While we were beefing about trump

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Just now, kallend said:

You seem to have a problem with reading comprehension.  Nowhere in that article is it suggested that Obama claimed to have killed bin Laden.

Nope.  You are wrong.  I comprehend very well.

I agree that Obama took credit for authorizing the operation - nowhere can I find where the current POTUS said he killed al-Baghdadi, as was claimed earlier in this thread.

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19 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

I comprehend very well.I agree that Obama took credit for authorizing the operation . . .

You're like a French tank - one forward speed and six reverse.

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4 minutes ago, billvon said:

You're like a French tank - one forward speed and six reverse.

That's racist!

Please show me where Trump said he killed al-Baghdadi, as was claimed earlier in this thread.

All he did was use his authorization as a political gain. Which is exactly what Obama did.

Obama claims it - Good . . . Trump claims same thing - Bad . . . 

Why can't you guys see that?

 

[normiss 800]

2 hours ago, jakee said:

Obama never said he killed Bin Laden. Trump definitely said he killed Baghdadi, though.

Trump bragged “We captured a man that should’ve been caught a long time ago.” “He’s done tremendous damage,” Trump continued, referring to al-Baghdadi. “But it was an amazing display of intelligence and military power and coordination and getting along with people. Lots of great things happened. So that was a big, big day and a big weekend, and we’re very happy about it.” "Last night the United States brought the world's No. 1 terrorist leader to justice. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is dead. He was the founder and leader of ISIS, the most ruthless and violent terror organization anywhere in the world. The United States has been searching for al-Baghdadi for many years. Capturing or killing him has been the top national security priority of my administration. U.S. special operations forces executed a dangerous and daring night-time raid in northwestern Syria and accomplished their mission in grand style. The U.S. personnel were incredible. I got to watch much of it."

Clearly claiming responsibility for making the elimination of him a priority in the administration. He committed suicide though, so it's hard to see how he can brag about killing him. Keep in mind that Trump wrote a "really very successful book" that he doesn't "get any credit for this but that's OK", making the claim he said "there is somebody named Osama bin Laden, you better kill him or take him out, something to that effect, he's big trouble", yet he said no such thing.

But Trump and truth do not exist on the same plane of reality, so we have to consider that.

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seriously?

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whoa

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1 click, and eleventeen posts?

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WTF???

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repeated posts???

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WTF?

[kallend 2,027]

IS there an echo in here?  in here?  in here?

[kallend 2,027]

On 4/10/2020 at 11:31 AM, markharju said:

Czech this out. I was once like most of you  - not seeing the big picture. But while we were locked in our local political bubble, China was reasserting its hegemony not just in Asia, but in the world. China's resurgent imperialism threatens everyone, and COVID-19 is a grand opportunity.

 

Given the amount of bitching that went on about Benghazi, and the hours of GOP led  congressional testimony devoted to it without actually finding any fault, I think it quite appropriate to bitch about the negligence of the Trump administration in downplaying the risks of this pandemic for MONTHS, resulting not in four American deaths, but in thousands of additional American deaths that are clearly the result of either incompetence or malice.

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9 minutes ago, kallend said:

IS there an echo in here?  in here?  in here?

You can say that again!!

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12 hours ago, kallend said:

Given the amount of bitching that went on about Benghazi, and the hours of GOP led  congressional testimony devoted to it without actually finding any fault, I think it quite appropriate to bitch about the negligence of the Trump administration in downplaying the risks of this pandemic for MONTHS, resulting not in four American deaths, but in thousands of additional American deaths that are clearly the result of either incompetence or malice.

Under normal circumstances, I would concur that although wasteful of time and money, the tit-for-tat bickering is understandable. Yet while we squabble, China continues to expand its hegemony around the world.

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5 hours ago, markharju said:

Yet while we squabble, China continues to expand its hegemony around the world.

Nature abhors a vacuum.  MAGA!

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7 hours ago, markharju said:

Under normal circumstances, I would concur that although wasteful of time and money, the tit-for-tat bickering is understandable. Yet while we squabble, China continues to expand its hegemony around the world.

Which the US would be totally counteracting right now if it wasn’t for people moaning about Trump’s response to Covid-19. Obviously. Yep. 100% a true thing.

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21 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Nope.  You are wrong.  I comprehend very well.

I agree that Obama took credit for authorizing the operation - nowhere can I find where the current POTUS said he killed al-Baghdadi, as was claimed earlier in this thread.

Hmm. I’m so sure I remember a testy remark he made to a reporter that he and no-one else got Baghdadi, but now I can’t find it anywhere. In that case I’ll retract the statement. I’d note that Trump still be-upped Obama by claiming credit for knowing Bin Laden had to be killed before anyone else did, which is about as true as his claim about knowing the pandemic is coming.

 

On your part though, you did more than say Obama claimed credit for authorising the Bin Laden hit, you said he claimed it as his own deeds. What did he say were his own deeds, specifically?

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1 hour ago, jakee said:

Hmm. I’m so sure I remember a testy remark he made to a reporter that he and no-one else got Baghdadi, but now I can’t find it anywhere. In that case I’ll retract the statement. I’d note that Trump still be-upped Obama by claiming credit for knowing Bin Laden had to be killed before anyone else did, which is about as true as his claim about knowing the pandemic is coming.

 

On your part though, you did more than say Obama claimed credit for authorising the Bin Laden hit, you said he claimed it as his own deeds. What did he say were his own deeds, specifically?

I’m on my phone - so it’s not convenient to search like I want - but it has to do with himself being the one to order the attack - I understood it as he was the only one being put out there as capable.  This is the spin that was used to promote him, and further his campaign. 

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1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

I’m on my phone - so it’s not convenient to search like I want - but it has to do with himself being the one to order the attack - I understood it as he was the only one being put out there as capable.  This is the spin that was used to promote him, and further his campaign. 

He didn't say that. (Regardless, he was President at the time. In the most literal sense he was the only one capable of doing it.)

 

What he actuially said was that he directed the CIA to make finding Bin Laden the priority, and he ordered the attack when they found him. If you're claiming he said more than that, put up or shut up. If you just want to read into it more than he said, that's on you.

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29 minutes ago, jakee said:

He didn't say that. (Regardless, he was President at the time. In the most literal sense he was the only one capable of doing it.)

 

What he actuially said was that he directed the CIA to make finding Bin Laden the priority, and he ordered the attack when they found him. If you're claiming he said more than that, put up or shut up. If you just want to read into it more than he said, that's on you.

Direct quote from his address:

""Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. ""

So, yes, he did say that . . . you may admit you were wrong now.

 

Also - this, if you want to read more - Maybe consider some other options on your thinking. (It is a departure from this thread)::

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/241573-report-obama-lied-about-bin-laden-raid

 

Edited April 14, 2020 by turtlespeed

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3 hours ago, jakee said:

I’m so sure I remember a testy remark he made to a reporter that he and no-one else got Baghdadi, but now I can’t find it anywhere. In that case I’ll retract the statement.

 I hate when that happens.  I thought it might be a conspiracy or something.

Nice to see that it's not just me.

 

. . .but then again, does it follow that there's no conspiracy here?

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21 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Direct quote from his address:

""Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. ""

So, yes, he did say that . . . you may admit you were wrong now.

 

Also - this, if you want to read more - Maybe consider some other options on your thinking. (It is a departure from this thread)::

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/241573-report-obama-lied-about-bin-laden-raid

 

Who else could have ordered the attack?

Your hill article is a review of another story, which is based on a single anonymous source. So sure, it is a data point, but not sure what you base believing that over any other stories on?

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3 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Who else could have ordered the attack?

Your hill article is a review of another story, which is based on a single anonymous source. So sure, it is a data point, but not sure what you base believing that over any other stories on?

Are you assuming that I believe it over other stories?

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11 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Are you assuming that I believe it over other stories?

Assuming that more on comments from you like this:

"Because it went well enough, he claimed it as his own deeds."

My other question remains, who else could have ordered the attack?

[turtlespeed 220]

50 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Assuming that more on comments from you like this:

"Because it went well enough, he claimed it as his own deeds."

My other question remains, who else could have ordered the attack?

You can't look at it analytically, can you?

Who else could have ordered the attack? Whomever he delegated the responsibility to.

 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

11 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

You can't look at it analytically, can you?

Who else could have ordered the attack? Whomever he delegated the responsibility to.

 

You think the president should delegate the approval of attacks on friendly foreign soil of a nation with nuclear weapons to somebody else?

I think that people with even a little bit of leadership experience can see how that is really a non-starter. That is a lot of twisting just to blame Obama for something to fit your own narrative.

[turtlespeed 220]

2 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

You think the president should delegate the approval of attacks on friendly foreign soil of a nation with nuclear weapons to somebody else?

I think that people with even a little bit of leadership experience can see how that is really a non-starter. That is a lot of twisting just to blame Obama for something to fit your own narrative.

You are trying to assign me the way you think I think.

You are projecting.  

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

You are trying to assign me the way you think I think.

You are projecting.  

You literally said:

Whomever he delegated the responsibility to.