MarSD6 0 #1 Posted October 10, 2020 Thoughts on a new jumper who has been spoken to previously continues to do XRW Mr. Bill jumps at another DZ? Jumper has maybe 60-70 jumps at most. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #2 October 11, 2020 What do you mean 'XRW Mr Bill'? My understanding of XRW is flying a high performance canopy in formation (or linked) with a wingsuit. A Mr Bill is when two jumpers go out linked, and one (Sluggo) pulls right out the door. The 2nd (Mr Bill) then hangs on and eventually falls from the guy flying the canopy (supposed to scream 'Ohhhhh Noooooooooooo' as he falls away). Presuming they are using a canopy big enough that it doesn't get super fast, and grips taken aren't in bad places, and they don't take a delay out the door... It's 'safeish'. Good way to break a finger or two, scuff the hell out of your hands, maybe a few other things. But it probably won't kill them. He should probably have more jumps than that, but if he's been talked to and is still doing it (and the DZ he's doing it at knows and is ok with it)... He won't stop. He may learn. He may learn the hard way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,198 #3 October 11, 2020 On 10/10/2020 at 3:01 AM, MarSD6 said: Thoughts on a new jumper who has been spoken to previously continues to do XRW Mr. Bill jumps at another DZ? Jumper has maybe 60-70 jumps at most. My thoughts are simple. It takes two participants to do either of those jumps. One of them is experienced and should know better. That is the jumper who needs to be smartened up. I am guessing that the "new jumper" is a cute young woman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #4 October 12, 2020 On 10/10/2020 at 10:01 AM, MarSD6 said: Thoughts on a new jumper who has been spoken to previously continues to do XRW Mr. Bill jumps at another DZ? Jumper has maybe 60-70 jumps at most. Can you please define what XRW Mr Bill is ? Can't really visualise what you mean. Is that your definition of a wingsuit rodeo ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarSD6 0 #5 October 12, 2020 3 hours ago, piisfish said: Can you please define what XRW Mr Bill is ? Can't really visualise what you mean. Is that your definition of a wingsuit rodeo ? Sorry everyone for the confusion, should've restated what I meant. I'm expressing my concern for this new jumper because she shouldn't be doing this type of jump... instructors have talked to her but she doesn't seem to get it. Two ultra high performance canopies are doing a 2-way stack, and this new jumper is doing a Mr. Bill, with multiple wingsuiters flying around. In one instance they dropped her to land on top of one of the wingsuiters. Wanted to see how to approach something like this with the jumper but after talking to an S&TA, there's only so much one can do when it's at another DZ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #6 October 12, 2020 Definitely XRW Mr Bill, thanks for the clarification. she has no business in this kind of jump indeed (in my opinion), but some guys are trying to get into her panties. Anything you will say to prevent this will make you sound jealous, either of her, of them or both. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #7 October 13, 2020 Oh my. That's... Really fucking stupid. Given the skills it takes to actually pull of XRW, for those guys to be taking a new jumper on one in this way is really stupid. I can get the idea that she doesn't know any better (doesn't know what she doesn't know), but they certainly should. I'll guess they're trying to justify it by saying crap like 'we know what we're doing', and 'we are making sure she's not doing anything she's not capable of'. But, yeah, they're just trying to get laid. And, as the S&T A you talked to pointed out, there's not much you can do if the DZO where they are doing it is not stopping it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dudeman17 340 #8 October 13, 2020 22 hours ago, piisfish said: ...but some guys are trying to get into her panties... They're into necrophilia? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenzdik96 26 #9 October 21, 2020 While both of these (wingsuit rodeo, and Mr Bill) shouldn't really be attempted by someone with low jump numbers, both are essentially an exercise in holding on for one of the participants, so I wouldn't say that either of those are super dangerous, providing that the other participant (canopy/wingsuit pilot) is sufficiently skilled and has sufficiently briefed the less skilled person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakebaustin 11 #10 October 22, 2020 For those who don't know what xrw Mr. Bill is https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3633137606750030&id=100001614788582 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #11 October 22, 2020 "Content Not Found" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paraSD 0 #13 January 19, 2021 I've heard this jumper now has basically her A license in mr.bill XRW flights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMAC615 209 #14 January 19, 2021 (edited) Meh, I don’t see anything in the SIM against a B License jumper doing a Mr. Bill and then using said B License jumper as a paper weight or dropping them off on the back of a wingsuit. It seems as safe as a regular Mr. Bill and safer than doing CRW with a B-License holder - which is typically seen as perfectly acceptable. Have to admit, that video is pretty bad ass. Edited January 19, 2021 by BMAC615 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base615 77 #15 January 29, 2021 (edited) Looks like great fun. As far as I can tell, the Mr Bill passenger needs next to no skills so I can’t see any more issues with a B license jumper doing it vs. someone more experienced, but then I did once freefall a 121ft bridge in Wales so I wouldn’t take my judgement and run with it :) Edited January 29, 2021 by base615 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
