White privilege example for this week

[billvon 2,990]

1 minute ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Bill,

Re:  'Watch a child meet another child of a different race for the first time - they will stare at them, go silent, perhaps even try to touch their hair or face'

'Same thing if they have a birthmark, or are missing a limb or something'

I would argue that this is not racism.  This is a reaction to 'something' different.

 

I agree - but that reaction is the basis of racism (and xenophobia, and prejudice against the disabled etc.)  We all do it.  It's how we deal with that innate judgment that makes us a racist (or not.)

[gowlerk 2,190]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

We are most comfortable with people like us.  If they are foreigners that manifests as xenophobia; if they are a different race we call it racism. 

Yes, this is why I never have a hard time crossing from Manitoba into North Dakota. The people charged with guarding America's frontier are taught to be suspicious and to do their best to protect the nation. They do this primarily through ensuring the correct documentation is present. But the secondary methods involve very subjective judgements. I roll up to the window as a 63 year old white man with no discernable accent. And my hair is usually cut short enough that I look military. I always wear my Canadian Legion marked mask at the border. These people mostly have military backgrounds. They make small talk with me as I get processed. Only if I have a cargo that is radioactive (potash) do I get any more attention than that. And that only involves driving through a scanning machine. And that is my white privilege story.

Edited February 4, 2021 by gowlerk

[kallend 2,026]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

What about Asian privilege?  The earnings from their privilege gets them 117% as much as their white male counterparts and 106% of their white female counterparts.

Are they earning more on account of a preference given them simply due to their race? 

Or is there some other attribute responsible?

We KNOW that white males do not need to show any advantage in talent, education, IQ, or any other measurable attribute other than gender to earn more than white females (for example)

 

[brenthutch 444]

35 minutes ago, kallend said:

Are they earning more on account of a preference given them simply due to their race? 

Or is there some other attribute responsible?

We KNOW that white males do not need to show any advantage in talent, education, IQ, or any other measurable attribute other than gender to earn more than white females (for example)

 

Your comment indicates you are in need of a clue

https://fee.org/articles/harvard-study-gender-pay-gap-explained-entirely-by-work-choices-of-men-and-women/

Edited February 4, 2021 by brenthutch

[jakee 1,489]

7 hours ago, BIGUN said:

That's not about white privilege. That's about a racist judge who's behind schedule for a good arse kicking.  

You have just described one major component of what white privilege is. A white racist judge who has not been arse kicked, removed or otherwise sanctioned is someone who white defendants will be privileged to stand in front of. 

So unless you either believe he is the only white racist judge around, or that there are just as many black racist judges as white racist judges (both absurdly unlikely) then yes, this is also about white privilege in general. How could you possibly say otherwise?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

29 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Your comment indicates you are in need of a clue

https://fee.org/articles/harvard-study-gender-pay-gap-explained-entirely-by-work-choices-of-men-and-women/

You indeed need a clue. The wage gap is indeed in parts due to the fact that women more often than men have responsibilities at home. Hence, they cannot take over-time shifts and extra work, because they have a child at home that needs caring for. Or an elderly parent that needs caring for. That leads to a lower earning potential. It also leads to lower promotion potential, which leads to lower earning potential.

Do you have children? Did you share the time requirements in raising children evenly?

[jakee 1,489]

32 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Your comment indicates you are in need of a clue

https://fee.org/articles/harvard-study-gender-pay-gap-explained-entirely-by-work-choices-of-men-and-women/

One job. They looked at One. Job. 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

42 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Your comment indicates you are in need of a clue

https://fee.org/articles/harvard-study-gender-pay-gap-explained-entirely-by-work-choices-of-men-and-women/

For fucks sake Brent, are you drunk posting on several blogs at once or do you assume we all have Asian wives?

[billvon 2,990]

15 minutes ago, jakee said:

One job. They looked at One. Job. 

Well, if they looked at more than one job, they might have failed at defending their privledge!  And no one wants to be a failure.

[Phil1111 1,149]

Just more cherry picking by Brent. This study references the(same) single business study that Brent is aft to paint as fact. Then it goes beyond that to factor multi-geographic and multi-industry studies.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

29 minutes ago, jakee said:

One job. They looked at One. Job. 

Yes, which to some degree makes sense. Unionized job so rates are pre-determined. Still shows women making less than men. Why, well men take on more over-time than women. Fathers generally preferred overtime and extra shifts, mothers generally preferred time off.

This all shows one of the reasons why women make less than men: women more often than men have obligations at home.

[BIGUN 1,307]

41 minutes ago, jakee said:

You have just described one major component of what white privilege is. A white racist judge who has not been arse kicked, removed or otherwise sanctioned is someone who white defendants will be privileged to stand in front of. 

So unless you either believe he is the only white racist judge around, or that there are just as many black racist judges as white racist judges (both absurdly unlikely) then yes, this is also about white privilege in general. How could you possibly say otherwise?

 Oh Dear God, Here We Go . . . 

[jakee 1,489]

6 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

 Oh Dear God, Here We Go . . . 

Do go on.

[BIGUN 1,307]

12 minutes ago, jakee said:

Do go on.

Why, yes. Yes you do.  

[jakee 1,489]

Just now, BIGUN said:

Why, yes. Yes you do.  

It's nice to see you're keeping up your solid track record of backing up your arguments with substance.

You must be so proud of yourself.

[airdvr 210]

22 hours ago, brenthutch said:

 

You'd have to be crazy to touch this thread with a 10 foot pole.

[brenthutch 444]

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Do you have children? Did you share the time requirements in raising children evenly?

Not even close, my wife is a pharmaceutical executive, I get the kids up, fed and off to school, then it is on to laundry, cleaning, shopping and cooking dinner and checking homework.  So not evenly.

 

Edited February 5, 2021 by brenthutch

[JoeWeber 2,720]

8 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

No even close, my wife is a pharmaceutical executive, I get the kids up, fed and off to school, then it is on to laundry, cleaning, shopping and cooking dinner and checking homework.  So not evenly.

 

Anything interesting going on in the soaps these days?

[brenthutch 444]

1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

Yes, which to some degree makes sense. Unionized job so rates are pre-determined. Still shows women making less than men. Why, well men take on more over-time than women. Fathers generally preferred overtime and extra shifts, mothers generally preferred time off.

This all shows one of the reasons why women make less than men: women more often than men have obligations at home.

“The gap can be explained entirely by the fact that, while having the same choice sets in the workplace, women and men make different choices.”

This is born out in multiple studies and is sometimes referred to as the “gender equality paradox”

[gowlerk 2,190]

16 minutes ago, airdvr said:

You'd have to be crazy to touch this thread with a 10 foot pole.

Just give an example of white privilege in your own life.

[brenthutch 444]

1 minute ago, JoeWeber said:

Anything interesting going on in the soaps these days?

I just watch Speakers Corner on the DZ.com channel 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, brenthutch said:

I just watch Speakers Corner on the DZ.com channel 

Shitty end for someone who stood on the wall in Lithuania protecting my right to be a dude. Hang in there, buddy.

[brenthutch 444]

2 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Just give an example of white privilege in your own life.

There was that time I cracked a joke in formation during Airborne school and my Hispanic First Sergeant made me scrub the bottom two feet of the entire barracks with a toilet brush.

[sfzombie13 324]

4 hours ago, billvon said:

I agree - but that reaction is the basis of racism (and xenophobia, and prejudice against the disabled etc.)  We all do it.  It's how we deal with that innate judgment that makes us a racist (or not.)

you can think whatever you like, but it's not.  i have some material somewhere i was using for another article that showed how racism was invented by european colonialists in the 15th century.  up until that time, folks separated by area, country, or clan.  n mention of race ever came into play, but religion came to just before that.  it may take a bit to find it, but you should be able to find something if i don't get it quickly. 

[gowlerk 2,190]

1 minute ago, brenthutch said:

There was that time I cracked a joke in formation during Airborne school and my Hispanic First Sergeant made me scrub the bottom two feet of the entire barracks with a toilet brush.

See? A black man may have been given 3 feet to scrub.