President Biden, critics corner

[brenthutch 444]

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Biden didn't say he was tearing down the few pieces that were built, 

I think you mean the 455 miles of new and upgraded wall

[brenthutch 444]

Biden’s first one hundred days witnessed the largest increase in firearm sales of any President in history, averaging more than ten thousand guns per day, the majority of those being assault rifles and semi automatic handguns.  Not to mention enough rounds of ammunition to kill every single American several times over.

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view

Edited May 3, 2021 by brenthutch

[SkyDekker 1,465]

6 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

I think you mean the 455 miles of new and upgraded wall

With the fast majority of that being replacing existing structures. I think about 80 miles of new wall was built.

I am sure the tunnels under the old structures won't be effective against the new structures.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 minute ago, brenthutch said:

Biden’s first one hundred days witnessed the largest increase in firearm sales of any President in history, averaging more than ten thousand guns per day, the majority of those being assault rifles and semi automatic handguns.  Not to mention enough rounds of ammunition to kill every single American several times over.

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view

And the results are as predictable as always. Americans have started happily mass murdering each other again. Freedom, fuck yeah!!

[JoeWeber 2,720]

20 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Biden’s first one hundred days witnessed the largest increase in firearm sales of any President in history, averaging more than ten thousand guns per day, the majority of those being assault rifles and semi automatic handguns.  Not to mention enough rounds of ammunition to kill every single American several times over.

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view

Why is this a measurement for you? Can you not see that it speaks to the insanity and the inanity of the American gun culture you subscribe to? All it describes are dumb shits wasting their families money on useless guns and ammunition they will never use for defense. You know full well that most of those gun buyers don't have unlimited money and so something good they could have done will go undone. It's just plain stupid and you must know it.

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1 minute ago, JoeWeber said:

It's just plain stupid and you must know it.

Kind of like skydiving. It takes food from the mouths of hungry children> Think of all the larger 4x4 SUVs that money could go to instead!

[brenthutch 444]

3 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

You know full well that most of those gun buyers don't have unlimited money and so something good they could have done will go undone. It's just plain stupid and you must know it.

They had $1400 burning a hole in their pockets.  Our tax dollars at work.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

12 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

They had $1400 burning a hole in their pockets.  Our tax dollars at work.

That's right. That money could only be spent on guns or some other drug. It's a sickness and a sadness. It really isn't funny at all.

[Phil1111 1,149]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

I think you mean the 455 miles of new and upgraded wall

Why must you always be wrong? I admire your ego because any normal person who was wrong so often would normally have no self confidence at all.

Fifteen miles of new wall is all that trump built in four years in office. No Mexico never even paid for that.

[Phil1111 1,149]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

They had $1400 burning a hole in their pockets.  Our tax dollars at work.

So a trump party member could buy 1400 rounds of 5.56, or perhaps 1900 rounds of 9mm. Given current gun nut/gun rush prices.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

Why must you always be wrong? I admire your ego because any normal person who was wrong so often would normally have no self confidence at all.

Fifteen miles of new wall is all that trump built in four years in office. No Mexico never even paid for that.

He's used to not being wrong. He's used to controlling his environment. Happy Valley was probably just that for Brent. One thing about DZ's is that the cast of characters who are a daily part of the show are self vetted. People who think I'm an irredeemable asshole go somewhere else. Those who like my kind of asshole stay. So it is a self validating thing that can give you a very wrong impression of yourself if you aren't aware and cautious.

[brenthutch 444]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

Why must you always be wrong? I admire your ego because any normal person who was wrong so often would normally have no self confidence at all.

Fifteen miles of new wall is all that trump built in four years in office. No Mexico never even paid for that.

What part of new AND upgraded did you not understand?  Also construction at an accelerated past during the last three months of Trump’s administration you article is dated October 2020.

Edited May 4, 2021 by brenthutch

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1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

So a trump party member could buy 1400 rounds of 5.56, or perhaps 1900 rounds of 9mm. Given current gun nut/gun rush prices.

Or a very nice AR or three or four handguns.  BTW Dems were buying in record numbers as well.

https://www.nssf.org/articles/first-time-gun-buyers-grow-to-nearly-5-million-in-2020/

Edited May 4, 2021 by brenthutch

[JoeWeber 2,720]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

Or a very nice AR or three or four handguns.  BTW Dems were buying in record numbers as well.

https://www.nssf.org/articles/first-time-gun-buyers-grow-to-nearly-5-million-in-2020/

Is that good on planet Brent? Why stop at Dems and why stop at America. If there really is any logic in your logic or consistency in your philosophy shouldn't we want all 7.7 Billion people on Earth to have an AR-15 and a thousand rounds?

[Phil1111 1,149]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

What part of new AND upgraded did you not understand?  Also construction at an accelerated past during the last three months of Trump’s administration you article is dated October 2020.

"However, only 80 miles of new barriers have been built where there were none before - that includes 47 miles of primary wall, and 33 miles of secondary wall built to reinforce the initial barrier. " January 12, 2021

Less than 12 miles a year.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

What part of new AND upgraded did you not understand?  

Phil,

If you want to understand Brent you need to understand his technique. 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

12 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Fair question. Once you remove the carrot(s), such as no free medical care, no schooling, no welfare or Food Stamps, no job hiring, an inability to open a US bank account, rent an apartment, buy a home, etc by anyone not holding a valid National ID card (or for not-yet-citizens, Green card)...then many of the people who were considering jumping the border illegally will no longer bother. There would be no percentage in it. Most of them will start coming to the front door instead. Of course, there will be a few who won't, but they won't get very far on just charity from friends and family. (If they have any in the US anyway)

Due to the number of people already here illegally, there isn't any realistic way to round up something like 12 million people and just deport them all, so amnesty is needed. But only to the ones who aren't active or serious former criminals. This alone will drop the workload for the Immigration enforcement folks by 80% or more, leaving them more resources to root out the remainder. 

Once a series of 'No More Carrots' laws goes into place, this will force the 'good illegals' to come forward and get certified. Then you have no more problems with the vast majority of these 12 million people. Some other countries already do the No Carrots thing and have National ID's, which is why they don't need a wall. Sure, they get a few illegals, but not on the scale that the US does. 

Non answer.

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6 hours ago, brenthutch said:

What part of new AND upgraded did you not understand?  

Your meaning would be new OR upgraded.

[BIGUN 1,307]

4 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

It was a good answer. Enforcement would be done by the same people doing it now. The Immigration and Naturalization Service. Only they will have a much easier time of it, since their workload would be much less. The no-freebies stuff for illegals would be easy to enforce once Federal laws about them go into place. The only tricky part would be the no-jobs thing, but if you stiffen the penalties greatly, that would be pretty much enforceable. Employers who knew the laws were coming, and had illegals working for them, would encourage (demand) that they take the amnesty offer and GET legal. 

Interesting operations and enforcement plan. All I can say is; "Welcome to the Republican Party."

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4 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Interesting operations and enforcement plan. All I can say is; "Welcome to the Republican Party."

No offence, but it looks like the Republican party is split right now, and sadly your faction does not seem to be in the majority.

[BIGUN 1,307]

1 minute ago, olofscience said:

and sadly your faction does not seem to be in the majority.

True. There are many pulling away from the "Rush Right." But it's time for both [all] parties to start leaning more center. 

[brenthutch 444]

3 hours ago, headoverheels said:

Your meaning would be new OR upgraded.

Good catch, you are correct.

[brenthutch 444]

9 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

"However, only 80 miles of new barriers have been built where there were none before - that includes 47 miles of primary wall, and 33 miles of secondary wall built to reinforce the initial barrier. " January 12, 2021

Less than 12 miles a year.

when you replace what is on the right with what is in the left, it is not a stretch to say it is all new.

1 hour ago, olofscience said:

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1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

Good catch, you are correct.

Both wrong. The whole world has seen the images of the two Ecuadorian sisters age 3 and 5. Dropping into the US over the 'new' 14' border wall. Its nothing but propaganda for the trump base.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

9 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

It was a good answer. Enforcement would be done by the same people doing it now. The Immigration and Naturalization Service. Only they will have a much easier time of it, since their workload would be much less. The no-freebies stuff for illegals would be easy to enforce once Federal laws about them go into place. The only tricky part would be the no-jobs thing, but if you stiffen the penalties greatly, that would be pretty much enforceable. Employers who knew the laws were coming, and had illegals working for them, would encourage (demand) that they take the amnesty offer and GET legal. 

Walls don't work. Eastern European communist satellite countries tried that one. They used barbed wire fences, spotlights, machine guns, and dogs. People still got out. 

I guess my point is that I can see no path to your solution in the USA. We can't even get consensus on basic science issues much less a National ID card. You can talk all day about enforcement of this or that but until you say we'll round them up, hand cuff them and very roughly toss them over the border into another country or jail you're not explaining how the enforcement will go. Until you say we'll toss any employers who don't go along with your honor system in the calaboose, too, and fine them huge money it's just fiction.