Post trump Legal Actions, Including his Enablers

[ryoder 1,590]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

“after Trump announced a protest in D.C. to dispute his election loss, Tarrio created an elite unit within the Proud Boys he called the “Ministry of Self Defense,” with the objective of keeping Trump in power….

“Even after the attack, Biggs showed no remorse. He called Jan. 6 a “warning shot to the government,” while likening the Proud Boys to the founding fathers who were also “considered terrorists.””

I’m genuinely surprised they couldn’t cop an insanity defence with levels of self delusion like that.

The founding fathers were working to rid the country of a king.

These morons were trying to install one.

[jakee 1,489]

9 minutes ago, ryoder said:

The founding fathers were working to rid the country of a king.

These morons were trying to install one.

Ain't that the truth.

[wmw999 2,447]

1 hour ago, ryoder said:

The founding fathers were working to rid the country of a king.

These morons were trying to install one.

Yeah, but he’s their king, guaranteed to piss off and offend people they disagree with.

Wendy P. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

5 hours ago, ryoder said:

Outstanding headline composition!

RollingStone: Jan 6. Jail Time: Proud Boys Cry Over the Consequences of Their Own Actions

Hi Robert,

Looks like nothing more than crocodile tears:  In his plea for leniency to the court, Pezzola said he had given up politics, yet as he was being escorted out of the courtroom he shouted, "Trump won!"

Proud Boys member Dominic Pezzola gets 10 years in prison for Jan. 6 role : NPR

Jerry Baumchen

 

[kallend 2,027]

2 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Robert,

Looks like nothing more than crocodile tears:  In his plea for leniency to the court, Pezzola said he had given up politics, yet as he was being escorted out of the courtroom he shouted, "Trump won!"

Proud Boys member Dominic Pezzola gets 10 years in prison for Jan. 6 role : NPR

Jerry Baumchen

 

Two more members of the Proud Boys convicted in the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol were sentenced to lengthy prison terms Friday, with one of the group’s leaders that day (Nordean) receiving an 18-year sentence for seditious conspiracy, the longest term for a Proud Boys member so far and equal to the longest Jan. 6 sentence yet imposed. Another member (Pezzola) who gained national renown for smashing a window at the Capitol, enabling the first breach of the building by rioters, was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

2 hours ago, kallend said:

Two more members of the Proud Boys convicted in the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol were sentenced to lengthy prison terms Friday, with one of the group’s leaders that day (Nordean) receiving an 18-year sentence for seditious conspiracy, the longest term for a Proud Boys member so far and equal to the longest Jan. 6 sentence yet imposed. Another member (Pezzola) who gained national renown for smashing a window at the Capitol, enabling the first breach of the building by rioters, was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

Good. The neat thing is that the 14th Amendment doesn't require a conviction of insurrection to cause someone to be precluded from holding office. So to my mind prima facie evidence is more than enough. The most of these capital rioters have implicated Trump. Hell, even Pezzola after a 10 year sentence, as he was being led away, screamed Trump won. Some Secretary of State somewhere will remove Trump from the ballot and the case will fast track to the Supreme Court. Who can guess what our three literalist and six illiteralist Justices will rule but I do think there is hope for sanity.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

12 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

... Some Secretary of State somewhere will remove Trump from the ballot and the case will fast track to the Supreme Court. Who can guess what our three literalist and six illiteralist Justices will rule but I do think there is hope for sanity.

I'm going to go a bit on the 'optimistic' side and say they'd allow Trump to be removed from the ballot.

Alito & Thomas will do what their owners say, Barret might defer to the 'man in charge' as her religious beliefs dictate, but I'd think Roberts & Kavanaugh would vote for removal. 
Both are very mindful of how history will judge them.

Of course, I could be totally wrong on that.

[ryoder 1,590]

That's a shame. :-(

Proud Boys’ Enrique Tarrio gets record 22 years in prison for Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy

[Phil1111 1,149]

3 hours ago, ryoder said:

That's a shame. :-(

Proud Boys’ Enrique Tarrio gets record 22 years in prison for Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy

Yet their leader has yet to spend a day accommodated by the department of corrections. The one who ordered them to "stand down and stand by". The one who still enjoys huge support even though courts are sentencing his followers Those same courts have yet to rule that the FBI have run witch hunts to frame trump followers and trump himself.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

2 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Yet their leader has yet to spend a day accommodated by the department of corrections. The one who ordered them to "stand down and stand by". The one who still enjoys huge support even though courts are sentencing his followers Those same courts have yet to rule that the FBI have run witch hunts to frame trump followers and trump himself.

Won't be any smokes and canned cocktails where he's going. And yes, he cried and begged for mercy at his sentencing. Such a Proud Boy!

[tkhayes 348]

10 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Won't be any smokes and canned cocktails where he's going. And yes, he cried and begged for mercy at his sentencing. Such a Proud Boy!

 

hoping to find a gofundme somewhere that ensures these folks get a good assfucking in prison.... every day.  

[JoeWeber 2,720]

15 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

hoping to find a gofundme somewhere that ensures these folks get a good assfucking in prison.... every day.  

Let's hope every stupid asshat with body armor and a shit eating grin takes note of where being a moron will take you.

[normiss 800]

BOHICA Trump:

Trump is liable in the second E. Jean Carroll defamation case, judge rules; January trial will determine damages.

[billvon 2,991]

2 hours ago, normiss said:

BOHICA Trump:

Trump is liable in the second E. Jean Carroll defamation case, judge rules; January trial will determine damages.

So two findings that he lied about not raping her.

[ryoder 1,590]

3 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Let's hope every stupid asshat with body armor and a shit eating grin takes note of where being a moron will take you.

Also note that Tarrio has been an informant, and prisons are not a good place for snitches to be.

[obelixtim 150]

On 9/5/2023 at 11:11 AM, ryoder said:

That's a shame. :-(

Proud Boys’ Enrique Tarrio gets record 22 years in prison for Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy

22 years is not enough. I hope the DOJ can appeal all these sentences as being too light. All should get 25 years minimum.

[normiss 800]

1 hour ago, obelixtim said:

22 years is not enough. I hope the DOJ can appeal all these sentences as being too light. All should get 25 years minimum.

The Rosenberg's conspiracy conviction and sentencing should had created the precedent for these conspiracy cases IMO.

Saying that on Xitter will get your account locked.

[DougH 270]

1 hour ago, obelixtim said:

22 years is not enough. I hope the DOJ can appeal all these sentences as being too light. All should get 25 years minimum.

Honestly I have been seriously disappointed with all of these sentences, but I am not a lawyer, and definitely not a federal prosecutor.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim#:~:text=Whoever%2C owing allegiance to the,not less than %2410%2C000%3B and

I think anyone who entered the capital buildings during the riot should have been charged with seditious conspiracy and the prosecution should have requested the maximum penalty. 

I think the high level Oath Keepers and Proud Boy organizers should have been charged with treason, and we should have been going for the death penalty.

Article III, section 3 of the U.S. Constitution: "Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

Hi folks, 

Looks like things might be beginning to change, slowly but surely:  a tried-and-true strategy in cases with many defendants: Portray yourself as a hapless pawn while piling blame on the apparent kingpin.

Trump’s co-defendants are already starting to turn against him - POLITICO

One can only hope that more of them see the light.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

32 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks, 

Looks like things might be beginning to change, slowly but surely:  a tried-and-true strategy in cases with many defendants: Portray yourself as a hapless pawn while piling blame on the apparent kingpin.

Trump’s co-defendants are already starting to turn against him - POLITICO

One can only hope that more of them see the light.

Jerry Baumchen

 

I hope so, too, but I'll take self serving freaked out over jail time and giganzo legal bills as an acceptable alternative.

[billvon 2,991]

Uh oh.  Another former Trump supporter agrees to testify against him after he faces the spectre of being held responsible for his crimes.  From the Daily Beast:

"The Mar-a-Lago information technology worker identified as “Trump Employee 4” in the classified documents case against Donald Trump has struck a deal to cooperate with federal prosecutors, his former attorney revealed in a court filing on Tuesday. The employee, whose real name has been confirmed by multiple outlets to be Yuscil Taveras, agreed to the deal with Jack Smith’s office after the special counsel threatened to prosecute him for lying to a grand jury."

[jakee 1,489]

2 hours ago, billvon said:

The employee, whose real name has been confirmed by multiple outlets to be Yuscil Taveras, agreed to the deal with Jack Smith’s office after the special counsel threatened to prosecute him for lying to a grand jury."

Quite a soap opera, that one. Taveras (as far as we know) wasn't part of the documents conspiracy and cover up. When security camera footage was subpoenaed, Trump sent Nauta and another employee to ask him to delete footage of Nauta taking boxes out of the storage room in advance of a search. But Taveras said no. Maybe that's because he didn't want to or simply didnt have the ability, either way he hadn't actually done anything wrong until he lied to the grand jury. So why did he do it? Maybe because he was represented by the same lawyer, Woodward, as Nauta and the other employee, who's bill is being paid by Trump.

Jack Smith had raised the issue of conflicts of interest several times and Woodward just said 'I'm a conscientious guy, it's fine'. But after Taveras lied a second time to the investigators in New York, Smith asked the court there to make him sit down with an independent Public Defender to lay out the situation for him. One meeting later Taveras fires Woodward, takes the PD as his lawyer and flips on Nauta.

There's now a further conflict of interest for Woodward in that the Gov't will plan to put Taveras on the stand. As Nauta's lawyer, Woodward should plan to attack him over why he originally lied before changing his story, because it makes him look untrustworthy. He may not want to do that because he knows the answer to 'why did you lie?' will be 'because you told me to' - but if he doesn't ask the question he's not being an effective advocate for Nauta. Hilariously, Woodward suggested that the easiest way to resolve this conflict of interest would simply be for the court to exclude any and all of Taveras' testimony from trial, and hey presto problem solved. Smith's response (more or less) 'it's not the government's job to cover for your incompetence and corruption'.

As a final bonus, Smith tried to file all of this under seal in Aileen Cannon's court to avoid any suggestion of unfairly prejudicing the other defendents against their lawyers. Cannon rejected the filing and refused to read anything that wasn't filed openly. Trump's lawyers are now absolutely furious that it's all in public, but there's nothing they can do because Smith was simply following the court's orders. The clown show continues.

Edited September 7, 2023 by jakee

[ryoder 1,590]

So another Trump toady had to experience FAFO for himself.

NPR: Former Trump adviser Peter Navarro found guilty for defying Jan. 6 committee subpoena

[wmw999 2,447]

Well, again, the people who support him don’t care. Unfortunately. All we get from it is a nice dose of satisfied schadenfreude. So I’ll take it.

Wendy P. 

[tkhayes 348]

On 9/6/2023 at 12:02 PM, normiss said:

BOHICA Trump:

Trump is liable in the second E. Jean Carroll defamation case, judge rules; January trial will determine damages.

it gets better every day  The narcissistic sociopath simply cannot help himself.  I hope he actually demands to take the stand in all these trials he has coming up..... it will be spectacular.  I do not know how he even finds attorneys to back him up anymore. At some point, even lawyers have to go 'fuck no' seeing the damage it will do to their own reputations.