House blocks deportation of US military veterans

[billvon 2,991]

Hopefully this will be something both parties can get behind.  A bill in the House of Representatives will block deportation of US military veterans until their cases are reviewed.

https://republicamericas.com/politics/were-willing-to-put-their-lives-on-the-line-house-bill-blocks-deportation-of-military-veterans/

[ryoder 1,590]

It is asinine that the US confers citizenship on anyone who just happens to be born here, but not someone who actually volunteered to serve in the military.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

8 minutes ago, ryoder said:

It is asinine that the US confers citizenship on anyone who just happens to be born here, but not someone who actually volunteered to serve in the military.

Hi Robert,

Absolutely.  I'm a veteran and they took the same oath that I did.

Back when I was in, a hitch in the military got you citizenship.*  It should be that way today.

Jerry Baumchen

* Unless the got a BCD or something worse.

 

[Phil1111 1,149]

32 minutes ago, ryoder said:

It is asinine that the US confers citizenship on anyone who just happens to be born here, but not someone who actually volunteered to serve in the military.

Lets not forget its Capt'n bone spurs that set these wheels in motion. Of course that was after Melania got her“Einstein visa,” .

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Lets not forget its Capt'n bone spurs that set these wheels in motion. Of course that was after Melania got her“Einstein visa,” .

And then used chain migration to bring her family into the country. Let's be very clear, the issue the GOP has with migration really only relates to non-white people coming into the country.

Using people for the military, breaking them and then deporting them cause they are broken comes across as very American.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

And then used chain migration to bring her family into the country. Let's be very clear, the issue the GOP has with migration really only relates to non-white people coming into the country.

Using people for the military, breaking them and then deporting them cause they are broken comes across as very American.

Hi Sky,

Re:  Using people for the military, breaking them and then deporting them cause they are broken comes across as very American.

We are not all like that.  And, it does seem as though the Biden Admin is not either.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,720]

2 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Sky,

Re:  Using people for the military, breaking them and then deporting them cause they are broken comes across as very American.

We are not all like that.  And, it does seem as though the Biden Admin is not either.

Jerry Baumchen

You need to give him a little slack Jerry. His perspective is just a bit skewed from believing that in Canada the immigrants won.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

13 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Sky,

Re:  Using people for the military, breaking them and then deporting them cause they are broken comes across as very American.

We are not all like that.  And, it does seem as though the Biden Admin is not either.

Jerry Baumchen

Hi Jerry,

While it's true that not all of us are like that, the last 12 years sure showed that a LOT of 'us' are.

And the anti-immigrant attitude is something that "Americans" have had for a long, long time.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

15 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Sky,

Re:  Using people for the military, breaking them and then deporting them cause they are broken comes across as very American.

We are not all like that.  And, it does seem as though the Biden Admin is not either.

Jerry Baumchen

I know. But in general the American Way includes a belief that government is not there to help society and that for individuals everything is "buyer beware". It also includes a belief that being born in the US makes one more entitled than anybody not born in the US. The military example is classic behaviour of such. Now the comment is generally "well they knew what they are getting into".

[SkyDekker 1,465]

13 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

You need to give him a little slack Jerry. His perspective is just a bit skewed from believing that in Canada the immigrants won.

In the US the immigrants won too. I know you won't take my word for it, since in true American fashion you believe yourself far superior. But, just ask any member of First Nations.

[BIGUN 1,314]

31 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

US makes one more entitled than anybody not born in the US.

Up until they go through the process to become an American Citizen.

 

31 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

The military example is classic behaviour of such. Now the comment is generally "well they knew what they are getting into".

Incorrect. Every veteran I know will say, "They fought for this country - immediate path to citizenship." IMO: Issue the citizenship card with the DD-214.

Edited March 9, 2021 by BIGUN
Grammar

[Phil1111 1,149]

15 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Sky,

Re:  Using people for the military, breaking them and then deporting them cause they are broken comes across as very American.

We are not all like that.  And, it does seem as though the Biden Admin is not either.

Jerry Baumchen

Agree setting aside trump, the facts are:

"By a wide margin, the U.S. has more immigrants than any other country in the world. As of 2015, the United Nations estimates that 46.6 million people living in the United States were not born there. This means that about one-in-five international migrants (19%) live in the U.S. The U.S. immigrant population is nearly four times that of the world’s next largest immigrant destination – Germany, with about 12 million immigrants.

Compared with other countries receiving immigrants, the share of the U.S. population that is foreign born is modest. About one-in-seven people living in the United States (14%) were born in other countries, a near-historic record. By way of comparison, about one-in-five people in Canada (22%) are foreign born. In Australia, it’s nearly three-in-ten people (28%)

The U.S. immigrant population is not as diverse in origin as those of other countries.The U.S. has a score of 91 on a 1-to-100 diversity index. By comparison, Denmark and the UK have some of the highest immigrant diversity scores (both 97), followed by Canada at 96. Roughly one-in-four (26%) immigrants in the U.S. come from just one country, Mexico."

Edited March 9, 2021 by Phil1111

[sfzombie13 324]

unless you happened to be in one of the various immigrant groups discriminated against over the past two centuries or so.  chinese, japanese, italians, irish, etc, etc. all were 2d class citizens for a while.  until the next group came in, in some cases anyway.  the good old days were not very good, memories fade and make it seem better than it ever really was.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

54 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Up until they go through the process to become an American Citizen.

 

Incorrect. Every veteran I know will say, "They fought for this country - immediate path to citizenship." IMO: Issue the citizenship card with the DD-214.

Hi Keith,

Re:  Issue the citizenship card with the DD-214.

Absolutely!!!!!!

Jerry Baumchen 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

Incorrect. Every veteran I know will say, "They fought for this country - immediate path to citizenship." IMO: Issue the citizenship card with the DD-214.

They may say it. However that is not the law. And from the stories the military certainly didn't make it very clear to permanent residents enlisting. So maybe veterans say it now, but they evidently weren't very clear about it when they were active duty.

That also doesn't touch on the wider problem. How many veterans have mental disorders related to their time in the military. Many of those are not effectively being dealt with. The military has a long history of denying that active duty and veterans could be mentally affected by their time in service. For non-American veterans the effects of these mental disorders and lack of support can lead to deportation.

Those deportation orders were very actively being enforced by LEO, specially under Trump. LEO is very heavily employed by veterans.

 

[BIGUN 1,314]

3 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

They may say it. However that is not the law. So maybe veterans say it now, but they evidently weren't very clear about it when they were active duty.

Incorrect again. 

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/us-citizenship-rights-military-personnel-veterans-46711.html#:~:text=Immediate Right to Apply for,you get your green card.

 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

13 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Incorrect again. 

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/us-citizenship-rights-military-personnel-veterans-46711.html#:~:text=Immediate Right to Apply for,you get your green card.

 

So the hundreds of deported veterans didn't become American citizens why?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

7 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

So the hundreds of deported veterans didn't become American citizens why?

Because those veterans can apply for citizenship as soon as they get a green card.
They don't become citizens at that point. 

So overzealous "America First" types can still hunt them down and find an excuse to kick them out of the country.

 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 minute ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Because those veterans can apply for citizenship as soon as they get a green card.
They don't become citizens at that point. 

So overzealous "America First" types can still hunt them down and find an excuse to kick them out of the country.

 

Bigun's argument is that the military and all its members made it very clear to non-American members how this process worked. So I am asking him why he thinks these veterans didn't become American citizens. Many of the deported veterans state it wasn't that clear.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

28 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

So the hundreds of deported veterans didn't become American citizens why?

So you could be an internet honor student here on Dropzone.com and hone your debating skills?

[sfzombie13 324]

13 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Bigun's argument is that the military and all its members made it very clear to non-American members how this process worked. So I am asking him why he thinks these veterans didn't become American citizens. Many of the deported veterans state it wasn't that clear.

you're either trolling now or sorely uninformed on the us military.  i assume the first, but have been wrong, so here you go.  the military isn't one big unit or group.  it is many smaller groups.  not all groups have the same commanders or members.  some groups do things a little differently than others.  just because someone didn't tell those "many" vets exactly what they needed to do does not mean that the process was not available to them.  in fact, thanx to the link provided, i found out that all of the deported ones can apply for a green card and get it if they are eligible and have the fee waived, no matter where they are.  so it is a non issue, or if it is, is an easily remedied issue, even now.

[BIGUN 1,314]

16 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Bigun's argument is that the military and all its members made it very clear to non-American members how this process worked.

I never said it was very clear or the process had been communicated well. I was refuting your argument that no law exists. It would help if the media did a PSA of informing instead of thrashing the same - doesn't exist message. I sit on several veterans committees and, 1) many of us just learned of this ourselves not long ago and it angered us, and 2) we're working with the VA, DoD and DHS to get the message out in a formal process. For DoD to have formal classes during orientation, for DHS to triple-check before deporting veterans, and for the VA to help ensure the process is completed.  

[billvon 2,991]

18 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

So you could be an internet honor student here on Dropzone.com and hone your debating skills?

Well, it is good preparation.  Facebook doctors need a good basic education before they get their fMD..

[JoeWeber 2,720]

1 minute ago, billvon said:

Well, it is good preparation.  Facebook doctors need a good basic education before they get their fMD..

Now that is funny!

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

I was refuting your argument that no law exists.

That's not what I was saying. There is a law that gives them a path. But it isn't necessarily a clear path nor obviously well documented or facilitated during military service. Lots of stories from deported veterans about that. Your argument was that all veterans are in favour of immediate path to citizenship for those who have served. However, there is clearly no immediate path, which is what my comment about it not being the law was about..