covid-19

[kallend 2,099]

A Tale of Two Nations.

This is a VERY instructive read, documenting the difference in outcome between a timely response and a delayed one:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/opinion/coronavirus-united-states-south-korea.html

Hundreds more Americans are likely to die of the virus again today. For that, the president bears substantial blame.

[Phil1111 1,149]

19 minutes ago, kallend said:

A Tale of Two Nations.

This is a VERY instructive read, documenting the difference in outcome between a timely response and a delayed one:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/opinion/coronavirus-united-states-south-korea.html

Hundreds more Americans are likely to die of the virus again today. For that, the president bears substantial blame.

"The United States and South Korea confirmed their first cases of COVID-19 within a day of each other, but since then, the United States has registered case numbers in six digits, whereas South Korea has barely cracked 10,000 and has witnessed a slowdown in the rate of infection. South Korea’s COVID-19 mortality rate is one-third that of the United States. And per capita, South Korea has tested three times as many citizens as the United States has—thanks in part to South Korean companies, which produce more than 350,000 test kits per day and plan to increase their output to one million."

"Less than a week after South Korea detected its first case of COVID-19 on January 20, health officials met with 20 medical and pharmaceutical companies to jump-start the production and approval of test kits. After some initial hesitation, the government declared a national emergency on February 23. The administration of U.S. President Donald Trump would take three more weeks to do the same."

and on and on and on.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

26 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

The qualification "local" was used to point out that the national leadership is not alone in making errors.

Local and state leaders realized their mistakes, admitted them and corrected them.

The Mango Mussolini...
Not so much.

He has yet to admit ANY.

 

Actually, he has doubled down on some of his lies (HCT is a good treatment), and then done a complete reversal on others (he knew it was a pandemic before anyone else).

[billvon 3,058]

2 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

What is the attractor energy pattern?

The hate?  The divisiveness; division of society into "us and them?"  From your posts here, you enjoy that sort of thing.  The reassurance that even the unintelligent can be important people?  The validation of white supremacy?  The white supremacist movements were ecstatic when Trump "stood up for them" over Charlottesville.

[ryoder 1,590]

Oh, this is beautiful!  Peter Navarro went on "60 Minutes", and made a complete fool of himself:

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,421]

7 minutes ago, ryoder said:

Oh, this is beautiful!  Peter Navarro went on "60 Minutes", and made a complete fool of himself:

 

Hi Robert,

I watched.  He looked like a complete fool.  No wonder he is another one of Trump's men.

Jerry Baumchen

[gowlerk 2,241]

Just now, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Robert,

I watched.  He looked like a complete fool.  No wonder he is another one of Trump's men.

Jerry Baumchen

Video not available in Canada.

[turtlespeed 226]

2 hours ago, kallend said:

A Tale of Two Nations.

This is a VERY instructive read, documenting the difference in outcome between a timely response and a delayed one:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/opinion/coronavirus-united-states-south-korea.html

Hundreds more Americans are likely to die of the virus again today. For that, the president bears substantial blame.

I ask you this one simle question:

What do you think the outcome would have been if POTUS had ordered something like Martial Law at the beginning of this?

This pertains to the US population's reaction to having their constitutional rights shelved.

[billvon 3,058]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Those officials made "mistakes" but what Trump did was criminal . . . got it.

Some of those officials DID make criminally negligent mistakes.  Trump is certainly not alone in that.

Florida did not shut down during Spring Break because they wanted to make money.  The Navy officials who blocked Crozier for getting aid for his men (one of them died today.)  Gov. Reynolds of Iowa, who said “I can’t lock the state down. People also have to be responsible for themselves.” Gov. Hutchinson of Arkansas who said stay-at-home orders were a "misleading illusion."  The governors of the five states that are STILL not shut down.

[billvon 3,058]

4 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

I ask you this one simle question:

What do you think the outcome would have been if POTUS had ordered something like Martial Law at the beginning of this?

This pertains to the US population's reaction to having their constitutional rights shelved.

"Martial law" would have been ridiculous and unnecessary.  No state has had to institute martial law to get people to stay home.  You're doing the strawman thing again.

What he needed to do (and did not) was:

• As soon as it was clear that COVID was a potential risk - send teams to China to understand it and start test kit preparation.  (That would have gained us six weeks of prep time.)
• As soon as it appeared in the US in any significant numbers - shut down schools and shopping.  (That would have gained us three weeks to slow the spread.)

And if he had done all that?  A large number of us would already be back at work.  We'd look like South Korea in terms of virus response, not Italy.

[ryoder 1,590]

9 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Video not available in Canada.

Try this one. It is a copy of the official video with 30s of commercial tacked onto the front:

 

Edited April 13, 2020 by ryoder

[olofscience 489]

6 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

What do you think the outcome would have been if POTUS had ordered something like Martial Law at the beginning of this?

Strawman argument, nobody was asking for that. All people were asking for was a coherent strategy. You know, leadership.

 

[JoeWeber 2,807]

3 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

I really like that quote!!

But perhaps we should place the blame properly.

If your 20/16 prescription of a democrat for president, didn't help your vision of the future, then what are you seeing for 20/20?

Are you a daytime stoner or was this your first attempt at a double entendre? I sure hope no poor bastard is shut in with you during this mess.

FYI, HRC wasn't my prescription she was simply who was on offer against Trump. 

[Phil1111 1,149]

54 minutes ago, ryoder said:

Oh, this is beautiful!  Peter Navarro went on "60 Minutes", and made a LAPDOG fool of himself:

 

FIFY

[turtlespeed 226]

37 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Are you a daytime stoner or was this your first attempt at a double entendre? I sure hope no poor bastard is shut in with you during this mess.

FYI, HRC wasn't my prescription she was simply who was on offer against Trump. 

You are an angry old man, aren't you?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

53 minutes ago, billvon said:

"Martial law" would have been ridiculous and unnecessary.  No state has had to institute martial law to get people to stay home.  You're doing the strawman thing again.

What he needed to do (and did not) was:

• As soon as it was clear that COVID was a potential risk - send teams to China to understand it and start test kit preparation.  (That would have gained us six weeks of prep time.)
• As soon as it appeared in the US in any significant numbers - shut down schools and shopping.  (That would have gained us three weeks to slow the spread.)

And if he had done all that?  A large number of us would already be back at work.  We'd look like South Korea in terms of virus response, not Italy.

California, Washington & Oregon went "Stay at Home" first. 

There was a fair amount of questioning and concern about it.

But it worked. 

New York waited. And paid the price.

 

Australia, South Korea and Germany chose to attack the issue full force. 
They are already seeing the 'beginning of the end'..

We're just at the 'end of the beginning'.

[RonD1120 62]

4 hours ago, gowlerk said:

Hatred. You are attracted to his hatred.

Wrong

[RonD1120 62]

4 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

The righteous drawn to a battle to defeat evil. Those who seek to protect the vulnerable from the predations of criminal government.

Good

[Phil1111 1,149]

18 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

California, Washington & Oregon went "Stay at Home" first. 

There was a fair amount of questioning and concern about it.

But it worked. 

New York waited. And paid the price.

 

Australia, South Korea and Germany chose to attack the issue full force. 
They are already seeing the 'beginning of the end'..

We're just at the 'end of the beginning'.

Unfortunately C-19 models have difficulty with a couple US variables. Migrant cases moving about from the states holding out from lockdowns. Insufficient testing in some states. trump.

All of which will influence subsequent waves of infections. China is having a new wave now from Chinese returning from Russia.

[airdvr 210]

3 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Local and state leaders realized their mistakes, admitted them and corrected them.
 

You're going to have to show me where any state and local leaders admitted any errors.

[gowlerk 2,241]

34 minutes ago, airdvr said:

You're going to have to show me where any state and local leaders admitted any errors.

I'm with you on that. They all just make excuses and admit no errors as far as I've seen.

 

[okalb 104]

37 minutes ago, airdvr said:

You're going to have to show me where any state and local leaders admitted any errors.

 

Edited April 13, 2020 by okalb

[JoeWeber 2,807]

2 hours ago, billvon said:

"Martial law" would have been ridiculous and unnecessary.  No state has had to institute martial law to get people to stay home.  You're doing the strawman thing again.

What he needed to do (and did not) was:

• As soon as it was clear that COVID was a potential risk - send teams to China to understand it and start test kit preparation.  (That would have gained us six weeks of prep time.)
• As soon as it appeared in the US in any significant numbers - shut down schools and shopping.  (That would have gained us three weeks to slow the spread.)

And if he had done all that?  A large number of us would already be back at work.  We'd look like South Korea in terms of virus response, not Italy.

Relax everyone, this will only sting for a second.

[JerryBaumchen 1,421]

6 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Relax everyone, this will only sting for a second.

Hi Joe,

Trump's Dream Team.  More like a national nightmare.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[ryoder 1,590]

8 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Relax everyone, this will only sting for a second.

Exactly how does the Dump administration plan to open something they did not close???