Jumpluver 0 #1 May 21, 2006 I debated whether to share my experience, wondering if it would add value, but I guess if it could help anyone, especially low jumpers like myself, then it's a good thing. There are quite a few things I did wrong, but I'm glad I am able to be here to share it, so I won't hide it. The scenario: winds gusty to 25 mph early - I decided to wait until they died down. Checked the winds right before I went up, and they were only gusting up to 15 mph - awesome. Normal canopy opening and descent - set up for final. At approx 300 ft, was being blown backward. Decided on alternate landing field and did 180 to go downwind a bit to get to the "smoother" looking part of the alternate landing field. Prepared for final on alternate - was being blown backwards again, this time over obstacles (pallets of mulch on concrete) and much lower AGL. Keep on descending, of course, and realize that I am not going to be able to clear the obstacles, I am descending right over them, still going backwards, and if I don't do something, I'm going to hit them. At approx 50 ft, decide to turn (less than 180, but more than 90 degrees) to take the downwind landing instead of hitting an obstacle while going backwards, because there was still another grassy area behind the obstacles. Did a decent enough PLF and ended up with a bruised knee. I am VERY lucky. Contributing factors: 1. I do not jump often enough 2. I thought my wing loading was 1.0. I discovered today that it is .86. I have lost weight and did not consider how it impacted my wing loading (current weight with gear, 130, on a 150 canopy). 3. I usually watch one load land and check where people are starting their final before I jump. I did not pay attention to that yesterday, and ended up starting my final way too far from where I should have. Personal lessons learned: 1. I need to jump more. From now on, I will, no matter what. I will not let other factors deter me, because this is important. 2. I need to focus on landing emergencies just as much as a I focus on canopy malfunctions. From now on, I will. 3. I practice flat turns while under canopy, but I did not do a flat turn when the emergency situation arose. I believe for me, that has to come from doing the "what if" scenarios in my head and physically going through the motions of an emergency flat turn. Practicing a nice leisurely flat turn at 2000 ft is very different from making a split second decision when very low. From now on, I will practice emergency flat turns while above 1000 ft. 4. My wing loading is low, but that is okay. I am not ready to downsize, but I DO need to keep it under consideration and factor it in my decision making. Before when I was loaded at 1.0, I did not have problems of being blown backwards unless the winds were gusting well over 15 mph, and never had I been blown so far as I was yesterday. If I had been jumping more, I would be more familiar with how my canopy handles. From now on, I am jumping with weights. Should I have made the low turn? Yes, I believe for me that was the better option in this particular situation. If not for the obstacles, I would have taken the backward landing. But I still feel that I just got lucky. Honestly, I think it could have gone either way - I could have hit the obstacles and got really hurt or killed, or I could have taken the low turn and got really hurt or killed. So I hope this helps someone think and plan for a similar situation. Don't just think about what you'll do if you're blown back a few feet, but hundreds of feet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #2 May 21, 2006 Glad you survived. see High Wind Landing Approaches Get-Home-itis High Wind Landings: Winds Greater than 15 MPH .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #3 May 22, 2006 Quote I did not do a flat turn when the emergency situation arose.QuoteBut I still feel that I just got lucky. You did two 180 degree and one 90+ degree turns under 300'. I'm happy that you survived relatively unhurt. Damn right you got lucky, turning low to avoid obstacles is a killer. Practice flat turns until they become an instinct.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #4 May 22, 2006 1. Thank goodness for a low wing loading. That helped save your butt. 2. I would rather land on concrete in control than land downwind, especially if you have a strong wind and light wingloading. I know you weren't donwwind, but "more than 90 degrees." 3. In a strong wind, a very small turn will slide you across the ground a long ways. I don't know what the layout of the obstacles were, but sometimes it doesn't take much to miss them, then turn back into the wind. 4. Nice job on the PLF. That keeps a lot of folks out of the hospital. 5. It'd would be okay to land on the pallets, facing into the wind, doing a flare and a good PLF. With those kinds of winds, you could impact very softly. Don't change your wing loading, IMHO. Nothing wrong with a few extra square feet over your head. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GravityGirl 0 #5 May 22, 2006 I jump and instruct at a high wind drop zone. The three major points I like to drill for high winds: 1. Don't put your back to the wind under 500 feet. Instead crab your downwind leg. Position yourself into the wind on final upwind of your target. You can always ease back with a slight crabbing technique. 2. Keep the area behind you clear. You can always use the wind to go back to a clean landing area. But again. NEVER put your back to the wind. Ease back with a crab. 3. Stop. Drop. Reel. As soon as you touch down. Drop a toggle and reel the other in hand over hand quickly while running behind your canopy. Again. I can't emphisize enough to not put your back to the wind. You are moving across the ground so fast, that by the time you think about turning you are past the point you want to turn and on top of that, during the turn you are still getting pushed further downwind. So always keep it clear behind you. And don't put your back to the wind. Things just happen too fast and make it difficult to make good decisions. Good job not getting broken. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skr 1 #6 May 24, 2006 Well you got caught by lack of experience, and you now have a jump story's worth of experience, and you're thinking about how it happened and learning from it, so I'd say you're on the right track. And Bonnie's advice is good. In the old days of rounds backing in from opening to landing was common and people got good at it, but with squares you don't get to practice this very much. Next time try to think further ahead up high, looking over your shoulders, and use the crabbing-going-backward technique Bonnie mentioned to head for an open area. Skr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
GravityGirl 0 #5 May 22, 2006 I jump and instruct at a high wind drop zone. The three major points I like to drill for high winds: 1. Don't put your back to the wind under 500 feet. Instead crab your downwind leg. Position yourself into the wind on final upwind of your target. You can always ease back with a slight crabbing technique. 2. Keep the area behind you clear. You can always use the wind to go back to a clean landing area. But again. NEVER put your back to the wind. Ease back with a crab. 3. Stop. Drop. Reel. As soon as you touch down. Drop a toggle and reel the other in hand over hand quickly while running behind your canopy. Again. I can't emphisize enough to not put your back to the wind. You are moving across the ground so fast, that by the time you think about turning you are past the point you want to turn and on top of that, during the turn you are still getting pushed further downwind. So always keep it clear behind you. And don't put your back to the wind. Things just happen too fast and make it difficult to make good decisions. Good job not getting broken. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skr 1 #6 May 24, 2006 Well you got caught by lack of experience, and you now have a jump story's worth of experience, and you're thinking about how it happened and learning from it, so I'd say you're on the right track. And Bonnie's advice is good. In the old days of rounds backing in from opening to landing was common and people got good at it, but with squares you don't get to practice this very much. Next time try to think further ahead up high, looking over your shoulders, and use the crabbing-going-backward technique Bonnie mentioned to head for an open area. Skr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites