covid-19

[JerryBaumchen 1,426]

Hi folks, 

I just came across this nugget:  ‘. . . Justice Department would support legal action against states that continue to impose strict social distancing rules . . .’

 I like how he says, 'would support.' *  And, just what would this 'legal action' be?

 https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/21/840262570/barr-open-to-legal-action-if-governors-restrictions-go-too-far

 Jerry Baumchen

*  He's started to sound like Trump.

 PS)  Yes, I know that the feds could withhold $$$ from any state that they chose from a variety of programs.

 

[ryoder 1,590]

Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/hydroxychloroquine-treatment-for-covid-19-shows-no-benefit-and-more-deaths-in-va-study-2020-04-21

[turtlespeed 226]

55 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Unless you grow all your food yourself that is simply not possible. Eventually your stomach forces you to have contact with others.

More than now, at this moment?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 minute ago, turtlespeed said:

More than now, at this moment?

Part of the reason the social distancing is in place is so that you reduce the risk in those situations where social interaction is inevitable.

[turtlespeed 226]

1 minute ago, SkyDekker said:

Part of the reason the social distancing is in place is so that you reduce the risk in those situations where social interaction is inevitable.

Again - no one is forcing anyone to go anywhere. Social distancing COULD be a great deal more stringent, if one so desires.

Have everything delivered.

It may not be the most desirable answer, but its very feasible for almost everyone. 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Have everything delivered.

 

Not currently possible in most areas. Even where grocery delivery is normally readily available, there are significant delays. Should also note that not everybody has the ability to pay for the additional fees often required.

[turtlespeed 226]

9 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Not currently possible in most areas. Even where grocery delivery is normally readily available, there are significant delays. Should also note that not everybody has the ability to pay for the additional fees often required.

Do you think that they will be magically more able to pay for ANY food without money from a job?

Can't uber - but we can uber-eats.

The cost increase for grocery delivery is negligible, if one takes the time to organize.

Edited April 21, 2020 by turtlespeed

[billvon 3,063]

23 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Do you think that they will be magically more able to pay for ANY food without money from a job?

So the highest risk people will protect themselves by getting everything delivered, thereby eliminating any contact with the disease.  And then pay for it by  . . . going to work?

I don't think you've really thought this through

[SkyDekker 1,465]

 

27 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Can't uber - but we can uber-eats.

That is another pretty good indication you are not understanding the concepts and prefer to just mindlessly repeat soundbites and talking points.

Maybe try thinking for a bit. 

[JoeWeber 2,810]

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Unless you grow all your food yourself that is simply not possible. Eventually your stomach forces you to have contact with others.

In Canada it might be your stomach.

[turtlespeed 226]

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

 

That is another pretty good indication you are not understanding the concepts and prefer to just mindlessly repeat soundbites and talking points.

Maybe try thinking for a bit. 

What sound bites?

What talking points - I haven't heard one single person say what I wrote.

[turtlespeed 226]

2 hours ago, billvon said:

So the highest risk people will protect themselves by getting everything delivered, thereby eliminating any contact with the disease.  And then pay for it by  . . . going to work?

I don't think you've really thought this through

How much extra do you think it is going to cost to have your groceries delivered?

What time frame are you imagining this hardship in?

 

[billvon 3,063]

22 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

The only way that life will return to any semblance of 'normal,' will be when a vaccine is mass-produced, proven to be safe and effective, and passed out free just like a polio or a smallpox vaccine. 

 

Or when we have universal antibody testing.

[airdvr 210]

The first person that I know died of Covid today.  He was in his 70's and had Lewy body dementia.  In a memory care unit locally.  Never went to the hospital and died with the only person who could possibly be by his side at 3am...a minimum wage aid.

He was a retired cop.  Nicest guy you ever want to meet.  It's a blessing in disguise because the Lewy body had ruined his mind.  Sad way for it to end.

[kallend 2,106]

First known CV-19 fatalities in US in early February according to autopsies.  It was here earlier than previously believed:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-21/autopsies-reveal-first-confirmed-u-s-coronavirus-deaths-occurred-in-bay-area-in-early-february?utm_source=sfmc_100035609&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=News+Alert%3a+Autopsies+reveal+first+confirmed+U.S.+coronavirus+deaths+occurred+in+Bay+Area+in+Februar&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.latimes.com%2fcalifornia%2fstory%2f2020-04-21%2fautopsies-reveal-first-confirmed-u-s-coronavirus-deaths-occurred-in-bay-area-in-early-february&utm_id=4838&sfmc_id=769725

[turtlespeed 226]

1 hour ago, kallend said:

First known CV-19 fatalities in US in early February according to autopsies.  It was here earlier than previously believed:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-21/autopsies-reveal-first-confirmed-u-s-coronavirus-deaths-occurred-in-bay-area-in-early-february?utm_source=sfmc_100035609&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=News+Alert%3a+Autopsies+reveal+first+confirmed+U.S.+coronavirus+deaths+occurred+in+Bay+Area+in+Februar&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.latimes.com%2fcalifornia%2fstory%2f2020-04-21%2fautopsies-reveal-first-confirmed-u-s-coronavirus-deaths-occurred-in-bay-area-in-early-february&utm_id=4838&sfmc_id=769725

I'd be willing to wager that there would be a much earlier finding in New York as well.

[RonD1120 62]

20 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

There ARE some more important things than living.

In Skydiving, Fun and challenge is more important than the chance that you may die.

That's why there is an expression like, "I would die for <Blank>"

T-shirt by Cass back in the early 90s.

"Skydiving is not just a matter of life and death.

It's more important than that."

[SkyDekker 1,465]

53 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

T-shirt by Cass back in the early 90s.

"Skydiving is not just a matter of life and death.

It's more important than that."

Skydiving is a hobby, it has absolutely zero importance.

(yes I know, military applications etc)

[JerryBaumchen 1,426]

7 hours ago, kallend said:

First known CV-19 fatalities in US in early February according to autopsies. 

Hi John,

Last nite Frontline ( on PBS ) did a very good 1 hr show on the virus and how it was handled by Washington state ( who had the first case here ) vs the loud mouth in Wash, DC.

If anyone gets a chance to see it, do it.

Jerry Baumchen

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

There is an interesting study in progress. It's not finished, so there is still some uncertainty.

It examines people who watched Hannity vs those who watched Carlson.

It looks at what they heard and what they did. 

It is finding that those who heard the line 'it's not a big deal' are getting sick and dying at higher rates.

Go figure.

 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/22/21229360/coronavirus-covid-19-fox-news-sean-hannity-misinformation-death?fbclid=IwAR2iayj_XbT2r1eRm9kVgcRwE0VLsIbAIa4kAXzz4s7P093qYtvNybg553c

[turtlespeed 226]

1 hour ago, wolfriverjoe said:

There is an interesting study in progress. It's not finished, so there is still some uncertainty.

It examines people who watched Hannity vs those who watched Carlson.

It looks at what they heard and what they did. 

It is finding that those who heard the line 'it's not a big deal' are getting sick and dying at higher rates.

Go figure.

 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/22/21229360/coronavirus-covid-19-fox-news-sean-hannity-misinformation-death?fbclid=IwAR2iayj_XbT2r1eRm9kVgcRwE0VLsIbAIa4kAXzz4s7P093qYtvNybg553c

That would make sense.

Improper information is not always bad, but it certainly is more than it isn't.

[airdvr 210]

My step daughter and her 5 yo in California got really sick in January...pneumonia and all that goes with it.   She's now thinking it might have been the 'Rona

[Phil1111 1,149]

7 minutes ago, airdvr said:

My step daughter and her 5 yo in California got really sick in January...pneumonia and all that goes with it.   She's now thinking it might have been the 'Rona

I wonder if you can get free antibody testing. Would save worry. But the efficacy of that seems to be in dispute.

[jakee 1,558]

14 minutes ago, airdvr said:

My step daughter and her 5 yo in California got really sick in January...pneumonia and all that goes with it.   She's now thinking it might have been the 'Rona

Outside possibility, if it was very late January in Santa Clara county or LA county. There doesn't seem to be a documented spread of Coronavirus elsewhere in California before or at that time.

[airdvr 210]

51 minutes ago, jakee said:

Outside possibility, if it was very late January in Santa Clara county or LA county. There doesn't seem to be a documented spread of Coronavirus elsewhere in California before or at that time.

Yes...Mountain View...Santa Clara county