covid-19

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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/23/covn-f23.html

[JoeWeber 2,810]

  On 2/22/2022 at 6:08 PM, SkyDekker said:

People keep saying this. But is it true, or is it the truthiness you feel in your belly? 

 

From what I can see suicides in the US were down from 2019 to 2020 by about 3%. Haven't seen suicide numbers for 2021 yet.e fully

You have fully nailed the reality of Billeisele. He believes what he believes because it where he is at socially. He thinks that instead of confronting him with facts, which I'll wager few do outside of here, we who do need to first opt for politeness and blah, blah, blah. His technique is to come back with a few well you were right here or theres but next time he does the same thing. Rinse, wash, repeat.

[lippy 918]

  On 2/28/2022 at 3:34 AM, JoeWeber said:

You have fully nailed the reality of Billeisele. He believes what he believes because it where he is at socially. He thinks that instead of confronting him with facts, which I'll wager few do outside of here, we who do need to first opt for politeness and blah, blah, blah. His technique is to come back with a few well you were right here or theres but next time he does the same thing. Rinse, wash, repeat.

I see what you’re saying, but at least he’s coming back for conversation. Pop over to the Fox News comments section to have any remaining faith in humanity knocked down a peg. The way those people talk about Democrats reminds me of Borat’s views about Jews. In my useless opinion, Bill and Airdvr are fairly far right but at least our common affinity for falling out of planes has us viewing each other as human and keeping a dialog going. 

[JoeWeber 2,810]

  On 2/28/2022 at 3:42 AM, lippy said:

I see what you’re saying, but at least he’s coming back for conversation. Pop over to the Fox News comments section to have any remaining faith in humanity knocked down a peg. The way those people talk about Democrats reminds me of Borat’s views about Jews. In my useless opinion, Bill and Airdvr are fairly far right but at least our common affinity for falling out of planes has us viewing each other as human and keeping a dialog going. 

Nah, you're a sharp cookie. for sure. But guy's like Bill and airdvr are fully invested in how they see things. No argument, no display of evidence will ever get them to change. In some ways it's an age thing. At a certain point you decide to run out the clock. Just the way it is.

[wmw999 2,517]

My mother always told me it’s better to talk to people than about them. That way they can dissuade us about our misconceptions, as well.

In the COVID-19 world, my little blue corner of the universe still has people fighting for mask mandates (as well as against). And about 25% of people are masked up downtown. OTOH, since the local hospital is just down the street, lots of local people know someone who works there, and can describe what the last two years have been like.

Wendy P. 

[airdvr 210]

  On 2/28/2022 at 3:51 AM, JoeWeber said:

Nah, you're a sharp cookie. for sure. But guy's like Bill and airdvr are fully invested in how they see things. No argument, no display of evidence will ever get them to change. In some ways it's an age thing. At a certain point you decide to run out the clock. Just the way it is.

Not true Joe.  Anyone here will tell you I've moved more to the center over the last few years.  I am however, still a product of my age and the way I was raised by my WWII vet father.

[billvon 3,063]

  On 2/28/2022 at 12:44 PM, wmw999 said:

In the COVID-19 world, my little blue corner of the universe still has people fighting for mask mandates (as well as against). And about 25% of people are masked up downtown.

Yeah.  Around here it's about 50%.  I think that's due to a large Asian/Filipino population that just doesn't see mask wearing as a big deal.  Some families here wear masks in the winter as the default.

One of the usual suspects here recently said "oh, if mask mandates really work, then we will see a big change on the day people stop wearing masks, right?"  Here, when the mask mandate expired on the 15th, the number went from about 70% to about 60%, and has been dropping slowly ever since.   Even with food service people.  Before the mandate ended it was close to 100%, now it's about 75%.  Some of that is that some companies have dropped the mandate, but even in places like Starbucks (that follows local policy) there are some wearing masks and some not wearing them.

[JoeWeber 2,810]

  On 3/1/2022 at 3:13 PM, airdvr said:

Not true Joe.  Anyone here will tell you I've moved more to the center over the last few years.  I am however, still a product of my age and the way I was raised by my WWII vet father.

Okay. I accept my error.

[wmw999 2,517]

As a by the by, the “masked up downtown” is outdoors; there’s still a mandate for indoors.

Wendy P. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,426]

  On 3/1/2022 at 3:13 PM, airdvr said:

Not true Joe.  Anyone here will tell you I've moved more to the center over the last few years.  I am however, still a product of my age and the way I was raised by my WWII vet father.

Hi airdvr,

Re:  Anyone here will tell you I've moved more to the center over the last few years. 

As I keep saying:  I was a member of the GOP for 40 yrs.  I did NOT leave the GOP, the GOP left me.

You?

Jerry Baumchen

[wmw999 2,517]

  On 2/28/2022 at 3:51 AM, JoeWeber said:

Nah, you're a sharp cookie. for sure. But guy's like Bill and airdvr are fully invested in how they see things. No argument, no display of evidence will ever get them to change. In some ways it's an age thing. At a certain point you decide to run out the clock. Just the way it is.

Something to consider is that there are posters who, when they ask a question, it's an honest question. They might disagree with the answer, but they're not just trying to set you up, they're interested in what you say. I'd put Airdvr and Billisle firmly into that category. There are others who really are only here to "hone their arguments" (IOW, they only see your words as a reflection of what they want).

I know who I'd rather interact with.

Wendy P.

[JoeWeber 2,810]

  On 3/1/2022 at 10:35 PM, wmw999 said:

Something to consider is that there are posters who, when they ask a question, it's an honest question. They might disagree with the answer, but they're not just trying to set you up, they're interested in what you say. I'd put Airdvr and Billisle firmly into that category. There are others who really are only here to "hone their arguments" (IOW, they only see your words as a reflection of what they want).

I know who I'd rather interact with.

Wendy P.

You wouldn't agree that unsubstantiated assertions, that when called, and are then backed up with easily dissected proofs falls outside your analysis? 

 

[wmw999 2,517]

I think assertions deserve to be questioned. That’s all part of the fun.

Wendy P. 

[brenthutch 444]

https://babylonbee.com/news/putin-receives-nobel-prize-in-medicine-for-ending-covid-pandemic

[billeisele 130]

  On 2/28/2022 at 3:34 AM, JoeWeber said:

You have fully nailed the reality of Billeisele. He believes what he believes because it where he is at socially. He thinks that instead of confronting him with facts, which I'll wager few do outside of here, we who do need to first opt for politeness and blah, blah, blah. His technique is to come back with a few well you were right here or theres but next time he does the same thing. Rinse, wash, repeat.

Joe - just getting back to this. I sincerely don't understand how you reach these conclusions. 
I believe what I believe because I've read it somewhere from one or more sources that appear credible. In some cases those sources have been shown to not be reliable and I've acknowledged that. I rarely if ever see anyone else acknowledge misstatements. I enjoy an educated exchange and try to have an open mind. In some cases I've altered my view and opinion based on information provided here.
On this particular topic of suicide rates it's been stated in many articles from various sources. You stated, "From what I can see suicides in the US were down from 2019 to 2020 by about 3%." You provided no citation or "proof" yet your statement is somehow, magically, expected to be accepted as fact. If what you say is true then back it up. I'll gladly alter my thoughts if provided factual data. On this topic it may be that there is contradicting data from reliable sources. If so, there is no value in us arguing about it.

Statements like this are far from reality, they are simply your opinion, and you are wrong. They clearly show that you are set in your opinion and unable to recognize that any other opinion may be accurate, IMO. "But guy's like Bill and airdvr are fully invested in how they see things. No argument, no display of evidence will ever get them to change." One thing for sure, at least for me, is that attacking each other has no purpose. I'd rather discuss the topic and ask honest questions.

[BIGUN 1,399]

  On 3/8/2022 at 1:33 PM, billeisele said:

One thing for sure, at least for me, is that attacking each other has no purpose. I'd rather discuss the topic and ask honest questions.

Fucking radical. That premise went out the window around 2011. 

[billvon 3,063]

  On 3/8/2022 at 1:33 PM, billeisele said:

On this particular topic of suicide rates it's been stated in many articles from various sources. You stated, "From what I can see suicides in the US were down from 2019 to 2020 by about 3%." You provided no citation or "proof" yet your statement is somehow, magically, expected to be accepted as fact. If what you say is true then back it up.

Here's the report from the CDC on that:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/VSRR016.pdf

[JoeWeber 2,810]

  On 3/8/2022 at 1:33 PM, billeisele said:

Joe - just getting back to this. I sincerely don't understand how you reach these conclusions. 
I believe what I believe because I've read it somewhere from one or more sources that appear credible. In some cases those sources have been shown to not be reliable and I've acknowledged that. I rarely if ever see anyone else acknowledge misstatements. I enjoy an educated exchange and try to have an open mind. In some cases I've altered my view and opinion based on information provided here.
On this particular topic of suicide rates it's been stated in many articles from various sources. You stated, "From what I can see suicides in the US were down from 2019 to 2020 by about 3%." You provided no citation or "proof" yet your statement is somehow, magically, expected to be accepted as fact. If what you say is true then back it up. I'll gladly alter my thoughts if provided factual data. On this topic it may be that there is contradicting data from reliable sources. If so, there is no value in us arguing about it.

Statements like this are far from reality, they are simply your opinion, and you are wrong. They clearly show that you are set in your opinion and unable to recognize that any other opinion may be accurate, IMO. "But guy's like Bill and airdvr are fully invested in how they see things. No argument, no display of evidence will ever get them to change." One thing for sure, at least for me, is that attacking each other has no purpose. I'd rather discuss the topic and ask honest questions.

It came from your push back on whether you should be held to task for stating things as fact and having no recollection of from where you heard it.  No matter, I apologize.

FYI, I do believe it was Skydekker who made the claim on suicide rates, not I.

Edited March 8, 2022 by JoeWeber

[brenthutch 444]

It’s one thing to be mocked by me, but it must really sting when SNL does it.

Edited March 12, 2022 by brenthutch

[kallend 2,106]

Just because the case count is declining and Ukraine has pushed it into the inside pages, it hasn't gone away by any means.  1,684 US COVID19 deaths reported just yesterday, and 19,625 in the past two weeks.

Not time to let down your guard.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

  On 3/8/2022 at 1:33 PM, billeisele said:

On this particular topic of suicide rates it's been stated in many articles from various sources. You stated, "From what I can see suicides in the US were down from 2019 to 2020 by about 3%." You provided no citation or "proof" yet your statement is somehow, magically, expected to be accepted as fact.

I said that, no need to blame Joe for that. I am sure he would have provided proof for the claim. I didn't, because I couldn't find data for 2021 and your claim might well still have been true, so was hoping you would provide the evidence for your claim once challenged. Don't think that happened.

[billeisele 130]

  On 3/8/2022 at 7:34 PM, JoeWeber said:

It came from your push back on whether you should be held to task for stating things as fact and having no recollection of from where you heard it.  No matter, I apologize.

FYI, I do believe it was Skydekker who made the claim on suicide rates, not I.

Joe, Bill and Skydeker - I've been off the site for a while

Bill - Thanks for posting the article. It clearly states the 3% reduction. That certainly clears that up.

Maybe my recollection was incorrect, that the sources were biased, or old-timers disease kicked in.  Peace guys.

 

 

[billvon 3,063]

So Marjorie Taylor Greene is back in the news because she is opposing COVID boosters again.  She said:

"Now I don't know about you guys, but many of us were vaccinated as kids against polio, we had our MMR, and I have never seen the CDC coming out and saying 'oh you've got to get your second polio shot, you've got to get your third, you've got to get your fourth.' "

The CDC recommends four polio vaccines for kids.  And that's four polio vaccines for a disease that has been largely eradicated - not a disease that just killed almost a million Americans.

It's as if she knows how uneducated her audience is, and is counting on that.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html

[ryoder 1,590]

  On 3/21/2022 at 9:48 PM, billvon said:

So Marjorie Taylor Greene is back in the news because she is opposing COVID boosters again.

Hanlon's razor

[BIGUN 1,399]

  On 3/21/2022 at 9:48 PM, billvon said:

So Marjorie Taylor Greene is back in the news because she is opposing COVID boosters again.  She said:

"Now I don't know about you guys, but many of us were vaccinated as kids against polio, we had our MMR, and I have never seen the CDC coming out and saying 'oh you've got to get your second polio shot, you've got to get your third, you've got to get your fourth.' "

<smh> Sometimes I think we need a "Dumbshit Party/" Ya know, where we can point and say, "You belong over there."