President Biden, critics corner

[jakee 1,558]

27 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Are YOU the judge? Where is your proof? Please link///// Where is your proof???? But isn't this about the Bidens taking MONEY from our enemies?

I fail to see how your post about responsible parents and sex education has anything to do with Biden.

Ive also never seen a single allegation, even from the fringe right, that Biden took money from our enemies.

[BIGUN 1,399]

8 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

For me life is the defining thing about not just the existence of our own transitory species but the entirety of the, as thus far determined, uniqueness of planet earth. Until proven otherwise we are it.

Do you have Alan Pratt on speed dial or did you just re-read his book? 

[JoeWeber 2,810]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

Do you have Alan Pratt on speed dial or did you just re-read his book? 

Nope. Had to google him. Dude has a shorter wiki page than I do. If he's into self help books that's not for me: I don't like to read them, I like to create the need. 

[Phil1111 1,149]

2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Do you have Alan Pratt on speed dial or did you just re-read his book? 

Isn't he the guy who suggested Dos Equis create the The Most Interesting Man in the World advertising campaign? Didn't the marketing firm Euro RSCG get a hold of Joe to be the star of the advertising and Joe turned them down because he was too busy?

AFAIK Joe told them he liked rum not beer. That if his customers wasted money on imported beer they'd have less cash for jumps.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

7 hours ago, jakee said:

And irresponsible parents ALL fail to tell their children about it.

 

7 hours ago, Slim King said:

Are YOU the judge? Where is your proof? Please link///// Where is your proof???? But isn't this about the Bidens taking MONEY from our enemies?

Well, Bobo is pretty good proof that failure to properly educated kids on sex and reproduction has consequences.
She's going to be a grandmother at 36.

And since you are so adamant about 'proof', where's the proof that Biden took any money?

Where is there even a valid story about it (RT and Fox don't count)?

[BIGUN 1,399]

4 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

If he's into self help books that's not for me: I don't like to read them, I like to create the need. 

So, I'm guessing you won't narrate the YouTube video then? 

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

7 hours ago, Slim King said:

Are YOU the judge? Where is your proof? Please link///// Where is your proof???? But isn't this about the Bidens taking MONEY from our enemies?

Well, I came across the basis for the accusation of Biden taking a bribe.

 

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Trump’s supporters spent the week trying to gin up outrage over a document they claimed shows that President Biden had taken a bribe as vice president. The document in question appears to be an unverified report that came to the Department of Justice through Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, one that the Trump Department of Justice dropped after it determined that the allegation was not supported by facts.

Trump's own DOJ stooges decided it wasn't 'supported by facts'.

Heather Cox Richardson yesterday.
https://www.facebook.com/heathercoxrichardson

Edited June 10, 2023 by wolfriverjoe

[jakee 1,558]

10 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

And since you are so adamant about 'proof', where's the proof that Biden took any money?

Where is there even a valid story about it (RT and Fox don't count)?

The thing that shows how clueless all of these Biden bribery muppets are is that firing the Burisma prosecutor wasn’t Biden’s idea. He was the Vice President, right? Unlike Trump he didn’t get to make up policy on the hoof, and unlike Bush he didn’t have control of intelligence gathering / output. Getting the Burisma prosecutor fired was official state department policy. Not only that, it was an international policy goal shared by most NATO countries. The idea that Biden as VP was able to seed the idea and create not just a domestic state department consensus but a consensus of international allies just because he was getting a kickback and without any evidence that it was the right thing to do is just bonkers. 
 

I won’t even bother mentioning that the reason we wanted the guy fired was that he was burying the Burisma investigation (and others) because he was corrupt. We wanted someone who would investigate!

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

19 minutes ago, jakee said:

The thing that shows how clueless all of these Biden bribery muppets are is that...

They just want to have something to 'fight back' against the idea that tRump is going to prison.
They will latch onto ANYTHING that discredits Biden.

Classic 'what about-ism'. 

[billeisele 130]

What fun. Abortion then bribes being discussed. Why is no one talking about Biden wearing different color socks?   For more thread drift ...

Question: What is the law or what happens if Trump gets the nomination or is elected? Is it legal to continue to run, is the trial delayed while he is President, does he plead guilty then pardon himself, of course impeachment is possible, so many new things to consider.

I don't want the guy to run. My concern is that many, that would not have voted for him, will consider this political retribution and vote for him.

[gowlerk 2,246]

10 minutes ago, billeisele said:

My concern is that many, that would not have voted for him, will consider this political retribution and vote for him.

Is that what you are going to do?

[billeisele 130]

17 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Is that what you are going to do?

I'm wondering about what happens if...

New history being made with this.

[wmw999 2,517]

28 minutes ago, billeisele said:

I don't want the guy to run. My concern is that many, that would not have voted for him, will consider this political retribution and vote for him.

Question -- Trump is a master at pushing boundaries; social, entertainment, sexual, and legal. How far should he be allowed to push the boundaries, when his fans enjoy the fact that he's getting away with it? No matter what (remember that quote about shooting someone on Fifth Avenue)?

I'm asking you as someone who evaluates honestly, and who says he doesn't want Trump to run again. How much behavior should he be able to normalize, and what are the consequences when other people want to engage in the same behavior down the road?

Wendy P.

[gowlerk 2,246]

13 minutes ago, billeisele said:

I'm wondering about what happens if...

New history being made with this.

I would assume that if he is the R nominee you will indeed vote for him.But will he gather a supportive primary vote from you as well? I mean since he is being treated so unfairly and becoming a martyr how could you not?

[JoeWeber 2,810]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

I would assume that if he is the R nominee you will indeed vote for him.But will he gather a supportive primary vote from you as well? I mean since he is being treated so unfairly and becoming a martyr how could you not?

Except that in this very thread on June 6 Bill posted that he has never stepped into the box and pulled the R lever: "Again, no, assuming things again. Not good. I've never stepped into the box and pulled the R lever."  

When asked if that meant that he voted D in certain Presidential elections it was just crickets. 

Maybe it's because they don't have levers anymore in South Carolina voting booths or maybe it means something else but from what I've taken from his posts the thought that he didn't vote R in those elections never crossed my inquiring mind.

[jakee 1,558]

2 hours ago, billeisele said:

I don't want the guy to run. My concern is that many, that would not have voted for him, will consider this political retribution and vote for him.

The activities alleged (and apparently well supported by evidence and testimony) in the indictment are so brazen, so selfish, so clearly illegal and so obviously against the national interest that this will not be the case for any voter who is remotely paying attention. 
 

Sure, his faithful partisan media will push that line, and it’ll further galvanise those who were always going to vote Republican anyway but they’ll have a really hard time swinging the moderates the way they did with Hillary’s emails. The reality of the situation is just too clear and obvious this time

[wmw999 2,517]

He’s saying he never just pulled the straight party ticket. Which is definitely one step up. But it could be that almost always Republicans align better with his values, just as liberals generally align with mine. But I happily voted for our former governor, a Republican, just as I happily voted for Kay Bailey Hutchinson, among others over the years

Wendy P. 

[JoeWeber 2,810]

3 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

He’s saying he never just pulled the straight party ticket. Which is definitely one step up. But it could be that almost always Republicans align better with his values, just as liberals generally align with mine. But I happily voted for our former governor, a Republican, just as I happily voted for Kay Bailey Hutchinson, among others over the years

Wendy P. 

Thanks  but shouldn't we let Bill answer for himself?

[JoeWeber 2,810]

And now back to fair and balanced:

[billvon 3,063]

6 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

And now back to fair and balanced:

They are REALLY trying to get conservatives back after they booted Carlson.

Up next - "Pedophile sex offender attacks man trying to save America's veterans and children."
Smaller chyron beneath: "We mean Biden is the sex offender, not Trump."

[JoeWeber 2,810]

15 minutes ago, billvon said:

They are REALLY trying to get conservatives back after they booted Carlson.

Up next - "Pedophile sex offender attacks man trying to save America's veterans and children."
Smaller chyron beneath: "We mean Biden is the sex offender, not Trump."

But REASONABLE Republicans!

[SkyDekker 1,465]

3 hours ago, billeisele said:

Question: What is the law or what happens if Trump gets the nomination or is elected? Is it legal to continue to run, is the trial delayed while he is President, does he plead guilty then pardon himself, of course impeachment is possible, so many new things to consider.

Good questions.

If Trumps get the nomination and is elected he becomes President.

Yes it is legal to run. The trial would likely not get delayed while he is President. The DOJ policy is not to indict, but we are passed that stage. What is likely on delay are the state charges. Georgia will likely still indict, but the actual trial will be delayed until the federal trial is completed.

It is not clear if a President can pardon himself. If he does, it would in all likelihood end up in front of SCOTUS.

What I currently think is the more likely scenario is that Trump will not get the nomination, but that whomever does get the nomination will want his endorsement. His endorsement would obviously only come with a promise of a pardon. I could see a scenario where he would drop out of the nomination, but I really am not sure his ego would allow that.

[ryoder 1,590]

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

It is not clear if a President can pardon himself. If he does, it would in all likelihood end up in front of SCOTUS.

 

The whole idea of pardoning ones self is lunacy. If POTUS can pardon himself, that means he is literally a king. Commit a coup? No problem, just pardon himself, and he is absolved of the crime, AND he can be POTUS/king for life.

Best solution is to abolish the power of pardons entirely. The fact a corrupt POTUS can dangle pardons as a reward for helping him commit crime, FAR outweighs any good it can do.

[billeisele 130]

On 6/14/2023 at 9:55 AM, wmw999 said:

Question -- Trump is a master at pushing boundaries; social, entertainment, sexual, and legal. How far should he be allowed to push the boundaries, when his fans enjoy the fact that he's getting away with it? No matter what (remember that quote about shooting someone on Fifth Avenue)?

I'm asking you as someone who evaluates honestly, and who says he doesn't want Trump to run again. How much behavior should he be able to normalize, and what are the consequences when other people want to engage in the same behavior down the road?

Wendy P.

Interesting question. It seems that anyone should be able to do anything they want, regardless of how irritating, anti-social or aggravating it is, as long as it's not a violation of the law.

It would be great if the law and rules applied equally to everyone regardless of political party, race, sex, etc.

Having said that, it would also be nice if the clock could be rolled back to a time when civility was the norm. 

[billeisele 130]

On 6/14/2023 at 12:49 PM, SkyDekker said:

Good questions.

If Trumps get the nomination and is elected he becomes President.

Yes it is legal to run. The trial would likely not get delayed while he is President. The DOJ policy is not to indict, but we are passed that stage. What is likely on delay are the state charges. Georgia will likely still indict, but the actual trial will be delayed until the federal trial is completed.

It is not clear if a President can pardon himself. If he does, it would in all likelihood end up in front of SCOTUS.

What I currently think is the more likely scenario is that Trump will not get the nomination, but that whomever does get the nomination will want his endorsement. His endorsement would obviously only come with a promise of a pardon. I could see a scenario where he would drop out of the nomination, but I really am not sure his ego would allow that.

Thanks for the insights. Makes sense. No matter what happens there's plenty more drama to come.