President Biden, critics corner

[billvon 2,991]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

Errm, literally any amount of time can be counted in weeks. He had them for a lot of weeks. Only a few weeks short of multiple years, in fact. In a clubhouse open to the public. 

With bars and parties where drunk people wander the club.  A place frequented by Jeffery Epstein.  A club where Ghislaine Maxwell recruited underage women as sex workers.  

Yep, super secure.

[GeorgiaDon 362]

3 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Joe steals classified documents, gives them to Hunter who sells them to the highest bidder and gives Joe his cut.  The reason the documents were discovered in the first place was because of the Hunter Biden investigation.

I believe this is a flat out lie.  The documents were discovered by Biden's staff and were then voluntarily reported to the national archives and the FBI. 

Also, the secret service detail is assigned to guard Trump.  They do not guard his properties (e.g.. they are not security for his clubhouse), and they certainly cannot be expected to provide security for documents they do not know are present, and that they would have no reason to expect to be illegally on the property.

[lippy 918]

42 minutes ago, billvon said:

A place frequented by Jeffery Epstein. 

To be fair, not recently....

[billvon 2,991]

31 minutes ago, GeorgiaDon said:

I believe this is a flat out lie. 

Of course it is.  Remember, his stated purpose here is to make you mad.

[billvon 2,991]

Just now, lippy said:

To be fair, not recently....

Definitely not recently!

 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, GeorgiaDon said:

Also, the secret service detail is assigned to guard Trump.  They do not guard his properties (e.g.. they are not security for his clubhouse), and they certainly cannot be expected to provide security for documents they do not know are present, and that they would have no reason to expect to be illegally on the property.

Correct. Even while he was President they didn't keep track of who was in the club and had access to him or his files for that matter.

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/06/556229723/secret-service-says-no-system-for-keeping-track-of-mar-a-lago-visitors

Edited February 1, 2023 by SkyDekker

[brenthutch 444]

4 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

they were found by people without a security clearance?

Like Biden’s lawyers?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 minute ago, brenthutch said:

Like Biden’s lawyers?

At least we know who they are. Trump is refusing to disclose who actually found the confidential documents in his self storage unit.

So if accessibility to documents by other people is the driving factor, both are "at risk" Would appear Pence less so.

Realistically, the documents found in Trump's Self Storage unit are likely not going to be an issue for him, since it would be impossible to prove intent. I think Pence and from what I can see so far Biden are going to be in the same boat.

Will be a lot harder for Trump to argue he never intended to have those documents.

NARA has now sent a letter to all living former president's and vice-presidents to check if they inadvertently have information lying around too. All except Carter that is.

[brenthutch 444]

In a carefully worded statement, one of Biden’s attorneys said “no documents labeled classified” were found at Joe’s beach house.  OTOH, notebooks with transcribed classified information were recovered. Can’t wait until the go through the trove of documents stored at U of D.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

OTOH, notebooks with transcribed classified information were recovered.

I find it exceedingly unlikely that determination was already made.

Though even without references to classified information they may belong to NARA under the PRA.

[brenthutch 444]

Just now, SkyDekker said:

At least we know who they are. Trump is refusing to disclose who actually found the confidential documents in his self storage unit.

So if accessibility to documents by other people is the driving factor, both are "at risk" Would appear Pence less so.

Realistically, the documents found in Trump's Self Storage unit are likely not going to be an issue for him, since it would be impossible to prove intent. I think Pence and from what I can see so far Biden are going to be in the same boat.

Will be a lot harder for Trump to argue he never intended to have those documents.

NARA has now sent a letter to all living former president's and vice-presidents to check if they inadvertently have information lying around too. All except Carter that is.

If your argument is that Trump is more of a degenerate criminal than Biden, I think we can agree. But it is a close call.  You guys still can’t get over Trump, Biden is the President now, let’s be done with the whataboutism and focus on the topic of this thread.  There are dozens of “Trump Sucks!” Threads, vent your hatred on those. 

[brenthutch 444]

6 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

I find it exceedingly unlikely that determination was already made.

Though even without references to classified information they may belong to NARA under the PRA.

Not if they are from his time in the Senate 

[RonD1120 62]

Was there a State of the Union address this year? I couldn't find a reference. Any thoughts?

This AM, 2 Feb, his approval rating is 73% DISAPPROVAL

[SkyDekker 1,465]

16 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

Was there a State of the Union address this year?

Not so far.

16 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

I couldn't find a reference.

Weird considering the GOP announced today who is going to respond.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arkansas-gov-sarah-sanders-deliver-gop-response-bidens-state-union-address

17 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

Any thoughts?

It is on Tuesday.

[billvon 2,991]

13 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

Was there a State of the Union address this year? I couldn't find a reference. Any thoughts?

This AM, 2 Feb, his approval rating is 73% DISAPPROVAL

Biden average approval ratings as of this morning:

Approve 41.9%
Disapprove 52.9%

Trump approval rating at the same point in his presidency:

Approve 37%
Disapprove 59%

Trump average approval ratings as of this morning:

Approve 39.3%
Disapprove 55.2%

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

[billvon 2,991]

1 minute ago, SkyDekker said:

Weird considering the GOP announced today who is going to respond.

They probably don't cover Biden's SOTU addresses on FOX News.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 minutes ago, billvon said:

They probably don't cover Biden's SOTU addresses on FOX News.

I want to know what the betting odds are for McCarthy tearing up the paper at the end.

[jakee 1,490]

37 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

Was there a State of the Union address this year? I couldn't find a reference.

Where did you look?

[brenthutch 444]

41 minutes ago, billvon said:

Biden average approval ratings as of this morning:

Approve 41.9%
Disapprove 52.9%

Trump approval rating at the same point in his presidency:

Approve 37%
Disapprove 59%

Trump average approval ratings as of this morning:

Approve 39.3%
Disapprove 55.2%

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

Another case of Trump derangement syndrome 

[brenthutch 444]

38 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

I want to know what the betting odds are for McCarthy tearing up the paper at the end.

Rs are too classy to pull a stunt like that, but if they did you can rest assured the MSM (and many on this forum) would go apoplectic.

[jakee 1,490]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Another case of Trump derangement syndrome 

I wonder what it’s like to be so devoted to discussing politics, yet so out of touch with it you’re unaware that Trump is officially running for President?

[JoeWeber 2,720]

On 2/1/2023 at 3:58 PM, brenthutch said:

Trump had the documents for weeks, in a house protected by the secret service. Biden had them for years scattered across at least three locations including in his garage, unsecured!

 

 

Certainly, that's just what you'd expect if they were being used to commit high treason; stuff some in the glove box, a few under the kitty litter pan, others just scattered about. You're one sharp cookie, I must say. I hope you get the credit you deserve.

[brenthutch 444]

16 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Certainly, that's just what you'd expect if they were being used to commit high treason; stuff some in the glove box, a few under the kitty litter pan, others just scattered about. You're one sharp cookie, I must say. I hope you get the credit you deserve.

Joe: Hey Hunter, I am going to leave these top secret documents containing sensitive information about China and Ukraine in the garage next to the Vette.  What ever you do don’t look at them and leverage the information to enrich yourself…..but if you, do don’t forget my 10% cut.

Hunter: But Pops, won’t it look suspicious if I just cut you a check?

Joe: Good call Kiddo! What’s your plan?

Hunter: You could just charge me $50,000 a month to sleep in my old bedroom, you would get your cut in no time and no one will know!

Joe: Fantastic idea Bub, that’s why I say you are the smartest person I know!

Hunter: Thanks Big Guy

 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

Joe: Hey Hunter, I am going to leave these top secret documents containing sensitive information about China and Ukraine in the garage next to the Vette.  What ever you do don’t look at them and leverage the information to enrich yourself…..but if you, do don’t forget my 10% cut.

Hunter: But Pops, won’t it look suspicious if I just cut you a check?

Joe: Good call Kiddo! What’s your plan?

Hunter: You could just charge me $50,000 a month to sleep in my old bedroom, you would get your cut in no time and no one will know!

Joe: Fantastic idea Bub, that’s why I say you are the smartest person I know!

Hunter: Thanks Big Guy

 

Isn't it great when you can just make shit up?

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/jan/19/facebook-posts/hunter-biden-paid-50000-rent-office-space-dc-not-h/

[brenthutch 444]

32 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Isn't it great when you can just make shit up?

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/jan/19/facebook-posts/hunter-biden-paid-50000-rent-office-space-dc-not-h/

Ok so Joe got his cut by other means. Good catch.