with that as a booster. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.02.21267198v1.full.pdf 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #6010 December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, billvon said: From early on in the use of vaccines to fight COVID, heterologous vaccination (vaccination series that used two different vaccines) has shown promise..... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.02.21267198v1.full.pdf Thanks for that. Now i understand why you get paid the big bucks as a mod. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #6011 December 7, 2021 The issue of false positives vs PCR cycles has repeatedly been raised and ignored. Would that ignorance was bliss: https://brownstone.org/articles/pcr-tests-and-the-rise-of-disease-panic/ 'Cases' remind me of the McDonalds sign '100 Billion Served!' What's a 'served?' Order items? Entrees? Cash register sales? Please define your terms. Similarly, what's a 'case?' Positive test and medical intervention required? Positive test? Medical diagnosis of 'you have COVID?' These data are vastly different. The fact that PCR is used makes the resulting data suspect. BSBD, Winsor 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nwt 131 #6012 December 7, 2021 22 minutes ago, winsor said: The issue of false positives vs PCR cycles has repeatedly been raised and ignored. Would that ignorance was bliss: https://brownstone.org/articles/pcr-tests-and-the-rise-of-disease-panic/ 'Cases' remind me of the McDonalds sign '100 Billion Served!' What's a 'served?' Order items? Entrees? Cash register sales? Please define your terms. Similarly, what's a 'case?' Positive test and medical intervention required? Positive test? Medical diagnosis of 'you have COVID?' These data are vastly different. The fact that PCR is used makes the resulting data suspect. BSBD, Winsor I couldn't take that drivel more than a couple paragraphs. What's the punchline? That EBV suddenly rose up and killed 790k Americans over the past 2 years? 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,241 #6013 December 7, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, winsor said: The issue of false positives vs PCR cycles has repeatedly been raised and ignored. Would that ignorance was bliss: https://brownstone.org/articles/pcr-tests-and-the-rise-of-disease-panic/ 'Cases' remind me of the McDonalds sign '100 Billion Served!' What's a 'served?' Order items? Entrees? Cash register sales? Please define your terms. Similarly, what's a 'case?' Positive test and medical intervention required? Positive test? Medical diagnosis of 'you have COVID?' These data are vastly different. The fact that PCR is used makes the resulting data suspect. BSBD, Winsor Brownstone Institute? Credibility = Zero Like most of your links. Good grief, you must hang out in some weird places when you are not here helping us! https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95601 Edited December 7, 2021 by gowlerk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,058 #6014 December 7, 2021 I would remind everyone that the 'ignore' feature is a good option in some cases. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,241 #6015 December 7, 2021 31 minutes ago, billvon said: I would remind everyone that the 'ignore' feature is a good option in some cases. I just changed one word of my reply. So easy! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #6016 December 7, 2021 3 hours ago, nwt said: I couldn't take that drivel more than a couple paragraphs. You never wondered what the ever growing "100 Billion Served" means? They might as well just change the sign to a bazillion and be done with it. . .my guess is french fries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,807 #6017 December 8, 2021 2 hours ago, gowlerk said: I just changed one word of my reply. So easy! Relax. We're all hoping you're first to 1000 likes no matter how often you post everywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,241 #6018 December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Coreece said: You never wondered what the ever growing "100 Billion Served" means? Since you are asking...... April 15, 1994- 100 Billion (McDonald's executives announce at the annual owner operator convention that they will stop counting hamburgers served because the count has surpassed the 99 Billion Hamburger mark so all the operators should change their signs to say "BILLIONS AND BILLIONS SERVED" and the signs have remained that way since. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murps2000 86 #6019 December 8, 2021 2 hours ago, gowlerk said: Since you are asking...... April 15, 1994- 100 Billion (McDonald's executives announce at the annual owner operator convention that they will stop counting hamburgers served because the count has surpassed the 99 Billion Hamburger mark so all the operators should change their signs to say "BILLIONS AND BILLIONS SERVED" and the signs have remained that way since. Remember when it was in the millions? I do as a kid back in the 70s. I always thought the number referred to hamburgers served. But they could have been padding the numbers with filet o fish sales. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,241 #6020 December 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, murps2000 said: Remember when it was in the millions? I do as a kid back in the 70s. I always thought the number referred to hamburgers served. But they could have been padding the numbers with filet o fish sales. The first McDonalds in Winnipeg opened in 1968. And it was considered a bit of a big deal. Our family went there and I can remember going up to the window and ordering a hotdog and fries. I just could not believe it when they told me I could not have a hotdog. What king of burger joint doesn't have dogs? Anyway, I guess I must have have one of those "where the beef?" burgers that I can't stand instead. The Big Mac and the Quarter pounder weren't a thing yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #6021 December 8, 2021 13 hours ago, billvon said: I would remind everyone that the 'ignore' feature is a good option in some cases. Agreed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #6022 December 8, 2021 14 hours ago, gowlerk said: Brownstone Institute? Credibility = Zero Like most of your links. Good grief, you must hang out in some weird places when you are not here helping us! https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95601 Being an Atheist I hold orthodoxy suspect. I much prefer Machiavelli to most of what the Vatican didn't ban. So delete the link and address the content. How hard is that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #6023 December 8, 2021 7 hours ago, gowlerk said: The first McDonalds in Winnipeg opened in 1968. And it was considered a bit of a big deal. Our family went there and I can remember going up to the window and ordering a hotdog and fries. I just could not believe it when they told me I could not have a hotdog. What king of burger joint doesn't have dogs? Anyway, I guess I must have have one of those "where the beef?" burgers that I can't stand instead. The Big Mac and the Quarter pounder weren't a thing yet. We went to McDonalds when it was just one Ray Kroc location, and it was pretty much as you describe. Your options were burgers with or without cheese, fries and a soda or milkshake, all for pocket change. Nothing to write home about, and bears faint resemblance to the McDonalds of today. Anyhow, the point of the post including the article is that data quality makes quite a bit of difference, and the 'gold standard' PCR can generate rather misleading results, depending on how it's used. A lot of statistics are bandied about, and most can be interpreted one way or another, depending upon the criteria. Did George Floyd die of COVID? His autopsy indicated that he had a pretty advanced case of it, as I recall. That would add to the tally of the COVID Pandemic. Did he die if a Fentanyl overdose? His autopsy also indicated better than LD50 quantities in his system. That would up the numbers of the Opioid Crisis. Having said that, I'm cool with attributing his passing to the evil sonofabitch kneeling on his neck and be done with it. I agree that it is a bad bug, but the decision making surrounding its treatment has an element of panic, which is generally counterproductive. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,514 #6024 December 8, 2021 His autopsy, and a test from April 3, indicated that he had had it in April, according to this: https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200605/george-floyd-tested-positive-for-covid-19 If a person is terminal with cancer and is hit by a car, what killed them? Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #6025 December 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, wmw999 said: His autopsy, and a test from April 3, indicated that he had had it in April, according to this: https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200605/george-floyd-tested-positive-for-covid-19 If a person is terminal with cancer and is hit by a car, what killed them? Wendy P. Lack of affordable healthcare? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
