Post trump Legal Actions, Including his Enablers

[nigel99 475]

2 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

As I continue to say, he is his own worst enemy:  Testimony by former president Donald Trump quickly descended into bitter sniping Monday among the judge, Trump’s attorneys and a lawyer for the New York attorney general’s office

I guess that he does not understand that this is not a jury trial.

I am quite sure that the judge is not one of the 'poorly educated' that love Trump.

Trump’s testimony quickly turns to shouting match - POLITICO

Jerry Baumchen

It would be interesting to send him a revised tax bill based on being worth 100 x what it was assessed as.

[normiss 800]

16 hours ago, nigel99 said:

It would be interesting to send him a revised tax bill based on being worth 100 x what it was assessed as.

That ship sailed a long time ago. Now it's time to decide what he loses to the State.

I hope they take the Boeing.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

Hi folks,

I bet this is one ad that Trump never expected:  Central Park Five member takes out full page ad on Trump 34 years after he called for their execution (yahoo.com)

And, now that Salaam is going to be on the NYC City Council, one has to wonder on how he might vote on anything Trump has before the council.

Exonerated 'Central Park Five' member Yusef Salaam will win seat on NYC Council : NPR

How sweet it is.

Jerry Baumchen

[normiss 800]

New York Attorney General Letitia James blindsides Ivanka Trump during today’s testimony by releasing bombshell courtroom evidence that proves that Ivanka was FULLY AWARE that her father Donald Trump committed financial fraud. Attorney General James showed the judge devastating emails in which Ivanka Trump proposed lowering the required net worth for her father Donald Trump to personally back the Deutsche Bank loan that he eventually ended up receiving. According to Attorney General James, the final agreement for the Deutsche Bank loan required that Donald Trump, as the guarantor, maintain a minimum net worth of $2.5 billion — down from the initial $3 billion that the bank initially required. The email revealed by James in court today shows that Ivanka personally proposed a change to lower the net worth requirement for her father to $2 billion — a tacit admission that she KNEW that her father was over-inflating his net worth, which at the time, Donald Trump declared was $4.2 billion on the statement of financial condition that he filed when he applied for the billion dollar loan. According to Attorney General James, this fraud allowed Trump to obtain better loan rates. An expert witness for the attorney general testified earlier in the trial that Trump’s “ill-gotten gains” from the fraud totaled a whopping $168 million. Not only is this devastating for Ivanka and Donald Trump in this massive $250 civil fraud trial — it also exposes them to criminal liability, which Attorney General James has hinted she may later charge them criminally.

 

Oh. Nice. Criminally incriminating.

The movies about the traitor criminal Trump family, like everything they touch, will be shit.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

19 minutes ago, normiss said:

New York Attorney General Letitia James blindsides Ivanka Trump during today’s testimony by releasing bombshell courtroom evidence that proves that Ivanka was FULLY AWARE that her father Donald Trump committed financial fraud. Attorney General James showed the judge devastating emails in which Ivanka Trump proposed lowering the required net worth for her father Donald Trump to personally back the Deutsche Bank loan that he eventually ended up receiving. According to Attorney General James, the final agreement for the Deutsche Bank loan required that Donald Trump, as the guarantor, maintain a minimum net worth of $2.5 billion — down from the initial $3 billion that the bank initially required. The email revealed by James in court today shows that Ivanka personally proposed a change to lower the net worth requirement for her father to $2 billion — a tacit admission that she KNEW that her father was over-inflating his net worth, which at the time, Donald Trump declared was $4.2 billion on the statement of financial condition that he filed when he applied for the billion dollar loan. According to Attorney General James, this fraud allowed Trump to obtain better loan rates. An expert witness for the attorney general testified earlier in the trial that Trump’s “ill-gotten gains” from the fraud totaled a whopping $168 million. Not only is this devastating for Ivanka and Donald Trump in this massive $250 civil fraud trial — it also exposes them to criminal liability, which Attorney General James has hinted she may later charge them criminally.

 

Oh. Nice. Criminally incriminating.

The movies about the traitor criminal Trump family, like everything they touch, will be shit.

Hi Mark,

I bet that once Ivanka faces jail/prison time, she will rat out her father.

Rats want to survive just as all species do.

Jerry Baumchen

[ryoder 1,590]

34 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Mark,

I bet that once Ivanka faces jail/prison time, she will rat out her father.

Rats want to survive just as all species do.

Jerry Baumchen

But...but...but she can't go to jail!  She's taking care of her kids!

[headoverheels 333]

I don't see anything necessarily sinister about getting the net worth requirement for a loan lowered.  Seems like something you prudently ask for, and see if you get it.   No need to risk getting a loan called if the economic state plummets. 

[billvon 2,991]

6 minutes ago, headoverheels said:

I don't see anything necessarily sinister about getting the net worth requirement for a loan lowered. 

There's not.

The reason Ivanka's testimony was important was that the state is alleging Trump inflated his net worth via fraudulent means to get better loan terms, and signed documents to that effect.  Thus if he claimed that he was worth $5 billion but knew he was really worth $2 billion, that's fraud. 

A similar claim in the real world would be applying for a mortgage and falsifying your job, claiming that you made $200K a year working for Facebook when in fact you made $30K a year packing parachutes.

Ivanka suggesting that he lower his net worth claim to $2 billion is a very strong indication that both he and his family knew that he was worth about $2 billion.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

29 minutes ago, billvon said:

Ivanka suggesting that he lower his net worth claim to $2 billion is a very strong indication that both he and his family knew that he was worth about $2 billion.

That doesn't flow from the previous. His net worth minimum is likely the guarantee maximum. You generally want to minimize the value of collateral or recourse.

Valuations are not an exact science, including valuations of net worth.

[billvon 2,991]

1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

That doesn't flow from the previous. His net worth minimum is likely the guarantee maximum. You generally want to minimize the value of collateral or recourse.

Of course.

But if you secure a loan based on a valuation that you know to be false, you have committed fraud.

I recently got a loan to pay off a mortgage.  The bank wanted copies of my bank statements to prove that I had the money to use as collateral.  If I, as a 'little person,' had made up some numbers to get the loan and presented them as fact, and the bank found out, I'd be facing charges for fraud.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

11 minutes ago, billvon said:

Of course.

But if you secure a loan based on a valuation that you know to be false, you have committed fraud.

I recently got a loan to pay off a mortgage.  The bank wanted copies of my bank statements to prove that I had the money to use as collateral.  If I, as a 'little person,' had made up some numbers to get the loan and presented them as fact, and the bank found out, I'd be facing charges for fraud.

Sure, but those are straight forward.

We own a site in Vancouver that based on the current revenue stream generated from the business on the parcel is worth approx. $25 million. The value based on a residual calculation of the current allowable zoning and density puts the value near $48 million. We are 75% through a rezoning and indensification process. We are 100% sure we will achieve that, the residual calculation under those parameters gets us to a $67 million valuation. We are also trying to change one of the allowable uses to a residential use. If we are successful in attaining that, the same parcel would have a value of just shy of $100 million.

So, what is the value of the parcel of land?

[headoverheels 333]

12 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

 

So, what is the value of the parcel of land?

It depends.  Are you using it for loan collateral, or paying property taxes on it?  ;-)

 

[billvon 2,991]

18 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

We are 100% sure we will achieve that, the residual calculation under those parameters gets us to a $67 million valuation. We are also trying to change one of the allowable uses to a residential use. If we are successful in attaining that, the same parcel would have a value of just shy of $100 million.

So, what is the value of the parcel of land?

If you chose a number between $67 and $100 million for all uses, you'd have a pretty defensible number.

If you told the state it was $40 million for tax purposes, and told the bank it was $200 million because you wanted a big loan - AND you were caught - you'd be looking at a fraud case.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 hours ago, billvon said:

If you chose a number between $67 and $100 million for all uses, you'd have a pretty defensible number.

That is a 50% swing and that is using valuations based on possibilities and not what is actually in place. 

2 hours ago, billvon said:

If you told the state it was $40 million for tax purposes, and told the bank it was $200 million because you wanted a big loan - AND you were caught - you'd be looking at a fraud case.

First of all, you don't tell the state what it is worth for property taxes, they tell you what it is worth based on the methods they have to follow (in my case highest and best use under current zoning). So our valuation ranges between $48 million for property tax purposes and $67 million for reporting purposes. We also presented an as-if valuation of roughly $100 million to financial institutions. So, a 100% swing in valuations. In high land value areas I can very easily come up with scenarios where this swing is much larger and none of it would be nefarious.

Trump has already been judged to have committed fraud, so I am not defending him at all. But the idea that just because there are wildly different valuations floating around, there must have been fraud, is simply not true. Or, because he tried to reduce his collateral requirement that is proof of fraud, that is simply not true either.

[winsor 236]

6 hours ago, Slim King said:

Trump indicted before anyone on Epstiens Pedophile Island guest list ... What does that say?????? 

I thought he was on the list.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Not sure if this goes best here or in the "Ukraine" thread.

The Ukrainians that Rudy Giuliani was working with trying to dig up dirt on Hunter Biden have been...

Charged with treason.

They were working for the Russian FSB while giving Rudy 'incriminating information'.

Go figure.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67425906

[ryoder 1,590]

CO's wack-job former county clerk, still being a wack-job:

Tina Peters sues Merrick Garland, Jena Griswold seeking end to criminal investigations over election systems breach

[ryoder 1,590]

So the Orange Toddler had his legal people send a threatenting letter to the Jimmy Kimmel show.

Kimmel explains it (and shows the letter) in the first minutes of his monologue:

 

[jakee 1,489]

The two tier justice system in action yet again. 

Trump unleashes outrage at court clerk online barely an hour after gag order paused

An hour after the lifting of the gag order, one of Trump’s inner circle, senior adviser Jason Miller, took to X, the social media site formerly known as Twitter.

“There’s no way President Trump can receive a fair trial when Democrats are sending partisan attack dogs to do their dirty work,” he said. Then he linked to a website devoted to attacking Allison Greenfield, the clerk who has been assisting the judge in the case, Arthur Engoron, at the $250m civil lawsuit trial in which the fate of the former president’s New York-based family business, the Trump Organization, hangs. The site labels Greenfield a “Democrat operative and hack” and accuses her of “unethical partisan Democrat activities”. It also suggests that Engoron should be “investigated and removed from the bench”.

Not long after that, Trump himself entered the fray. On his own social media platform, Truth Social, he attacked Greenfield as a “politically biased and out of control, Trump-hating clerk”.

 

Fuck you very much, Judge Friedman. I wonder what exactly these First Amendment 'rights' are that Trump has, which do not exist for a single other criminal defendent in the entire country.

[billvon 2,991]

And Trump goes full fascist with his own Final Solution:

2024 is our final battle. With you at my side, we will demolish the Deep State, we will expel the warmongers from our government, we will drive out the globalists, we will cast out the Communists, Marxists, and Fascists, we will throw off the sick political class that hates our Country, we will rout the Fake News Media, we will evict Joe Biden from the White House, and we will FINISH THE JOB ONCE AND FOR ALL!

[ryoder 1,590]

45 minutes ago, billvon said:

And Trump goes full fascist with his own Final Solution:

2024 is our final battle. With you at my side, we will demolish the Deep State, we will expel the warmongers from our government, we will drive out the globalists, we will cast out the Communists, Marxists, and Fascists, we will throw off the sick political class that hates our Country, we will rout the Fake News Media, we will evict Joe Biden from the White House, and we will FINISH THE JOB ONCE AND FOR ALL!

He keeps using that word. I do not think it means what he thinks it means, else he would not be talking about throwing himself, (and all his toadies), out.

[ryoder 1,590]

Trump Media & Tech Corp, versus a couple dozen reputable news sites:

https://t.co/1EZvQF1Aer

[jakee 1,489]

6 hours ago, ryoder said:

He keeps using that word. I do not think it means what he thinks it means, else he would not be talking about throwing himself, (and all his toadies), out.

He’s doing the same thing he did with ‘fake news’ which is to throw the phrase around so much that it loses any meaning when it’s used against him. 

[nigel99 475]

32 minutes ago, jakee said:

He’s doing the same thing he did with ‘fake news’ which is to throw the phrase around so much that it loses any meaning when it’s used against him. 

I am intrigued by Trump. Initially he came across as stupid, but he is clearly a master manipulator and is quite possibly one of the greatest cult leaders in history.  

He has a huge following worldwide, and I don't think it's a mistake that he can flip the script. It's cunning and he is very effective. If you look at the Hare Psychopathy Checklist it would appear that Trump would score quite highly. 

[jakee 1,489]

50 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

I am intrigued by Trump. Initially he came across as stupid, but he is clearly a master manipulator and is quite possibly one of the greatest cult leaders in history.  

Yeah, it’s not a coincidence that he’s started calling everyone in opposing him fascists at the same time he’s started leaning strongly and explicitly into facist rhetoric. It’s a strategy for he gives voters several ways to ignore the criticism against him. One is ‘you’re only calling him that because he called you it first’, or ‘I can’t be bothered to find out which one of you is right so I’ll just ignore both accusations’ or even ‘so what if he is a fascist? He says you are too so I’ve got no choice but to vote for one’. 
 

It also shows that it’s not just off the cuff remarks or random chance that he’s saying stuff that happens to sound fascist - it’s a conscious, premeditated strategy to lean into the language of the 1930s.