We want more free stuff...

[airdvr 210]

22 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

I don't understand why they are fighting the unionization, though.

They could run it under the teachers union.

Why would a group of people so dedicated to unions, be so dead set against them?

They have union representation.  Why it's the UAW I have no idea.  Maybe they can get a job at Tesla.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

2 hours ago, DJL said:

That's basically step one in understanding a multifaceted issue regarding pay and cost of living.  First there exist a quantity of people who hold those jobs, some are new some are old.  That job exists over a time period and the local economic cycle changes as new people accept the job for the same rate, people who need jobs take jobs.  Eventually, those people decide to do something about it.  It's a risk they take but they collectively take he issue to the employer.

In this situation their gamble didn't pay off but you can bet that the school heard the shot across their bow and understand it's something they need to deal with.

Maybe. But she's a mom with a 10 year old kid who was 7 when she started her program in a place that is super expensive to live and has been for a long time. Seems to me if you have a kid job one is to provide for your child. If she was banging out her degree in Marine Biology I can see UC Santa Cruz but I'm pretty sure Anthropology degrees are available in lots of less expensive locations. 

[turtlespeed 220]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

They have union representation.  Why it's the UAW I have no idea.  Maybe they can get a job at Tesla.

That doesn't answer the questions above, though.

[airdvr 210]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

That doesn't answer the questions above, though.

I don't think they're deadset against unions.  Teachers love unions.  They just got herded into the wrong one.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

On 2/29/2020 at 8:20 PM, airdvr said:

UC Santa Cruz fires 54 graduate student workers striking for higher pay

Housing is expensive in Santa Cruz, and student workers have a difficult time living on the typical stipend of $2,400 a month before taxes, said Veronica Hamilton, vice president of UC Santa Cruz’s graduate student association and chair of the campus’ unit of UAW Local 2865, the union for more than 19,000 student workers at the UC system.  

So you can't afford to live in Santa Cruz.  Guess you'll have to move.

I have been looking for your thread opposing the money being provided to farmers. For some reason you felt compelled to start a conversation about this, which is absolutely peanuts compared to the money provided to farmers.

[airdvr 210]

13 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

I have been looking for your thread opposing the money being provided to farmers. For some reason you felt compelled to start a conversation about this, which is absolutely peanuts compared to the money provided to farmers.

Ummm...refresh my memory.  Not recalling the thread.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

5 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Ummm...refresh my memory.  Not recalling the thread.

Exactly.

[Phil1111 1,149]

54 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Maybe. But she's a mom with a 10 year old kid who was 7 when she started her program in a place that is super expensive to live and has been for a long time. Seems to me if you have a kid job one is to provide for your child. If she was banging out her degree in Marine Biology I can see UC Santa Cruz but I'm pretty sure Anthropology degrees are available in lots of less expensive locations. 

Since President Regan is dead and a Reagan solution isn't available. Thats about it.

[jakee 1,489]

5 hours ago, brenthutch said:

  The market value is the price point where the seller of a good or service equals what a buyer is willing to pay for that good or service.

Obviously they miscalculated.  

And why does that make you feel the need to belittle them?

[jakee 1,489]

3 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Why would a group of people so dedicated to unions, be so dead set against them?

How do you know these TAs are so dedicated to unions?

[kallend 2,027]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

Ummm...refresh my memory.  Not recalling the thread.

Whoooosh.

[turtlespeed 220]

51 minutes ago, jakee said:

How do you know these TAs are so dedicated to unions?

Really?

 

[airdvr 210]

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Exactly.

Ok...I see my error.  Very funny

[billvon 2,991]

2 hours ago, jakee said:

And why does that make you feel the need to belittle them?

Some people don't feel good unless they are making someone else feel bad.

[jakee 1,489]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Really?

Yes.

[brenthutch 444]

4 hours ago, jakee said:

And why does that make you feel the need to belittle them?

I am not belittling them, it is just a sober statement of fact.  If they thought that they would actually loose their job/education, they never would have pursued that course of action.  They miscalculated, plain and simple. 

[jakee 1,489]

43 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

I am not belittling them, it is just a sober statement of fact.  If they thought that they would actually loose their job/education, they never would have pursued that course of action.

That's not a fact, that's a projection.

 

Neither is it a fact that they went on strike because their husbands or baby daddies walked out, those are insults.

[brenthutch 444]

23 minutes ago, jakee said:

That's not a fact, that's a projection.

 

Neither is it a fact that they went on strike because their husbands or baby daddies walked out, those are insults.

Did you read the OP?  It is EXACTLY what put them in this situation. "single mother" "husband lost his job" "rent is expensive" 

 

[jakee 1,489]

8 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Did you read the OP?  

I did. Pretty obvious that you didn't. There is no basis in it for your insults.

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"rent is expensive"

Apparently it is. Hence why students at all the other campuses support the SC TAs getting paid more than them. But I'm sure you and Airdvr will find a way to belittle those who want 'more free stuff' for other people.

Edited March 2, 2020 by jakee

[airdvr 210]

Let me belittle them a bit more.  They rolled the dice and lost.  All of a sudden the light comes on that says "I don't have this source of income anymore but I still want to live here.  And since it's California the natural reaction is.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I want more free stuff

[jakee 1,489]

9 hours ago, airdvr said:

Let me belittle them a bit more. 

Why? How does their labour dispute affect you? Why do you care so mch about them?

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All of a sudden the light comes on that says "I don't have this source of income anymore but I still want to live here.  And since it's California the natural reaction is.....I want more free stuff

Basis for that statement being?

[airdvr 210]

I enjoy pointing out how she has no grip on reality and wants everyone to feel sorry for her.

As a teaching assistant, she doesn’t pay tuition, and Arjona said there’s no way she can pay thousands of dollars of tuition out of pocket, so she may have to withdraw or take a leave of absence from the school.

“I’m struggling for basic needs such as toilet paper, buying my son milk,” said Arjona, who pays about $1,700 a month in rent out of the $2,200 she receives after taxes. “If there’s an emergency, I have truly nothing to fall back on.”

She had known losing her job was a possibility but wanted to keep pushing on with the strike. “I should not have to live this way,” Arjona said.

Here are some pictures of student housing

She's right. no one should have to live like this.

[jakee 1,489]

18 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I enjoy pointing out how she has no grip on reality

What makes you think she has no grip on reality?

 

You said she needs to face up to the fact that she might have to leave the University and/or SC. You just quoted her saying she might have to do that. Brent said none of them would have gone on strike if they really thought they'd be fired. You just quoted her saying she knew she might be fired when she went on strike. Everything you two say they need to know about the real world, they appear to know. 

 

So what exactly is this twisted thrill you're getting out of kicking her when she's down?

 

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Here are some pictures of student housing

She's right. no one should have to live like this.

A) Those are only available through a lottery for a very few Grad students. What do you have to say to the other student quoted who lives in a cabin far off campus?

 

B ) Yep, I'm sure a shiny kitchen is a great comfort when you can't put food in it.

 

(And yes, I don't notice you had nothing to support that extra dig about them wanting more free stuff because they're in California.)

Edited March 3, 2020 by jakee

[airdvr 210]

You're right.  I feel bad for her.

[turtlespeed 220]

10 hours ago, airdvr said:

You're right.  I feel bad for her.

I feel bad for her, in about the same way that you might feel bad for that skydiver that knows he's not insured, but still gets hurt, and wants a fundraiser.

You knew what you were doing.  You signed up for this.  Why should someone else have to pony up for your expenses?

Speaking of which.  Who here is directly donating money to her?  Are any of the ones arguing for their position giving to her, and all her fellow Strikers?