Who will win the 2020 election?

[kallend 2,027]

Documents prepared as part of the Dane County, Wisconsin, recount showed that the Trump campaign’s own lead attorney in Wisconsin, James Troupis, had voted both early and in person. He essentially argued that his own vote was illegal and should not be counted. Troupis did not respond to requests for comment.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

The Trump campaign paid $3 million for the partial recount in WI (Dane & Milwaukee counties, where Madison & Milwaukee are).

It resulted in a change of 132 total votes in Milwaukee County (out of 460k total votes, an error of 0.0287%)...
In Biden's favor.

So Trump paid approximately $22,700 for each vote added to Biden's total. 

Dane County has yet to report it's results.

[feuergnom 28]

and with this, I think we can put the thread to a rest

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

8 hours ago, feuergnom said:

and with this, I think we can put the thread to a rest

Hi feuergnom,

Well, hold on; he will win it again on Dec 14th.  And, then of course there is Jan 20th.

Lots of winning ahead for Joe Biden.  Not so much for Trump.

Jerry Baumchen

[ryoder 1,590]

[Phil1111 1,149]

1 hour ago, ryoder said:

and along that same line of thought. The Lincoln Project's latest.

[kallend 2,027]

Trump's own lapdog now admits that Biden won.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/barr-no-evidence-election-fraud/2020/12/01/5f4dcaa8-340a-11eb-8d38-6aea1adb3839_story.html

Barr says he hasn’t seen fraud that could affect the election outcome

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

Hi folks,

I am sure Trump will say, once again, 'I am not responsible.'

'state of Georgia election official has said President Donald Trump will bear responsibility for any violence that results from unsubstantiated election fraud claims he has stoked.'

Georgia official: Trump inciting election violence - BBC News

What a great leader he has been; NOT.

Jerry Baumchen

[kallend 2,027]

So Lou Dobbs now thinks that AG Barr is part of the deep state.

 "[Barr] appeared to join in with the radical Dems and the deep-state and the resistance."

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Well, Sidney Powell has certainly "Released the Kraken" in another lawsuit.

Apparently she claims that Biden received more than 100% of the vote in Edison County MI.

Which is impossible for two reasons:

1- He can't get more votes than were counted. 

2- There ISN'T an "Edison County" in Michigan.

https://www.salon.com/2020/11/30/sidney-powells-new-lawsuit-claiming-election-fraud-cites-a-witness-from-a-place-that-doesnt-exist_partner/?fbclid=IwAR2jVHvTzQMGDv390ugM6OvLWi4LRV3XQw-jrKPibqdlkJNhh2aKkpaIT9Q

So the "Kraken" is her level of stupidity?

That seems to be pretty large.

[tonyhays 86]

1 hour ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Well, Sidney Powell has certainly "Released the Kraken" in another lawsuit.

Apparently she claims that Biden received more than 100% of the vote in Edison County MI.

Which is impossible for two reasons:

1- He can't get more votes than were counted. 

2- There ISN'T an "Edison County" in Michigan.

https://www.salon.com/2020/11/30/sidney-powells-new-lawsuit-claiming-election-fraud-cites-a-witness-from-a-place-that-doesnt-exist_partner/?fbclid=IwAR2jVHvTzQMGDv390ugM6OvLWi4LRV3XQw-jrKPibqdlkJNhh2aKkpaIT9Q

So the "Kraken" is her level of stupidity?

That seems to be pretty large.

"It's going to be biblical"

She wasn't wrong.  It's completely lacking evidence.

[yoink 321]

She's also misspelled 'District' TWICE (in two different ways) in the title on the first page of her Georgia complaint, along with stating that the state's certification of its Dominion equipment is "undated" while providing an obviously cropped version of the document as evidence.

Just another inept, unprofessional and amoral lawyer associated with the Trump campaign.

[jakee 1,489]

Just shows how panicked the Deep State are at what she's finding out. Imagine the effort it took to hide all evidence of Edison County so quickly!

 

Seriously though, this is odd. At one point she was if not a prodigy, at least an exceptional student and highly successful lawyer. WaPo did an article on her where multiple former friends and colleagues were quoted as saying very similar things along the lines of "I don't recognise any part of this woman as the person I used to know." Apparently she had a major disappointment in a case against an AGs department 10 or 15 years ago, I wouldn't be surprised if she had either a mental breakdown or serious drug problem as a result to have sunk so low.

Edited December 2, 2020 by jakee

[kallend 2,027]

The claims get better and better:

https://www.newsweek.com/roger-stone-says-north-korean-boats-delivered-ballots-through-maine-harbor-trump-boosts-fraud-1551937

Roger Stone Says North Korean Boats Delivered Ballots Through Maine Harbor As Trump Boosts Fraud Claims.

 

I expect Mr. Kim personally captained the lead boat.

[jakee 1,489]

Lol, brilliant.

"I just learned of absolute incontrovertible evidence of North Korean boats delivering ballots through a harbor in Maine, the state of Maine," Stone said. "If this checks out, if law enforcement looked into that and it turned out to be true, it would be proof of foreign involvement in the election."

 

Christmas gift ideas for Roger Stone:

1: A flaming bag of poo.

2: A dictionary with the meaning of the word “incontrovertible” underlined.

3: Another flaming bag of poo.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Haven't seen it here, so here goes.

Michael Flynn, who pled guilty to lying to the FBI about meeting illegally with Russian diplomats and was pardoned by Trump has made an interesting statement.

He wants Trump to suspend the Constitution, silence the media, declare "Martial Law" and have the military oversee a national revote.

Really. That meets the definition of 'Sedition'. 

Of course, the military has shown quite clearly that their loyalty is to the country. And they take the oath to 'Uphold the Constitution" is something they take seriously.

On a somewhat similar note, WI Senator Ron Johnson, a staunch Trump stooge, has admitted privately that he knows full well Biden won, but is refusing to admit it publicly because the Trumpettes are refusing to and he doesn't want to alienate them.
 

https://thebulwark.com/my-call-with-ron-johnson-he-knows-biden-won-but-wont-admit-it/?fbclid=IwAR2x-e71jj0xNK6egtCeUrG8wJtln08oMBrtq3RKgoZHTPQLuBJkkkvlzjs

 

The article is written by the former Republican party chair for Brown County (where Green Bay is located). 
In the article, he talks about how they discussed the R opposition to Trump:
 

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We spoke of organizations such as the Lincoln Project and Republican Voters Against Trump. Johnson said that he loathed these organizations because “they are money-grubbing pieces of shit.”

Funny how Johnson thinks that of the Lincoln project, yet is silent on the blatant con of Trumps 'election defense fund'. 

[gowlerk 2,192]

Today's headline Trump story is his threat to run again in 2024. The most crazy part of that is the R party is in such a mess that he probably could get the nomination. Even though with all the advantages of incumbency the was rejected by the deep electorate in favour of Sleepy Joe. The other party leaders must be going out of their minds. 

[feuergnom 28]

I know that this forum act as a big filter to all the political madness in the u.s. Nonetheless I am at a complete loss of understanding the motifs that are driving the gop or their voters.... 

But maybe there is nothing to understand

[olofscience 480]

2 hours ago, feuergnom said:

Nonetheless I am at a complete loss of understanding the motifs that are driving the gop or their voters.... 

Read the book called "The Psychology of Persuasion" by Robert Cialdini. It provides scientific explanations to the phenomenon (after all, cults are not new) in a very accessible and fun to read book.

[billvon 2,991]

3 hours ago, feuergnom said:

I know that this forum act as a big filter to all the political madness in the u.s.

I think one thing that is happening is that the Trump extremists are becoming smaller in number as the more sane republicans start peeling away, and they are also becoming more invisible on social media because they are flocking to Parler and similar Trump-centric forums.  That can lead one to think that the madness is going away - but it's really just going somewhere else.

And maybe that's how this ends.  That small number become smaller and smaller (and more and more extreme) and end up like the DB Cooper/anti-vaxxer/flat Earther groups.  And they become more insular at the same time, until they are more a curiosity for reporters than anything affecting American politics.

[ryoder 1,590]

3 minutes ago, billvon said:

I think one thing that is happening is that the Trump extremists are becoming smaller in number as the more sane republicans start peeling away, and they are also becoming more invisible on social media because they are flocking to Parler and similar Trump-centric forums.  That can lead one to think that the madness is going away - but it's really just going somewhere else.

And maybe that's how this ends.  That small number become smaller and smaller (and more and more extreme) and end up like the DB Cooper/anti-vaxxer/flat Earther groups.  And they become more insular at the same time, until they are more a curiosity for reporters than anything affecting American politics.

So many idiots; So few comets. 

This new HBO docu-series could be relevant:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/heavens-gate-the-cult-of-cults-tv-review

[JoeWeber 2,720]

3 hours ago, billvon said:

and they are also becoming more invisible on social media because they are flocking to Parler and similar Trump-centric forums

Where have all the Trumpies gone, long time passing
Where have all the Trumpies gone, long time ago
Where have all the Trumpies gone?
Trump has scammed them them, everyone.
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will they ever learn?

[RonD1120 62]

Public information phase ongoing now.

Justice phase coming.

AG Barr story regarding no election fraud is a made up story by the AP. No source links available.

Amendment XII of the U.S. Constitution does not require that electors be chosen by popular vote. They are chosen by state legislators.

Make your calendars for 8 & 12 Dec, important dates.

If the Electoral College fails to choose the president and vice president the election then goes to the House of Representative, one state, one vote. The GOP own the states. The Senate would determine the vice president. The GOP holds the majority there as well.

There are other strategic scenarios that could come into play.

Seventy-four million or more American Patriots are angry and not giving up the fight.

Remember the U.S. Constitution is the bottom line authority.

[gowlerk 2,192]

9 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

 

Seventy-four million or more American Patriots are angry and not giving up the fight.

 

Are those 74 million angry Americans willing to stand up and shoot to kill the 80 million of their brothers and sisters who would also be angry?

Edited December 4, 2020 by gowlerk

[billvon 2,991]

26 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

Public information phase ongoing now.

Justice phase coming.

AG Barr story regarding no election fraud is a made up story by the AP. No source links available.

And yet Trump is attacking Barr for saying that.  Strange.

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Seventy-four million or more American Patriots are angry and not giving up the fight.

Eighty one million American patriots fixed the current problem in the White House via democratic means.  They will not stand idly by and let Trump steal the election.  Which is why every single court case Trump has launched to try to steal the election has failed.  Which is why Barr stated there was no fraud.  Which is why even FOX News has called the election for Biden.

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Remember the U.S. Constitution is the bottom line authority.

You are absolutely right.  Trump thinks it is phony; notice we are giving him the boot.