jakee 1,534 #51 April 18, 2020 On 4/18/2020 at 3:49 PM, markharju said: If these state governments don't pay attention now, I'm sure they'll listen to reason. No they wouldn't. They'd kill you. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,059 #52 April 18, 2020 According to Amendment XIV, US citizens are also subjects. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 815 #53 April 18, 2020 I don't understand why staying home is so hard. 105 million Americans managed it on Election Day in 2016. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,765 #54 April 18, 2020 On 4/18/2020 at 6:36 PM, normiss said: I don't understand why staying home is so hard. 105 million Americans managed it on Election Day in 2016. Nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,030 #55 April 18, 2020 On 4/18/2020 at 4:09 PM, markharju said: "Confederate Flag"...nice touch. So anyone who disagrees with government fiat is a fascist/nazi/racist/bigot/homophobe/whatever. Thanks for clearing that up. Actually nowadays the federal government is the source of many of those fascists/nazis/racists/bigots/homophobes (and many other fine people.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #56 April 19, 2020 (edited) On 4/18/2020 at 8:51 PM, billvon said: Actually nowadays the federal government is the source of many of those fascists/nazis/racists/bigots/homophobes (and many other fine people.) It's ironic that the zeitgeist has gone from "Trump is literally Hitler!" to "Why isn't Trump taking over the country!?" That's how it looks from my point of view, anyway. There is a huge First-World Problem here: How do we contain this pandemic without violating civil/human rights? In a third-world dictatorship, this would be simple: "Anyone violating curfew will be shot." BTW where is the ACLU when we really need them most? Edited April 19, 2020 by Guest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,534 #57 April 19, 2020 On 4/19/2020 at 6:45 AM, markharju said: It's ironic that the zeitgeist has gone from "Trump is literally Hitler!" to "Why isn't Trump taking over the country!?" That's how it looks from my point of view, anyway. Luckily for us your point of view on this doesn't seem to have much to do with reality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,059 #58 April 19, 2020 On 4/19/2020 at 6:45 AM, markharju said: It's ironic that the zeitgeist has gone from "Trump is literally Hitler!" to "Why isn't Trump taking over the country!?" That's how it looks from my point of view, anyway. There is a huge First-World Problem here: How do we contain this pandemic without violating civil/human rights? In a third-world dictatorship, this would be simple: "Anyone violating curfew will be shot." BTW where is the ACLU when we really need them most? "Why isn't Trump providing competent, coherent leadership?" is NOT the same as "Why isn't Trump taking over the country?" 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,217 #59 April 19, 2020 On 4/19/2020 at 6:45 AM, markharju said: BTW where is the ACLU when we really need them most? They are busy trying to save the lives of those caught up in the prison system. You can donate to help them here. https://www.aclu.org/letter/aclu-letter-doj-and-bop-coronavirus-and-criminal-justice-system Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,765 #60 April 19, 2020 (edited) On 4/19/2020 at 9:32 AM, kallend said: It's ironic that the zeitgeist has gone from "Trump is literally Hitler!" to "Why isn't Trump taking over the country!?" That's how it looks from my point of view, anyway. Then you have a very warped perception of the majority opinion. Sure, there are millions of deluded simpletons who would be thrilled if the powers Trump claims were his actual powers and he could use them to stamp out the libtard hordes. But the sad truth is that those fine people are, by and large, ignoramuses who are intellectually incapable of keeping the different moving parts of complex problems in workable order in their minds. As I see it, it isn't that they want winning so much as they want who they despise to see what losing feels like. It's those worthies who seem desirous of authoritarianism even though they can not understand what that really means. The majority simply want fair, intelligent, checked and balanced leadership from the executive. The exact opposite of what we were gifted with when the system went to hell in a hand basket and elected Donald J. Trump as our President. Edited April 19, 2020 by JoeWeber I'm a doof. I was responding to Mark, not John, but I'm too dumb to do the quote thing apparently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #61 April 19, 2020 On 4/19/2020 at 12:22 PM, gowlerk said: They are busy trying to save the lives of those caught up in the prison system. You can donate to help them here. https://www.aclu.org/letter/aclu-letter-doj-and-bop-coronavirus-and-criminal-justice-system Caught up? You make it sound like they were just swimming along peacefully. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #62 April 19, 2020 On 4/19/2020 at 2:16 PM, JoeWeber said: As I see it, it isn't that they want winning so much as they want who they despise to see what losing feels like. It's those worthies who seem desirous of authoritarianism even though they can not understand what that really means. I think that is a very astute observation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,030 #63 April 19, 2020 On 4/19/2020 at 6:45 AM, markharju said: It's ironic that the zeitgeist has gone from "Trump is literally Hitler!" to "Why isn't Trump taking over the country!?" You win the strawman argument of the day award! Up next -"the left claims that the right literally drinks the blood of children. Well, they DON'T!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,479 #64 April 19, 2020 On 4/19/2020 at 10:40 PM, billvon said: You win the strawman argument of the day award! Up next -"the left claims that the right literally drinks the blood of children. Well, they DON'T!" Well there goes my ability to scare the neighbors!!! Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #65 April 19, 2020 (edited) On 4/19/2020 at 10:52 PM, wmw999 said: Well there goes my ability to scare the neighbors!!! Wendy P. Wendy - why is Bill defending the right now? That’s scary. Edited April 19, 2020 by turtlespeed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #66 April 19, 2020 On 4/18/2020 at 4:07 PM, markharju said: As for your calling BS: C-16 (compelled speech). I rest my case. C-16 doesn't compel speech. Lie number 3 to keep your argument alive. I don't think you have a single clue what you are talking about beyond right wing talking points sprinkled with some standard military talking points. Same mindless drivel you get on Fox News. Let me guess, you think all those "liberate x state" protests just organically started too right? They are just all of a sudden random citizens standing up? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,385 #67 April 20, 2020 On 4/19/2020 at 11:50 PM, SkyDekker said: I don't think you have a single clue what you are talking about beyond right wing talking points sprinkled with some standard military talking points. Same mindless drivel you get on Fox News. Hi Sky, By golly, I think that you're onto something here. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,765 #68 April 20, 2020 On 4/20/2020 at 12:16 AM, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Sky, By golly, I think that you're onto something here. Jerry Baumchen Turtle-dee Turtle-dum is Turtle-some on his best day. Who the fuck is paying him to be obtuse and annoying, RushMc? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #69 April 20, 2020 On 4/20/2020 at 12:26 AM, JoeWeber said: Turtle-dee Turtle-dum is Turtle-some on his best day. Who the fuck is paying him to be obtuse and annoying, RushMc? Why do you think any of these responses and replies pertain to me? Obsessed much? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites