Post trump Legal Actions, Including his Enablers

[BIGUN 1,397]

21 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

FIFY:  “shameful day for the GOP in American history”.

And:  “a very good day in American history”.

I have to disagree, Jerry. That only extends the division - It is a shameful day for all Americans - not matter what your affiliation.

[gowlerk 2,246]

3 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

I have to disagree, Jerry. That only extends the division - It is a shameful day for all Americans - not matter what your affiliation.

Yes, you disagree with Jerry. But do you disagree with Mike Johnson. Knowing that he finds the verdict shameful, not his criminal leader?

[billvon 3,059]

8 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

It is a shameful day for all Americans - not matter what your affiliation.

I don't see justice as shame.  I honestly thought he'd buy/threaten/intimidate his way out of this one.  Seeing that even a former president is being held accountable for his crimes is a good indication that America is not as corrupt as it seemed yesterday.  And that's a good thing.

[BIGUN 1,397]

1 minute ago, gowlerk said:

Knowing that he finds the verdict shameful, not his criminal leader?

I can tell you this, Ken 34 Felony convictions - if it were you and I - would we be looking at the slap on the wrist you presented? No one is above the law - AND the higher up the more you should be an example. 5 years in the pokey for each count. I rest my case. 

I've had enough of people in power not leading by example - so let's make them an example. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,424]

17 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

I can tell you this, Ken 34 Felony convictions - if it were you and I - would we be looking at the slap on the wrist you presented? No one is above the law - AND the higher up the more you should be an example. 5 years in the pokey for each count. I rest my case. 

I've had enough of people in power not leading by example - so let's make them an example. 

Hi Keith,

See how easy it is for us to agree?

Re:  'an example.'

I'm all for that.  Usually, I would not agree to someone being made an example; IMO this was wrong:  Eddie Slovik - Wikipedia

I will make an exception for Trump; the worst of the worst.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[JoeWeber 2,810]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

I can tell you this, Ken 34 Felony convictions - if it were you and I - would we be looking at the slap on the wrist you presented? No one is above the law - AND the higher up the more you should be an example. 5 years in the pokey for each count. I rest my case. 

I've had enough of people in power not leading by example - so let's make them an example. 

The case against Trump was clearly super solid if you followed it. There was not a scintilla of doubt that he committed election fraud. So instead of indulging in wishful thinking, just take a look at what your political party has become. Mike Johnson is emblematic of the self serving corruption and rot in the Republican party as are the congressional toady's who lined up dutifully to claim Biden did it and that it's a travesty of justice. Republicans all. 

Edited May 31, 2024 by JoeWeber

[JerryBaumchen 1,424]

13 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

The case against Trump was clearly super solid if you followed it. There was not a scintilla of doubt that he committed election fraud. So instead of indulging in wishful thinking, just take a look at what your political party has become. Mike Johnson is emblematic of the self serving corruption and rot in the Republican party and the congressional toady's lined up to claim Biden did it and it's a travesty of justice. Republicans all. 

Hi Joe,

Not a scintilla of decency in any of them in any leadership position.

Jerry Baumchen

[JerryBaumchen 1,424]

Hi folks,

Sounds good to me:  actor George Takei . . , “We should start referring to him as 34 instead of 45.”

Hollywood stars celebrate Trump guilty verdict in New York hush money trial: 'Tears of joy' (thehill.com)

Jerry Baumchen

[gowlerk 2,246]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

I can tell you this, Ken 34 Felony convictions - if it were you and I - would we be looking at the slap on the wrist you presented? No one is above the law - AND the higher up the more you should be an example. 5 years in the pokey for each count. I rest my case. 

I've had enough of people in power not leading by example - so let's make them an example. 

You and all of us could also take the view that it is not a shameful day for America. Rather it is a day that shows the strength of the system in its ability to hold such a person accountable. It is a shameful day for Trump but a proud day for the nation.

[gowlerk 2,246]

4 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Sounds good to me:  actor George Takei . . , “We should start referring to him as 34 instead of 45.”

Hollywood stars celebrate Trump guilty verdict in New York hush money trial: 'Tears of joy' (thehill.com)

Jerry Baumchen

Except that those are merely the first 34 of many convictions likely to follow. He could easily become 45 again.

[headoverheels 333]

3 hours ago, BIGUN said:

I can tell you this, Ken 34 Felony convictions - if it were you and I - would we be looking at the slap on the wrist you presented? No one is above the law - AND the higher up the more you should be an example. 5 years in the pokey for each count. I rest my case. 

 

My understanding is that the sentencing guidelines for these crimes is from probation to 4 years.

[Phil1111 1,149]

3 hours ago, gowlerk said:

You and all of us could also take the view that it is not a shameful day for America. Rather it is a day that shows the strength of the system in its ability to hold such a person accountable. It is a shameful day for Trump but a proud day for the nation.

Agree, abit. Except for the fact that trump, FOX and many of his followers have freely chosen to view it as unjust, corrupt. Its not really over until the appeals court and the USSC uphold the verdict. i.e. Trump appointed judges.

trump will go into the republican convention with a staff of yes people. All parroting the idea that justice in America is corrupt. Its mostly not. But trump and many in the republican party will further use this verdict to destroy the trust in government that its people should have.

IMO its kind of like a sour candy.

A second factor is the increased danger to peace that this verdict will bring. trump will only double down. As will many of his followers.

Edited May 31, 2024 by Phil1111

[jakee 1,558]

7 hours ago, BIGUN said:

I can tell you this, Ken 34 Felony convictions - if it were you and I - would we be looking at the slap on the wrist you presented? No one is above the law - AND the higher up the more you should be an example. 5 years in the pokey for each count. I rest my case. 

I've had enough of people in power not leading by example - so let's make them an example. 

But voting against him, that’s where you draw the line?

You’d rather imitate Trump and invent vile lies about Biden in the hope of aiding a Trump win. You’d rather see Trump run the country via video link from prison than vote for a Democrat. Why?

[jakee 1,558]

8 hours ago, BIGUN said:

I have to disagree, Jerry. That only extends the division - It is a shameful day for all Americans - not matter what your affiliation.

And it’s every level of leadership of your party that is doing that dividing. So why are they your party?

[kallend 2,105]

What a difference 50 years makes.

In 1974 Republicans did not defend the cancer in their party.  They cut it out.

Edited May 31, 2024 by kallend

[gowlerk 2,246]

35 minutes ago, kallend said:

What a difference 50 years makes.

In 1974 Reoublicans did not defend the cancer in their party.  They cut it out.

There was no right wing media and no social media then. But the nation was seriously divided nonetheless.

[Stumpy 284]

Could Biden pardon him? Or does that not apply for state level convictions?

Would be pretty funny to see the rage generated if Biden got all magnanimous about it, or pardoned him for all counts but one - still a felon, just a minor one.

[kallend 2,105]

  kallend said:

What a difference 50 years makes.

In 1974 Republicans did not defend the cancer in their party.  They cut it out.

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

There was no right wing media and no social media then. But the nation was seriously divided nonetheless.

 

But relatively cancer free they came back stronger than ever in 1980.  Trumpism is eating the heart out of today's GOP.

 

[ryoder 1,590]

38 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

Could Biden pardon him? Or does that not apply for state level convictions?

Would be pretty funny to see the rage generated if Biden got all magnanimous about it, or pardoned him for all counts but one - still a felon, just a minor one.

It was NY state convictions; Biden has no authority.

But  WHY the hell even suggest it? It was just as dumb when Ford pardoned Nixon. Nixon went to his grave without ever acknowledging he did anything wrong.

Pardons by POTUS, (or governors), need to be abolished. It undermines the justice system; It enables corrupt politicians to buy the cooperation of other criminals to help them. It also enables them to sell pardons. Just look at the list of Trump pardons:

Wikipedia: List of people granted executive clemency by Donald Trump

Funny how Trump was recently calling for the death penalty for drug dealers, when you look at how many are on that list.

 

Edited May 31, 2024 by ryoder

[kallend 2,105]

13 hours ago, BIGUN said:

I have to disagree, Jerry. That only extends the division - It is a shameful day for all Americans - not matter what your affiliation.

I think it's a wonderful day for Americans who believe in the rule of law, and see that the law eventually catches up even with the the country's most powerful con-man.

This may be his first criminal conviction, but he has been found guilty (by courts, with all due process) of a bunch of civil infractions (E. Jean C., Trump U, Trump Foundation, Trump Organization).  And not one (of many) courts has found his lying claims of the stolen 2020 election to have any foundation.

[Stumpy 284]

9 minutes ago, ryoder said:

But  WHY the hell even suggest it?

only because I think it would be interesting to see how mad it made trump, and that I don't know how having the president in a prison would even work.

[JoeWeber 2,810]

3 hours ago, kallend said:

What a difference 50 years makes.

In 1974 Republicans did not defend the cancer in their party.  They cut it out.

Could be that identifying as a Republican meant something different then.

[Phil1111 1,149]

2 hours ago, ryoder said:

It was NY state convictions; Biden has no authority.

But  WHY the hell even suggest it? It was just as dumb when Ford pardoned Nixon. Nixon went to his grave without ever acknowledging he did anything wrong.

Pardons by POTUS, (or governors), need to be abolished. It undermines the justice system; It enables corrupt politicians to buy the cooperation of other criminals to help them. It also enables them to sell pardons. Just look at the list of Trump pardons:

Wikipedia: List of people granted executive clemency by Donald Trump

Funny how Trump was recently calling for the death penalty for drug dealers, when you look at how many are on that list.

 

Normally I would edit out the paragraphs and words of little significance. But in this case you totally nailed it and I agree with everything.

[jakee 1,558]

16 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

The case against Trump was clearly super solid if you followed it. There was not a scintilla of doubt that he committed election fraud. So instead of indulging in wishful thinking, just take a look at what your political party has become. Mike Johnson is emblematic of the self serving corruption and rot in the Republican party as are the congressional toady's who lined up dutifully to claim Biden did it and that it's a travesty of justice. Republicans all. 

I'm not 100% on the legal details, but my understanding is that the question of whether the actions were motivated by election fraud is the only somewhat questionable aspect of the case. If he'd have paid her off and hidden it regardless of politics, the business records issue would only be a misdemeanor. That's partly why the Trump/defence strategy of denying any of it ever happened was so bizarre. Arguing that he never even slept with her wasn't just non-credible, it was completely irrelevant to the case. They threw away any trust the jury might have had in them for nothing.

Anyway, that all plays into just how irredeemably despicable Mike Johnson is. If the bible tells you all you need to know about Mike Johnson's position on any issue, where exactly does it talk about turning up to court to cheerlead for a guy caught secretly paying off the porstar he fucked behind his wife's back? I'll never understand these people. I do believe that Mike Johnson thinks he is a committed Christian - hopefully one day he'll have to come to terms with the fact that he prostituted his faith and morality to serve a man who represents everything Jesus would have hated.

[JerryBaumchen 1,424]

6 hours ago, kallend said:

What a difference 50 years makes.

In 1974 Republicans did not defend the cancer in their party.  They cut it out.

Hi John,

In 1974, I was a member of the GOP.  Today, I am no longer a member of the GOP.

Jerry Baumchen